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Omg that's sick o_O

I have always been a geek. But for all the wrong reasons :(

People can't realized they were wrong and change?

Modern women have no conscious

Thanks.

I'll buy for kids to play with this. Its good for consumers.

Now that last bit is a real shame!

This book is an absolute piece of wankery; a piece of shit. Remember that other piece of garbage from 20 years ago, *14,000 Things to Be Happy About*? This piece of junk is not as good as that. I can't believe that lazy excretions like this get published.

Fuck these stupid cocksuckers. Fuck freewebs, fuck SGN. You'll never get any of my business and I'll actively go out of my way to hurt you.

I'll wager it was a hardware fault. I see a 5-10% failure rate in new systems that we purchase, regardless of vendor, within the first month or two of service. Usually either glitched RAM or bad motherboards. Get a few drives that die within the first 6 months too. That goes for desktops and servers both.

The reliability of PC hardware hasn't exactly been improving these last few years.

I wonder why they weren't running Red Flag Linux, or whatever the Chinese are supposed to have..

Yeah, the install-time was a weak argument that Lin-nuts tromp out all the time. Meanwhile here's my 3 year old XP box and it's only just starting to look a bit crusty. Damn me but I might have to reinstall in 2009.

As to the comment below about it taking 7 years to get XP right. Durrr? Damn me, I guess I should not have adopted it after SP1. I didn't realize how unusable it was. Why did I wait for SP1? Because I had a perfectly fine win2k install that I didn't feel like blowing away until I actually needed a feature in XP (and that was the shadow copy service that makes backups so much nicer to run).

Damn me, I guess that makes me another Windows Fanboy(tm). Didn't know I was a fan of anything, but I guess if sitting down at a PC and using it without a care in the world makes me a fanboy, then I guess I'm guilty.

Yep, old hand at ghost and acronis (and yes, I do know that Acronis is Linux-based. So what? it's not a desktop OS is it now). I update my images maybe once a year, mainly because of changes to third party apps. Rolling new patches into the image is secondary. nLite is nice, and vLite is also nice. I use nLite mainly to make an unattended install image and to lock-down/remove things I don't want the kiddies getting into. Group Policy applied through Active Directory does the rest seamlessly.

Oh, and this wonderful Firefox browser? Guess what? I'm going to have to axe it this fall because there does not seem to be a workable way to lock down the proxy settings. I've used the front motion edition, and the firefox.adm GPO template, and it just does not effing work. So we're back to IE, which I can bend to my will completely via group policy.

And now for users. Seems to me when I create a new user through the Users And Groups applet, it sets them up in the "users" group and NOT the Administrators group. Imagine that?
Of course we don't set up users that way with AD.

No OS is ready right out of the box. ALL of them need to be tuned for the environment they run in. The argument of who bundles the most crapware is spurious at best. On Windows PCs it's called "bloat" and on Linux distros it's called we-have-more-stuff-on-our-CD-nyaa-nyaaa.

Microsoft is selling an Operating System. You know: that thing that sits between your I/O devices and your hardware upon which applications run? They aren't marketing Windows as your One Stop Put In A Disk PC Nirvana Onna Bun. I would rather have that then an OS that installs 3 different word processors, 5 different text editors, etc, by default and claim it's convenience. It's nothing but bloat.

I turn off the update notifier in most of the Linux installs I do because I'm sick of it telling me that there are updates for 200 odd languages I do not speak. Windows update provides a mechanism where at least I can tell it to never again show certain updates, whether it's at the website or through automatic updates.

As for RDP. I use RDP and VNC both. Visual quality of VNC sucks mightily, as does the response time. RDP is the superior experience. When I remote into a system I *don't* want the user interacting with it. If I do, then I suffer to use VNC.

Sorry for the rant. I'm just sick of these stupid comparisons. With Windows we have a mature and stable system. Vista got problems? OMG then stay with XP for a few years until you're satisfied! It's not like one new OS instantly obsoletes the old one. We used Win2k until '95 or so just because it did what was needed of it. We still have the odd 98 client around. Linux = moving target. You're always in the Early Adopter camp with desktop Linux, beta testing someone elses latest attempt at "teh awesome"
Comparing one with the other is a stretch at best on home desktops, but in a multiuser client/server network what exactly can you possibly compare favorably with 2k2 server and Active Directory that isn't another proprietary solution like Novell?

And how do any of those nuggets pertain to the use of Linux as a desktop OS by Joe User who just wants to USE a PC and not make sweet love to its innards?

Desktop Linux is an inconsistent product at best, and that's about the best thing that anyone can say about it.

It's a fragmented agglomeration of competing paradigms, none of which have the strength to become dominant to the point that the platform can achieve any sort generic baseline outside of using the Linux kernel (multitudes of various point releases notwithstanding), and the uninspiring GNU rubbish.

And even if Linux actually evolved into a single entity (1 desktop distro). The applications would still suck :P

No: it's called "wit".

Although due to the high propaganda content and rehashing of the same tired old themes it's only half-assed wit, which therefore makes the author a half-wit.

Was just reading the distrowatch weekly, and this tiny little turd grabbed my attention. A comment made regarding Parsix, a distribution out of Iran and why no one in the west should have any worries about this.

"25 • Parsix (by William on 2008-08-04 17:14:30 GMT from United States)
In my opinion, FOSS is theologically and politically neutral. That is the core of open source."


And Microsoft, meanwhile, drives fossies into fits of paranoia because it is closed and proprietary and costs money. *sigh*

So you were ranting about software that you have never actually used?

Will the real LIS step forward please :P

It won't save my customizations of the desktop properly, munging them. Toolbars vanish, and the applets on them move around. Folderview windows get shoved half off the screen and display different folders. All after every reboot. I set up that desktop 4 times before giving up.

Which distribution are you using where the "It works for me" program actually works?

Mine's busted, and I don't want to recompile it.

Looks like a well thought out and researched argument.

Perhaps "The Bazaar" should have been called "The Sandbox" to more accurately portray what goes on in it.

Fast and furious development isn't necessarily a bad thing, but at some point it must hit the stage where you need that central authority to manage and steer a project for there to be any real hope of it maturing.
We see some of that in the relationship between Fedora and RHEL, save that Redhat isn't at all concerned with having/selling a full featured, mature and stable consumer desktop.

Another post, another tiresome idgit *yawn*

If you aren't going to bother quantifying your assertions, I could simply rebut with:

"I use yo momma and she loves it"

Or

"You wank your matter into retarded chimpanzees"

And we would be on the same level of intellectual discourse.

Tosser

It's more tough love, for the OS itself, than hate for it here.

And a lot of roasting of the foss community in general.

Yes, the "MS tax" annoys us too. We have a licensing agreement with MS for the division that covers our XP workstations and server CALs, and yet we cannot buy PCs from our short list of approved vendors sans OS.
Though on the flip side, should the agreement not be renewed for whatever reason, we won't be scrambling to get legal.

Like it or not, MS Windows on the PC platform is the standard, and nothing short of a meterorite impacting Redmond is going to change that, let alone wishful thinking.

"worshipers"

You obviously come from the other side of the fence where freedom of thought and opinion ist verboten and dogma reigns.
No blinkered fanboys here, chum. They don't last long.

Of course, calling Linux the best OS out there just shows your level of expertise in these matters. I don't care for the Apple business model and I do not like Mac hardware and I don't care for MacOS. But even I, in my limited exposure to OSX (administrating a few iMacs), have seen that it, without a doubt, is both easier to install and easier to use than the popular Linux distros out there, is far far more stable than all but the most pedestrian Gnome desktops, has a well integrated set of core applications, good vendor support, and overall has one of the best end user experiences out there for everyday users.
I can freely admit that, even though I personally don't like it.

Now go back to your drum circle with RMS and eat each others hair, you poor deluded person.

"And I know that you can say whatever you want here"

As opposed to at the pro-linux sites where even the smallest criticism gets you nailed to a cross.

Nice, isn't it? :)


If some piece of weird hardware doesn't work on Windows(XP) then it's also old-as-dirt hardware or shitty hardware made by a one shot wonder manufacturer who has been out of business for a good few years.

If it doesn't work under Vista, then it's on the fast track to becomming obsolete hardware and the vendor can't be bothered to support it any more (where's the profit in it?)

The driver debate is tiresome. Windows has a massive driver base in its own right, but the Microsoft model has always been to provide a basic platform for the hardware and let the hardware vendors deal with supporting their own product. The ONLY reason Linux has such decent built in hardware support is because if the community didn't provide those drivers NO ONE would (outside of the very few vendors that we all know). If hardware vendors were to actually want to support the OS then that would not be necessary - though of course the *nix crowd would spaz out at any closed source driver and continue to push their own crappy ones anyway.

Printing does work well, though all I have ever hooked up to are network Laserjets, and any OS that doesn't have fantastic support for Laserjets is a real lost cause. The problem is finding the One Decent Driver when you have to choose between 5 or 6 different ones. There usually is one good one amoung several crap ones. I had an old Laserjet IIIP once and the (decent) linux driver was amazing. The floyd-steinberg dithering option gave the 300DPI printer output that looked like it came from a 600DPI Laserjet 4.

Says Thom: "McCain did not say that the economy has been making progress for the last 8 years. Obama is a liar."

Says the New York Times: "When asked if he believed Americans were better off now than when President Bush took office, Mr. McCain conceded that people were facing “very challenging times.” But he went on to say, “You could make an argument that there’s been great progress economically over that period of time.”"

Who's the liar, ezzactly?

Pretty much echos my own path-to-nowhere with Linux.

I even imagined using it on the home server. But with Windows working so well for that I can't bring myself to trash a perfectly fine system that I don't even log into for months at a time just to have headaches with reconfiguring my file sharing, remote network backups (using robocopy ATM), and finding some decent tape backup software.

If it ain't broke...

Quite fortunate I had just put my root beer down before reading that, or my nice keyboard would be considerably less so right now. XD

I agree with your thoughts.

I wonder if Shuttleworth has the wherewithal to take a real leadership role and do what needs to be done?

If not, then I wonder how long it'll be before he pulls the plug on what will eventually languish and become another failed attempt to make a profitable commercial enterprise out of the Linux desktop (assuming he isn't a complete philanthropist who doesn't care to make a cent of his investment back).

Even if Ubuntu becomes dominant in the Linux world, it's still scrapping for crumbs in the PC desktop world as a whole. Winning in your own class is one thing. Challenging the world leader is going to take something more in the way of vision (and the ability to make it reality).