Disqus - Latest Comments for Truthseeker

Re: Church supports pastor charged with battery - ExChristian.Net - News and Opinion

Truthseeker — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:45:00 -0000

I'm still trying to figure this whole thing out, probably like everyone else. Truth be told, this pastor probably has no way of making a living other than whatever this small congregation can afford to pay him, so to ask him to step down sounds right, but when you're living for next week's paycheck to survive & all you know how to do is preach, how can he afford to stop? If the church could send him to some kind of intense counseling for a couple of weeks, perhaps that would be a good first step. Whether or not anyone likes it, Pastors are kind of like mini-celebrities, but they're also CEO's too. If this guy was a CEO of a small company, no one would ever have picked up on this story. If he was a celebrity, there'd be just as many people on both sides of the fence: supporters & rock-throwers (which is basically what we have here). The other thing that nobody seems to be asking is IF he's really guilty? It seems to me that IF he is proven to be guilty, then the church HAS TO remove him, but until then, why don't we hold-off on throwing our rocks?

Re: A righteous anger - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Truthseeker — Wed, 31 May 2006 12:01:00 -0000

Perhaps these are also some off the reasons yr pissed-off!

Consequences of blind faith
What has this dogmatism led to ?
· Burning of early Christian literature for not supporting trumped up dogma's. Original biblical (gnostic) texts which did not substantiate Christian sectarian viewpoints, have so thoroughly been destroyed in the early centuries after the death of Jesus that we have hardly any record left. Moreover the great library of Alexandria, said to have contained half a million volumes, was destroyed by Christian fanatics in 397 AD - one of the severest losses to history ever encountered.
· Persecution of the Jews, who are supposed to have been responsible for the alleged crucifixion of Christ leading up to the holocaust, following Paulinian accusations: ...the Jews, who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out, the Jews who are heedless of God's will and enemies of their fellow-men.... (1 Thessalonians 2:14-16). After the reign of emperor Constantine it was considered a crime for a Christian to marry a Jew.
· Persecution of homosexuals, mainly based on St. Paul's condemnation (although it has been speculated that he was a closet one himself. He never married, which was unusual at that time!). Homosexuals have been tortured, castrated and murdered throughout the ages, being condemned by God's supposed word. 'Homosexuals are filled with every kind of injustice, mischief, rapacity, and malice; they are one mass of envy, murder, rivalry, treachery, and malevolence .., etc. etc. (Romans 1:26-32).
Whereas homosexuals are believed to have contributed as no other sex to the advancement of civilisation percentagewise.
· Condoning of slavery on the basis of some biblical texts (Ephesians 6:5: Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling....)
In Leviticus 25:44 Yahweh recommends buying slaves.
· Subordination of women. (1 Corinthians 11:9 For neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.). But in fact until its 14th week all embryos are female. Only in a later stage the male characteritics develop.
· Persecution of heretics, supposed witches and other lamentable members of the community who did not support church dogmatism. Eric Hoffer: "true believers of various hues ....view each other with mortal hatred and are ready to fly at each other's throat...". Heretics were tortured and slaughtered like cattle. Burning at the stake was justified by Matthew 3:10: ...every tree that fails to produce good food is cut down and thrown on the fire.
In 415 AD Hypathia, one of the last scholars to work in the famous library of Alexandria, was seized by Christians who scraped with shells the flesh from his bones and burnt the spillings!
In 1553 the Spanish physician Michael Servetus, who discovered the circulation of blood, was burned at the stake, by order of Calvin, for not believing in the trinity (albeit nowhere mentioned in the gospels).
· Obstructing advancement of science and culture. Great men who made amazing discoveries in science and medicine which might have benefited mankind, were being persecuted and forbidden to make their findings known. Nature need not to be examined as all explanations could be found in the Bible. Inventions were often considered the work of the devil. Discoveries by Leonardo da Vinci remained unknown for centuries. The creativity and constructional skills in building the pyramids were not matched until the 18th century A.D.
Philosopher Bruno was burnt at the stake, Galilei escaped it by lying. The theory of evolution was rejected as it contradicted the book of Genesis. Fossils were argued away as being from satanical creatures from antedelluvian times.
Christianity has so held Western civilization in its grip from the Dark Ages onward, obstructing advancement of liberal thought.
· Teachings of other religions were suppressed. Buddhism, preaching compassion, was practically unknown till the nineteenth century. (See the Oriental Renaissance).
· Blocking development of understanding life based on latest insight and advances in science. In some universities in the Southern states of the USA the theory of evolution may still not be taught. Many of their students believe that the earth was created some six thousand years ago in spite of the huge body of evidence to the contrary.
· Imposing backward biblical notions on themes that could better human living conditions such as birth control and euthanasia. Not to speak of instilling fears for blood and natural bodily outlets as masturbation.
· Disrespect of living beings. Animals, are supposed to have been created to support men. They have been slaughtered as sacrifice to god Yahweh.
· Instilling a perpetual fear of an imminent end of the world. All gospels, epistles of St. Paul and specifically the Apocalypse herald the endtime and the Coming of Christ. This mistaken belief has cost the lives of countless Christians up to this day (Crusades, Jonestown, Heaven's Gate).
· Brainwashing its believers that salvation depends on accepting on faith its incredible myth.
· Belief in original sin instilling a traumatising fear in Christians from childhood onwards. This concept was thought up to account for almighty God making man's life a hell at times. But factually man pays a price for having been evolved from the animal kingdom to his present status. He is the one species capable of self-reflection. Endowed with creative powers and a vision of the Divine, his mind is yet incapable of grasping the why of it all.

Re: A very happy heathen - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Truthseeker — Thu, 01 Jun 2006 05:43:00 -0000

Hi Lisa,

Sometimes its good to know were all of this bullshit came from.I have been doing some intensive searches to get to some of the truth, so that when these brainwashed fools called chistains approach with their smug,know-it-all manner I like to shoot them down in flames.

· The spread of Chistianity· The Mithraic sun cult was still holding sway over Christians in Rome in the first three centuries AD. In fact emperor Constantine never abandoned sun worship and kept the sun on his coins. He retained the title of Pontifex Maximus, high priest of the heathen state religion. The pagan festival of the birthday of the sun: Sol Invictus, on December 25th at the winter stolstice, was adopted as the birthday of Jesus. The pagan custom was to cut green branches and hanging little lights on them. Our Christmas tree! At that occasion presents were given in the god's name. The ancient sign of life, the ankh, known for thousands of years, was transformed into the Christian cross; the figure of Isis nursing her child Horus, Isis Lactans, became the figure of Virgin Mary with Jesus at her breast .The weekly day devoted to Sol, Sunday, replaced the Jewish sabbath on Saturday.Existing devil-sacrifices were replaced by processions in a saint's honor, with an offering of oxen to the glory of God. · With the council of Nicea in 325 under emperor Constantine the Christian doctrine became crystalized. Gnostic and other deviant views were banned. Only the accepted canonical scriptures were tolerated, the other apocryphal works were destined to go into oblivion.Newly conceived ideas of 'church' (ecclesia), 'faith' and 'religio', religious practices, structural organization with various ecclestical levels were introduced to make it an institution which could be manipulated by whatever state accepted its practice to keep their people under control !!!!!!· After Constantine emperor Theodosus I made Christianity into a state religion in 392 AD. Pagan worship was banned thereafter and persecuted. Christians who did not agree with the Nicene Creed were forcefully converted or slaughtered. In 401 AD Mary was declared to be the Virgin Mother.· Around the year 500 another surge of expectation of the end of the world roused the emotions. It would not be the only instance in the centuries to follow.· From the fifth century onward traces of paganism were erased radically. Existing customs were converted into Christian practices: worship of saints and martyrs, instead of the ancient gods, pilgrimages to their tombs, incense burning, exorcisms and prophecies, became part of Christian life.· Alas, the new religion brought no peace. Armies still fought wars. There was hardly any social reform. The distinction between classes only grew. So did inequality in distribution of wealth.· The Church acquired more and more possessions and grew to a powerful institution. Religious intolerance was greater than ever before. · It also became the first Middle Eastern independent systematical religious organisation. Centuries later it served to be an appealing model in the formation of that other great religion: Islam.

Re: My descent into freethought - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Truthseeker — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 20:55:00 -0000

Great story and thank you for sharing. I have been working on my own "deconversion" for about 3 - 6 months now, but have only started to face reality for about 1 week. That basically means I told my wife and she told her brother (AOG minister) and Dad. I have not spoken to them. I won't tell the whole story, but you can read it on www.debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com under "A Former Assemblies of God Pastor Questions His Faith... ". It is on the main page right now, as it was posted fairly recently.

Anway, having been saved in the AOG and an ordained full-time minister for 9 years, I can relate to your story. I am still very early in the process, and am entirely on my own with it except for these blogs...kinda sad, huh?

I am familiar with Masters commission, as there is one at our church. I won't mention the name or location right now, but it it is one of the bigger ones. I am not overly familiar with their practices, but I do know it is an intense "discipleship" program. It is in some ways a replacement for bible college, and an answer to the criticism that bible college is just too much head knowledge and not practics. I don't know that I disagree with the concept, except that I believe they use a lot of "brainwashing" type techniques rather than solid biblical teaching. That always bothered me.

I feel for you, but personally am very glad you were able to put your minds to this and come out together on what you felt was right. You saved yourself a lot of heartache, and I congratulate you. I wish I was smarter and it didn't take me so long to figure it out.

In regards to your statement

“It's been 2 years and I have never been happier. I feel like I am a better person now. I am aware of the world around me. Instead of being heaven-bound now I'm planet conscience. I care more about the earth than I did before. I am a more honest person. I have nothing to hide or hide behind. Most of all I feel comfortable in my own skin and appreciate myself for who I am.”

Thank you so much for that! I am feeling incredibly guilty in that I actually feel a HUGE sense of happiness and release. Shouldn’t I be depressed? Shouldn’t I be in despair? (Truth is, I contemplated suicide very recently, and credit much of my fundamentalist teaching for helping bring me there). I’ve been “out” for about a week now, so I’m just a baby and really wondering how this will all play out. It’s great to hear you are still happy with your decision and life is going on. I am still struggling with “where do I go from here”? but I’m an impatient person so I’m sure it will come with time. Anyway, best wishes to you and thanks for your very encouraging story. Being former AOG, it really rang home for me.

Re: Mentally liberated, but socially imprisoned - Testimonies of Ex-Christians

Truthseeker — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 01:08:00 -0000

Ian,

Greetings. Thank you for your post. I am in a similar situation to yours. Perhaps I can lend a little help by telling you what DIDN'T work for me. Over the past 3 - 6 months I started having serious doubts about my faith. I won't go into the whole story but you can read it at this link: http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/2008/... line is I felt I could no longer hold this in. I was on the point of seriously contemplating a way to kill myself I was so miserable. Then I finally realized it was the agony of these doubts along with trying to make something work for 20+ years that never really did. I feel mentally liberated, and in so many ways I feel I have a new lease on life. I am happier than I've been in Many, Many years. I have not idea what the future holds, but am excited for all the possibilities. I had a fairly strong conversion experience, but my deconversion is stronger! I want to tell everyone I know who is bound by religion that they don't have to be. But, that probably would not go over real big.

So, I finally decided to break down and tell my wife. In my case, our relationship has not been great and has struggled for most of our marriage (almost 20 years). We have 4 kids age 9 - 17. They are the ones I am very worried about. Anyway, my wife did not take it well at all, but that was partly due to the factor of our marriage problems being in the mix. No, I didn't take the slow-easy-over time approach, I just could not. I did try to leave some materials around and links on my computer hoping my wife would catch on, but it took her quite awhile.

Anyway, she really lost it when I told her. I guess it was just too much. If we had a strong and open relationship, I think it would have gone much better. She immediately told her parents and brother (who is an ordained minister). I am on decent terms with them, but it's been a week now and have not heard from them at all. I believe they've drawn up sides, and I'm on the losing one... That kinds hurts, but not unexpected. I am very open and reasonable to explaine to my wife about my doubts, but it is just overwhelming to her. She just cannot comprehend it, so I've decided to shelve talking to her about it, and try to find others where I can help sort things out.

Anyway, I hope my story can help you in some way. I guess I'm saying if you can take a softer approach over time, that would probably be best. I just couldn't do it. Once I was free, I just can't see going back to the same church again. It just seems like such a terrible waste of time and energy. I wish I could go and put on a happy face for my wife and kids, but even that seems impossible for me right now.

Anyway, if you want to further converse via email, I'd love to chat some more. I've found just writing and putting things out there helps. I started keeping a journal of sorts to keep track of my thoughts / reasoning as well as to give me an outlet. It has been very helpful. I am only about 1 week into my deconversion. Have not told my kids yet.

Best wishes to you. <
Mark
markallanf@gmail.com">BR/>
Mark
markallanf@gmail.com

Re: God…the parent with an enormous ego? - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Truthseeker — Sun, 21 May 2006 06:33:00 -0000

To: Ian, Excellent post.Lots of food for thought & brilliant insight into who our Creator ACTUALLY is, right on the button. Very amazing coming from one as young as you. Proof again that a "pure heart" cannot compete with a "brainwashed" head".
Go out in life and "teach", yr a stunning kid!!!!
______

To: Anonymous Islam,
Once again irrefutable evidence that Islam is as flawed and fucked-up as xtianity ( being of the same source). Remain in anonimity along with yr religion, raghead.

Re: A letter to Jesus - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Truthseeker — Thu, 01 Jun 2006 07:17:00 -0000

Here we have some interesting questions posed by Bishop John S. Spong, a man who has studied the bible from end to end, and has landed christianity with more Q's than A's. Judge for yourselves !

A Call for a New Reformation

by John S. Spong

In the 16th century the Christian Church, which had been the source of much of the stability of the western world, entered a period of internal and violent upheaval. In time this upheaval came to be called the Protestant Reformation, but during the violence itself, it was referred to by many less attractive adjectives. The institution that called itself the body of Christ broke first into debate, then acrimony, then violence and counter-violence and finally into open warfare between Protestant Christians and Catholic Christians. It produced the Hundred Years War and the conflict between England and Spain that came to a climax in the destruction of the Spanish Armada in 1588. That destruction was widely interpreted as a defeat for the Catholic God of Spain at the hands of the Protestant God of England.

Yet, when looking at that ecclesiastical conflict from the vantage point of more than four hundred years, there is surprise at how insignificant were the theological issues dividing the two sides. Neither side was debating such core teachings of Christianity as the doctrine of the Holy Trinity, Jesus as the incarnate son of God, the reality of heaven and hell, the place of the cross in the plan of salvation or the role of such sacraments as Baptism and Communion. These rather were faith assertions held in common.

Of course this conflict was not without theological issues, though they seem quite trivial in retrospect. Protestant Christians and Catholic Christians disagreed, for example, about whether salvation was achieved by faith alone, as Luther contended, or whether faith without works was dead as the Vatican, quoting the Epistle of James, argued. There was also debate over the proper use of scripture and the role of ordination. Despite the hostile appellations of "heretic" hurled at Protestants and "anti-Christ" hurled at Catholics, anyone viewing this debate from the vantage point of this century would see that, while an acrimonious and unpleasant fight, it was nonetheless a fight that pitted Christian believers against Christian believers. The Reformation was not an attempt to reformulate the Christian faith for a new era. It was rather a battle over issues of Church order. The time had not arrived in which Christians would be required to rethink the basic and identifying marks of Christianity itself.

It is my conviction that such a moment is facing the Christian world today. The very heart and soul of Christianity will be the content of this reformation. The debate which has been building for centuries has now erupted into public view. All the past ecclesiastical efforts to keep it at bay or deny its reality have surely failed and will continue to do so. The need for a new theological reformation began when Copernicus and Galileo removed this planet from its previous supposed location at the center of the universe, where human life was thought to bask under the constant attention of a humanly defined parental deity. That revolution in thought produced an angle of vision radically different from the one in which the Bible was written and through which the primary theological tenets of the Christian faith were formed.

Before that opening salvo of revolution had been absorbed, Sir Isaac Newton, who charted the mathematically fixed physical laws of the universe, weighed into the debate. After Newton the Church found itself in a world in which the concepts of magic, miracle, and divine intervention as explanations of anything, could no longer be offered with intellectual integrity. Once more people were forced to enter into and to embrace a reality vastly different from the one employed in the traditional language of their faith tradition.

Next came Charles Darwin who related human life to the world of biology more significantly than anyone had heretofore imagined. He also confronted the human consciousness with concepts diametrically opposed to the traditional Christian world view. The Bible began with the assumption that God had created a finished and perfect world from which human beings had fallen away in an act of cosmic rebellion. Original sin was the reality in which all life was presumed to live. Darwin postulated instead an unfinished and thus imperfect creation out of which human life was still evolving. Human beings did not fall from perfection into sin as the Church had taught for centuries; we were evolving, and indeed are still evolving, into higher levels of consciousness. Thus the basic myth of Christianity that interpreted Jesus as a divine emissary who came to rescue the victims of the fall from the results of their original sin became inoperative. So did the interpretation of the cross of Calvary as the moment of divine sacrifice when the ransom for sin was paid. Established Christianity clearly wobbled under the impact of Darwin's insights, but Christian leaders pretended that if Darwin could not be defeated, he could at least be ignored. It was a vain hope.

Darwin was followed by Sigmund Freud who analyzed the symbols of Christianity and found in them manifestations of a deep-seated infantile neurosis. The God understood as a father figure, who guided ultimate personal decisions, answered our prayers, and promised rewards and punishment based upon our behavior was not designed to call anyone into maturity. This view of God issued rather into either a religious mentality of passive dependency or an aggressive secular rejection of all things religious. After Freud, it was not surprising to see Christianity degenerate into an increasingly shrill biblical fundamentalism where thinking was not encouraged and preconceived pious answers were readily given, but where neither genuine questions nor maturity were allowed or encouraged. As Christianity moved more and more in this direction, contemporary people, who think with modern minds, began to be repelled and to drop out of their faith commitments into the Church Alumni Association. Between these two poles of mindless fundamentalism and empty secularism are found the mainline churches of Christendom, both Catholic and Protestant. They are declining numerically, seem lost theologically, are concerned more about unity than truth, and are wondering why boredom is what people experience inside church walls. The renewal of Christianity will not come from fundamentalism, secularism or the irrelevant mainline tradition. If there is nothing more than this on the horizon then I see no future for the enterprise we call the Christian faith.

My sense is that history has come to a point where only one thing will save this venerable faith tradition at this critical time in Christian history, and that is a new Reformation far more radical than Christianity has ever before known and that this Reformation must deal with the very substance of that faith. This Reformation will recognize that the pre-modern concepts in which Christianity has traditionally been carried will never again speak to the post-modern world we now inhabit. This Reformation will be about the very life and death of Christianity. Because it goes to the heart of how Christianity is to be understood, it will dwarf in intensity the Reformation of the 16th century. It will not be concerned about authority, ecclesiastical polity, valid ordinations and valid sacraments. It will be rather a Reformation that will examine the very nature of the Christian faith itself. It will ask whether or not this ancient religious system can be refocused and re-articulated so as to continue living in this increasingly non-religious world.

Martin Luther ignited the Reformation of the 16th century by nailing to the door of the church in Wittenberg in 1517 the 95 Theses that he wished to debate. I will publish this challenge to Christianity in The Voice. I will post my theses on the Internet and send copies with invitations to debate them to the recognized Christian leaders of the world. My theses are far smaller in number than were those of Martin Luther, but they are far more threatening theologically. The issues to which I now call the Christians of the world to debate are these:

1. Theism, as a way of defining God, is dead. So most theological God-talk is today meaningless. A new way to speak of God must be found.
2. Since God can no longer be conceived in theistic terms, it becomes nonsensical to seek to understand Jesus as the incarnation of the theistic deity. So the Christology of the ages is bankrupt.
3. The biblical story of the perfect and finished creation from which human beings fell into sin is pre-Darwinian mythology and post-Darwinian nonsense.
4. The virgin birth, understood as literal biology, makes Christ's divinity, as traditionally understood, impossible.
5. The miracle stories of the New Testament can no longer be interpreted in a post-Newtonian world as supernatural events performed by an incarnate deity.
6. The view of the cross as the sacrifice for the sins of the world is a barbarian idea based on primitive concepts of God and must be dismissed.
7. Resurrection is an action of God. Jesus was raised into the meaning of God. It therefore cannot be a physical resuscitation occurring inside human history.
8. The story of the Ascension assumed a three-tiered universe and is therefore not capable of being translated into the concepts of a post-Copernican space age.
9. There is no external, objective, revealed standard writ in scripture or on tablets of stone that will govern our ethical behavior for all time.
10. Prayer cannot be a request made to a theistic deity to act in human history in a particular way.
11. The hope for life after death must be separated forever from the behavior control mentality of reward and punishment. The Church must abandon, therefore, its reliance on guilt as a motivator of behavior.
12. All human beings bear God's image and must be respected for what each person is. Therefore, no external description of one's being, whether based on race, ethnicity, gender or sexual orientation, can properly be used as the basis for either rejection or discrimination.

So I set these theses today before the Christian world and I stand ready to debate each of them as we prepare to enter the third millennium.

Re: Jesus Pan - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Truthseeker — Sat, 03 Jun 2006 07:36:00 -0000

The idea of “The Good Shepherd” has always left me wondering. I remember when I was just 5 years old when I came across this jesus dude for the fist time in my life!! (good going) .I was at my friends’ house and she had this pic up on the bedroom wall of a benevolent looking fella, clean shaven with hands outstretched, long coiffered shiny locks,the bluest eyes, milk-white skin only outshone by his luminesant gown.The kind of picture that is the furthest thing from the truth, the sort of catholic icon poster image. In fact a truer version would have been someone with wild, ratty hair, swarthy complexion from years in the desert sand &sun, brown eyes, hook-nose & beard, dressed in dirty ragtag cloth. He was not alone, as back in the day there was many a wannabe who claimed a similar virgin birth and son of god status. Instead, we have this sanitised image to already start working us over from the time we’re critters. We are told that we are really like a silly flock of sheep that needs to be led. Strange analogy that?
Our lord & saviour comparing us to sheep. That’s very telling. Sheep have never been the brightest bulb on the xmas tree, one little collie-dog can control hundreds at a time without breaking a sweat!! And when it comes to slaugher time, they all run enthusiastically to the gallows, like lemmings over a cliff. Come to think of it, even our friend jesus was also as a lamb to the slaughter. His dad deemed it necessary, so as to frighten and control the rest of the sheep that have IQ’s the size of their droppings. But do not dispair of this sad tale, this does not have to be your fate, there are many who simply cannot be brainwashed. Those who constantly question and look for answers, not accepting the tripe that’s dished up, not falling for the scare tactics.

Re: Jesus Pan - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Truthseeker — Sat, 03 Jun 2006 08:00:00 -0000

Re: Somebody please help me! - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Truthseeker — Mon, 21 May 2007 00:44:00 -0000

The place where you all go wrong, both atheists and christians alike, is that you forget you are human.

You have evolved to be a spiritual creature. That is, you have the ability to derive strength from your imagination when hopelessness makes more sense.

When you apply evolutionary pressure, such as starvation, those who believe they can survive even when the situation is bleak would be more likely to do the things that would lead to survival. This is how we developed the ability to deceive ourselves and start talking to God.

The funny thing is that either we are really, really good at this self deception or God does actually exist. I say this because if you act like God exists for long enough, he starts to be pretty convincing.

But regardless of whether or not he exists, you are human. And you are spiritual, and you need spiritual fuel or you will live a more difficult life.

The feeling of hope of an afterlife is no different from the burst of ambition you might feel from hearing a poem, or listening to a song. It makes no sense for the song or the poem to change how you feel. If your life stinks and you feel you should kill yourself, then read a poem or hear a song and don't want to kill yourself, What has the song changed. Your life still stinks. Yet something was changed. Something unseen in you has been touched. And this is part of the human animal.

I once read a quote that said, "nothing is infinite except the human capacity for self deception." I used to beleive this was a human flaw. Now I realize this is our greatest asset.

This ability is taken for granted during times of prosperity because it becomes less necessary to survive. But if you live without acknowledging this need, you live a more difficult life.

Life is tough. If your stupid it's tougher. -John Wayne

The short is - you are right, anyone who claims to be able to prove God is full of it.

However, anyone who denies that human beings evolved to have spiritual needs is deceiving themself.

Re: Somebody please help me! - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Truthseeker — Mon, 21 May 2007 21:40:00 -0000

Mike Brown:

Through out my undergrad at UofArizona I encountered dozens of fundamentalist types. I let them have a go at me for a good two years. I opened myself to any idea they through at my. I went to their churches, I prayed their prayers. What I found was that they were missing something.

What they were missing was faith. They all wanted to prove they were right. They were determined to prove the existence of God. The more people agreed with them the closer they felt they were to being right.

The issue is if God can be proven, then everybody would choose God.

We have been given free will. Part of the game however is that you need to take a leap of faith.

That's really the whole game.

Many of these folks in this forum have faith. They have faith that there is something out their worth searching for.

If God is real, the faithful will find him.

But one thing I've learned is that no one human being, can show anyone else the face of God. Only God gets to do that.

Even Christ didn't convert everyone.

Re: Restoration, renewal, and big bucks - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Truthseeker — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:46:00 -0000

Appalling, but not particularly surprising. The amount of money that churches throw around is sickening to me now. They mostly "consume it on their own lusts", which is the lust of deluding themselves that they are the 'CHOSEN' few, and god loves only them. "Let's build a huge building so we can meet together to pat each other on the back and reassure ourselves that we are truly awesome!" I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry...

Re: A tribute to George Carlin - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Truthseeker — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:18:00 -0000

I haven't laughed that hard in a long time. What a difference a few months makes! Not long ago I would not have listened to George Carlin, thinking he was just a reckless heathen that wouldn't submit his will to the loving god of the universe. How ignorant i was. I wish i had listened to him before, maybe it would have given me the slap in the face i needed. Oh well, better late then never....

Re: Is God a Delusion? - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Truthseeker — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:52:00 -0000

I wateched this debate, and must say I was again disappointed by Craig's opponent. I've watched him in other debates. He is a VERY strong debater, has excellent technique, and generally comes across pretty good. One thing he does is constantly challenge the other person to answer his arguments, but they never do. It is disappointing to me. Craig is an intelligent and well learned man, but he is just a man. I see many flaws in his arguments just sitting on the sidelines, and I know i'm not as smart as this professor.

I'm just frustrated he seemed to basically role over on the topic.
Cooke just did not seem prepared to debate. I did enjoy his opening statement, and he made a number of excellent points.

In terms of the debate, a couple of interesting things did come out. Lane acknowledges that the earth is Billions of years old. I'm not sure how this squares with his theology, but it is interesting to hear him admit it.

Craig is very insistent that without "god", "religion", etc, there would be no absolute morals and the world would be in chaos. He makes this in his book as well. The funny thing is, the morals of the bible are not absolute. They have changed quite a bit from the old testament to the new testament to today. Craig is willing to pick and choose the morals he wants to stick with, and throw out the others. Why don't we stone disobedient children anymore? Why are women allowed to speak in church against Paul's instructions?

Cooke did a nice job though of pointing out Craig's hypocrisy when craig equivocated on an actual hell of flames and torment, etc. That apparently is figurative, while other parts are literal. Whatever fits Craigs theology.

Also, another gentelemen presented to Craig regarding morality, and how god did not follow his own moral standards. Apparently since he is god, he can do whatever he wants. The wholesale slaughter in the old testament of people that were in the way of the isrealites was apparently god's judement. That is acceptable. This also tells us clearly we are not to kill, torture and slaughter people, UNLESS GOD TELLS US TO! Wow, what a great morality.

Well, craig is a fierce debater, and I'd really like to see him go up against someone formidable such as Sam Harris or Richard Dawkins or Christopher Hitchens. (I've seen them all debate, and they are excellent). I think they could really give him a run for his money.

Re: Grow up, already! - ExChristian.Net - Articles

Truthseeker — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:06:00 -0000

Since "deconverting", i have thought a lot about this and it is an excellent point. Part of my deconversion was realizing god wasn't going to show up and work his magic, i had to stand on my own. Once i did, i really started to see what i could accomplish. I have answered way more of my own "prayers" then god ever did!

i was thinking about so many verses telling how god will take care of our every need. that also is a very childish concept. I know my goal is to make my kids self-sufficient and to be able to stand on their own 2 feet. To think for themselves. It seems in the christian world the goal just the opposite: to keep you helpless and dependent on an invisible god your entire life. whenever your own reasoning gets in the way, it must be evil (see martin luther's thoughts on reason)! Now that is childish!

Sadly, it took me 20+ years of my adult life to "GROW UP", but thankfully, i finally did.

Re: Why I Have Issues With Black Clinton Supporters

Truthseeker — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:27:00 -0000

I am so angry about this, I find it hard to articulate.

What Barack has done is not only a psychological breakthrough; it is also a spiritual one. Hillary Clinton wants to push blacks back to "that place" where they(we) see ourselves only as receivers of white benevolence. At no point, should we be allowed to write our own narrative. This tactic is unforgivable.

I am Canadian, but have been keenly watching the primary coverage. I am embarrassed by the blacks who are trotted out to speak against their own best interest and the interest of their race. I am so ashamed and angry. These blacks have no damned self respect! African Americans have waited so long for someone like Barack and that they would use African Americans to discredit him is UNFORGIVABLE! There is no redemption for these black "leaders" - they should NEVER be trusted again.

Hillary should have been booed at SOBU; but, blacks sat there politely while Tavis - the ventriloquist - told them to welcome her. People like Tavis have become fat and complacent and have made peace with the status quo...they NEED to go!

The Clinton's are corrupt and criminals. Hillary is no feminist, and is a disgrace to women. With her shameful behaviour, she has damaged to cause of women who try to run in the future. She has tried to destroy the cause of all future black candidates. Everything the Clinton's touch turns to shit. And I am sure, elected blacks will destroy themselves by continuing to support her. Bill Clinton is a sexual predator and his wife a power hungry enabler. In order to hold onto power, she has investigated and harassed the women who spoke out against her husband. As a young lawyer, she vilified a 12 year old rape victim in defense of her much older attacker. This man fired his original male lawyer and picked Hillary's name from a list because he wanted to be defended by a woman. Hillary is practiced at defending rapists. I despise this woman, and I hope she is soundly beaten in Texas and Ohio so she cannot do any more damage to Obama, race relations or the Democratic party.

-Pissed off in Canada

Re: Rebecca Walker on "Feminist Infightin"

Truthseeker — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 21:38:00 -0000

I expected women to be better than this. I am disappointed to see women supporting a candidate(Hillary) who has race baited. How is a black woman supposed to process that information? It suddenly dawns that women are no different than men in their capacity to be unjust.

I watch Fran Dresher - a rape victim early in her life - on CNN supporting Hillary who as a young lawyer of 27, defended a man accused of rape by a 12 year old girl. Hillary did her job and called the little girl's credibility into question...saying she was a liar and had told stories of being touched by others. The accused rapist Hillary defended was 41 years old. He served little time due to Hillary's diligence.

http://www.newsday.com/services/newspaper/printedition/sunday/nation/ny-usark245589997feb24,0,3403116.story

Re: Rebecca Walker on "Feminist Infightin"

Truthseeker — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 21:56:00 -0000

...not only that, but she has run a terrible campaign. Never mind being ready on day one...she wasn't ready for her campaign, something she had foreknowledge of! Even after seeing the poor performance of her team and hearing in reported by every pundit, she still refused to make adjustments. Is this an example of being ready, being responsive to circumstances?

Her people have said some inflammatory things which she claims she had no knowledge of(lie). What does this say for her management skills? Is she going to complain that she's being treated unfairly when that call comes at 3 am..lol?

I guess I don't have to spell it out, I really dislike her. My feelings became intense when I realized what the Clinton's did in S. Carolina. She is not a feminist. She is a multi-millionaire former first lady who has been accused of using the IRS to go after opponents and of harassing her husband's victims. I don't believe she is who she claims to be.

Re: Rebecca Walker on "Feminist Infightin"

Truthseeker — Sat, 01 Mar 2008 22:21:00 -0000

@ nocman

Yeah, skip the drama, vote Obama

:)

Re: Rebecca Walker on "Feminist Infightin"

Truthseeker — Sun, 02 Mar 2008 12:27:00 -0000

Hillary is not a feminist, she's a selfist.

Re: Well, well….Hillary takes Barack ‘ at his word’.

Truthseeker — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 00:37:00 -0000

She said "..as far as I know." when asked if she knew he wasn't a Muslim. Consider that she and Obama are from the same party. She is willing to risk damaging his electability and further damaging her own. Do you guys think the Democrats could have such a sure win and screw it up?

The Democratic party is at fault here...they need to ask her to withdraw or risk losing everything. This woman is destructive and poisonous.

Re: Well, well….Hillary takes Barack ‘ at his word’.

Truthseeker — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 00:42:00 -0000

@ obamamama

re the man with the sick wife....He can't be that stupid. The Muslim thing is a convenient excuse for people who don't want to vote for an African American but are smart enough to be ashamed of it.

Re: Embedded In Texas - 1st Impressions, This Will Be Crazy

Truthseeker — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 13:54:00 -0000

@ nita

""Meaning, they'd be giving up a lot (but not the general election) to crossover for either Democrat. If I were them, I'd worry about whether or not I wanted McCain as the nominee or if I wanted to send a message to the party instead.""

-------

But if McCain is considered the presumtive nominee, then maybe they wouldn't be giving up much...

Re: Well, well….Hillary takes Barack ‘ at his word’.

Truthseeker — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:27:00 -0000

@ d

Obama has answered concerns.

Re: Embedded in Texas: Canvassing In The Hood, Ron Kirk And More Video

Truthseeker — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:54:00 -0000

Cool. I wish you guys the best tomorrow...I'll be watching the coverage.

Re: WaPo on Color of Change vs Rep. Stephanie Tubbs-Jones and the CBC

Truthseeker — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:57:00 -0000

Tubbs Jones said she won't "leave her" - referring to HRC. Sigh...

Re: Embedded in Texas: Canvassing In The Hood, Ron Kirk And More Video

Truthseeker — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:20:00 -0000

A root canal IS positive.

Re: WaPo on Color of Change vs Rep. Stephanie Tubbs-Jones and the CBC

Truthseeker — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:29:00 -0000

The time she cried and said it was personal....yeah, it was personal alright, payback to the "Vast Right Wing conspiracy" that investigated her husband. This is what drives her. It was the only time she showed emotion. Beware of Hillary.

Re: Hillary BLACKENS UP Obama in Ad?

Truthseeker — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 12:00:00 -0000

What's your explanation for the obvious doctoring of the colour levels and contrast in the film?

Re: Hillary BLACKENS UP Obama in Ad?

Truthseeker — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 12:02:00 -0000

@ d.

You can't be that naive. Advertising is subliminal. It is not what people will notice consciously...it is what people who are latently uncomfortable with race will subconsciously respond to.

...as is the assertion that Obama supporters are "delusional", crazy, paranoid etc.

Re: Hillary BLACKENS UP Obama in Ad?

Truthseeker — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 12:10:00 -0000

With regard to Obama's stunning success..there are forces at work there that cannot be denied. There is no amount of action, effort, dirt that will make Hillary Clinton the winner.

Even if she wins she will lose. If she claws her way to the White House, it will end in disaster and disgrace for her and she will carry America down with her as it is characteristic of her to do. If McCain wins, there almost surely will be continued war and a draft...America still loses.

Her new enemy is America, she hates it for rejecting her sordid aspirations.

Re: Hillary BLACKENS UP Obama in Ad?

Truthseeker — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 12:20:00 -0000

True enemies of America

These are the people you should be afraid of...your fellow Americans who don't want you to know the truth. They lie, twist the truth, create division between racial groups, use fear and subliminal messaging to control your choices. This is the true terrorism and it's done by your countrymen. It's not the Communists or militant Muslims doing this..it's Americans doing this to Americans.

These enemies of America do not appeal to the best within you, they appeal to your worst fears and prejudices. If they are allowed to continue unchecked, they will destroy America.

Re: Hillary BLACKENS UP Obama in Ad?

Truthseeker — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 12:30:00 -0000

She will never concede. Her strategy has changed. Her intention is to damage Obama and the democratic party - If that favours the Republicans, then so be it. If Barack is nominated and loses the general then it will be "I told you so" and possibly a win for her 4 to 8 years later. If he wins she will continue to undermine him.

This woman is destructive, self destructive, enabling, damaging, and quite possibly, insane. If the passive Democrats do not act decisively to deal with her, there will be hell to pay.

Re: Hillary BLACKENS UP Obama in Ad?

Truthseeker — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 12:39:00 -0000

@ d.

I already explained it's not what you notice consciously. The will not notice consciously unless they have the original footage side by side. What may happen, is that people who have racist tendencies MAY find themselves increasingly uncomfortable with Obama.

The dimwitted Clinton camp is using everything it can think of to disparage him.

Re: Hillary BLACKENS UP Obama in Ad?

Truthseeker — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:15:00 -0000

I think you're wrong...they are people who like his message buy cannot quite overcome their sublimated discomfort with his "difference". These people are smart enough to know it's not cool to be racist so they look for excuses to reject him...and Hillary is right there to provide those excuses AND to plant more seeds of discomfort.

Who is crying foul? The Obama campaign is not whining. It is Hillary herself who constantly complains...her people complain too. Has that put people off? I would say yes, it has.

Re: Hillary BLACKENS UP Obama in Ad?

Truthseeker — Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:26:00 -0000

Hillary's supporters are not whining?...don't make me laugh.

Re: Hillary BLACKENS UP Obama in Ad?

Truthseeker — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 00:06:00 -0000

I agree...he would taint himself irreparably if he's her running mate. Everything she touches turns to shit

Great post on Clinton vs Obama's record:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/20/201332/807

Re: The Race-Baiter Won the Ohio, Rhode Island and Texas Primaries

Truthseeker — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 02:01:00 -0000

@ faboomama

so, he still has momentum but it's slowed slightly.

I thought Barack could have done a better job responding to her assertions of experience and "ready on day one", the white house records etc. He really let her get away with a lot and it hasn't helped him. He seems to shy away from confrontation but there is a time for everything and the time for confronting her is long past.

This is going to get uglier and uglier and may cost democrats the general election.

Re: The Race-Baiter Won the Ohio, Rhode Island and Texas Primaries

Truthseeker — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 02:05:00 -0000

@ rikyrah

..why would you be chastised by your fellow bloggers??

Re: The Race-Baiter Won the Ohio, Rhode Island and Texas Primaries

Truthseeker — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:47:00 -0000

AA's need to stand up for what's right by not voting for her under ANY circumstances. It would be a huge mistake for him to be her vp/running mate...he doesn't need her, but she needs him. She has talked down to him like a boy, she's called him an empty suit...completely unacceptable and disrespectful. His name will be dirt when she gets through with him. The Clinton's are corrupt and any scandal will soil his credibility. Not to mention the psychological implication of it all...

I have given Obama the benefit of the doubt so far. But, I really believe he needs to be stronger on challenging her on the issues. If she says 35 years experience - it is not dirty politics to demand she show proof of that experience by releasing her records. If she accuses him with Rezko - it's not dirty to demand she release her past tax returns. If she says 'change' - it's not dirty to bring up her past scandals.

Why does he keep saying she has a "fine record"...why does he keep complimenting her? I know he doesn't want to create the impression of the big black man beating up on the little white damsel, but he's got to figure out a clever way of responding strongly.

He cannot continue to play the perpetual nice-guy...wryly chuckling good-naturedly when responding to her latest attack. He's got to set his jaw, and look stern and speak sternly, and show that he will not be trifled with.

..and yeah, he did win Vermont AND Texas!!!

Go Obama!

Re: The Race-Baiter Won the Ohio, Rhode Island and Texas Primaries

Truthseeker — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:59:00 -0000

@ anonymous

This as the entire country continues to watch blacks demonstrate overt racism by voting an embarrassing 9 to 1 in favor of the black guy. This from the community that points the "racist" finger at every other ethnic group in the country 24/7/365. F'ing hypocrites.

-------

Would you characterize a 9 to 1 vote by African Americans in favour of a white candidate racist?

If you think this blog is lame then what is your purpose for being here?

Re: The Race-Baiter Won the Ohio, Rhode Island and Texas Primaries

Truthseeker — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:05:00 -0000

...it's 11:00 am on Mar 5 and they're still reporting Hillary won 3 of 4 on CNN...completely dismissing the caucus victory for Obama.

Then a clip of an Obama interview comes on where he's talking about her citing her experience. He just doesn't look comfortable or confident in confronting her. He really needs to fight...not dirty, just fight!

Re: The Morning After - Some Thoughts

Truthseeker — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:05:00 -0000

@ ronnie b

re your question if Barack could run as independent.

Does anybody know if that's possible? That's an interesting idea.

Re: The Morning After - Some Thoughts

Truthseeker — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:17:00 -0000

Our choices matter! Have you heard of the blood scandal in Canada?

About 30,000 people infected with Hep-C and HIV from blood products during the 80's. You might be wondering what that has to do with your elections? Guess whose name is right in the middle of it...Bill Clinton. He was Gov. of Arkansas and blood was used from prisoners without adequate screening which ended up shipped to countries around the world. The FDA revoked Arkansas's license but good 'ole Bill is implicated in the continuation of the program. Clinton will not release his records for the time he was Gov. (sound familiar?) He took possession of those papers before running for President.

So, I wonder if anyone knew when they cast a ballot for him that they were underwriting the death of tens of thousands of people? I wonder how many people who voted for Bush jr. knew they were condemning their own children to death in Iraq?

Some wonder why people from all over the world are watching your elections and supporting Obama...well.

OUR CHOICES DO MATTER!

http://serb.org/serbia/bill-clinton-canadian-tainted-blood-scandal.php

Re: I am BLACK

Truthseeker — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:46:00 -0000

@ Ibn Warraq

I agree. That look on her face and in her eyes the day after Dodd had what he called an "uncomfortable" phonecall with her.(when he endorsed Obama)....I just had a feeling something ugly went down. That's when she took on a robotic monotone and said she was just getting warmed up with the attacks. She is fighting for her life but trying to make everyone think she has him on the ropes to eke out every last vote she can get to improve her position.

Re: The Morning After - Some Thoughts

Truthseeker — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:48:00 -0000

@ d.

Why are you so invested in him being as corrupt as everyone else? How does that benefit you?

Re: The Morning After - Some Thoughts

Truthseeker — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:37:00 -0000

@ d.

McCain is an old man and will not have to live with the consequences of his policy. He is all war all the time. He is out of touch...endorsements from Haggee and Bush Jr prove that. He is surrounded by lobbyists and the cachet of dirty money. He may have convictions. but is not courageous in them...which nullifies the convictions in the first place.

Re: The Morning After - Some Thoughts

Truthseeker — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:44:00 -0000

@ radical homos

I wonder what Bill's female victims call her? You know...the ones she harassed and investigated?

Re: The Latest Clinton Hustle - The Joint Ticket

Truthseeker — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:09:00 -0000

Go Maine!

Re: If Hillary Gets To Claim Michigan And Florida, Denver Will Burn

Truthseeker — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:33:00 -0000

Wow...excellent post Jack Turner!

Re: Obama Raises $55 Million In February

Truthseeker — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 16:47:00 -0000

Yes! The power of the people!

Re: I Know I am Going to Catch Hell for This, But…

Truthseeker — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 23:26:00 -0000

More arrogance from the Clinton camp...they think they know what everybody's going to do. Her campaign was wrong about her inevitability, wrong about super Tuesday and wrong about the effects of race baiting. They are wrong about the math also ..LOL.

One blogger described her as a "Hostage taker". She knows there's no way she can win but is holding Obama hostage to force the Dem's to give her what she wants...I tend to agree.

Here are some articles that talk about the math:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/convention-math-remember-the-u.php

http://www.newsweek.com/id/119010/page/4

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/hillary-takes-hostages-film-at.php

Re: BREAKING: Obama Foreign Policy Advisor Samantha Power Resigns. When Does Mark Penn Get Fired?

Truthseeker — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:42:00 -0000

I am of two minds on this ...

On one hand I think that his advisers are highly intelligent and educated people. They are smart enough to understand that they are targets in a political campaign. Given that they are targets, they should be smart enough to exercise some self control and keep their personal opinions to themselves. I think it would be wise policy for them to stick to the issues in a professional way and just resist the urge to give their citizen/voter opinions.

On the other hand, the advisers are unpaid and un-elected. They are not only advisers but citizens and therefore entitled to their opinions. Maybe the campaign should have said that Samantha was not acting on the campaigns behalf in that interview and is a citizen and voter entitled to her own opinion and cannot be "fired" because she has not been hired.

Barack is in a very bad position with regard to public perception. He has allowed Hillary to call the shots by demanding firing of an unpaid adviser even though Hillary is behind in the Primaries. It is part of her campaign to emasculate him - make him seem like a boy who takes orders from her: "shame on you.." etc. She is trying to make him look spineless and weak.

Obama needs to do a better job of following up and being specific in his valid criticisms of Hillary. In debates where he has the upper hand, he fails to follow through with detail...he backs off too early. He really needs to be more focused and drill down to land an effective hit.

Re: BREAKING: Obama Foreign Policy Advisor Samantha Power Resigns. When Does Mark Penn Get Fired?

Truthseeker — Sat, 08 Mar 2008 11:01:00 -0000

Some clips on Samantha Power story on Tucker and the Clinton strategy of floating possibility of Obama VP

Tucker kicks the ass of the UK reporter who wrote the story on Samantha...really good. Check them out if you care to :)

http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id

=83ea373b-45b9-4401-a5fb-a37350118700

http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id

=d523a013-fd6f-4575-9e79-c51ee48fec7e

http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id

=a9ece67d-f1fa-4c16-807a-519673e95f7f

http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id

=aacd7282-e3ab-4b5a-bc08-c22ec925c9a4

http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id

=bad2d378-285a-4cac-8219-9d3c029904b9

http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id

=6a06c86d-a7da-4cc8-8508-3f31871742d0

http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id

=2d7eb409-c2ed-46ef-8e80-037152f8432b

Re: Hillary’s Foreign Policy Experience Comes Down To… A Speech?

Truthseeker — Sat, 08 Mar 2008 11:42:00 -0000

I think she's insane. There are some people who are just destructive no matter what they say to the contrary. Look what destruction she's wrought just by being a contender in the Primary! A virtual Dem. sure win and the unity of all Dems against Bush has turned into a bitter, suspicious, angry competition with the various races now suspicious of each other. Hillary is the polar opposite of Barack.

Do you notice how people are just drawn to him? They stand there looking up at him with shining, hopeful faces. The mile long lines of voters who go to hear him speak..It is energy...he is attracting and pulling something that already exists within these Americans...he doesn't have to make any effort.

Hillary works very hard to produce the same but fails..she only produces strife and division. But the division might only be an illusion:

http://youtube.com/user/UnitedForObama

Re: Oh And Obama Won Texas Officially BTW

Truthseeker — Sat, 08 Mar 2008 12:07:00 -0000

For all the Americans here who want change, and who support Barack.

You really need to know that you're not alone. There are people all over the world watching and supporting you. Whites, blacks, Asians love & respect this man and what he stands for.

Don't ever forget that.

Re: In Response To My Burn Denver Post

Truthseeker — Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:24:00 -0000

@ nance

Nance, I think Hillary has fulfilled every negative stereotype of women. She only pretends to be feminist in order to mobilize women to vote for her.

I am disappointed that women who support her cannot see how she employs racism to hurt other women. What should black women tell their daughters about the race baiting and the negative effect it may have for years to come? Hillary employs any tactic against any group if it will translate to votes...don't you see that? She has single-handedly - during the Primaries - done more to damage the progress women have made. What use is she to us if she is as vicious, cruel, selfish and dishonest and racist as the worst man?

For feminism to mean anything, a woman has to offer something different...sort of like what Barack is offering.

Re: Embedded In Texas: Insight From A Fellow Volunteer On HRC’s Primary "Win"

Truthseeker — Sat, 08 Mar 2008 15:11:00 -0000

Ha! ..she's working, working so hard, expending so much energy and it all comes to naught. Hmmm, I wonder why???

Re: Obama Responds to Clinton’s Vice-President Rope-A-Dope Trick

Truthseeker — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:16:00 -0000

This was great..It's all over CNN.

I am pleased and relieved Obama's responded sternly. I was kinda getting worried there.

I am so sick of Hillary the narcissistic enabler and Bill, her cellulitic, narcissistic sexual predator husband. Obama is a decent human being who deserves respect. No one has ever seen a phenomenon like him in politics..everything he does is carefully thought out and innovative. Take a look at his website, listen to his speeches..this man is amazing...and you have village idiots like Rick Sanchez on CNN suggesting Obama cheated 'cause he used an innovative method to campaign over the internet. Then dumbass Sanchez says of course Obama will accept the no 2 position...dumb.

I have to give Cafferty props though..he's really been shoving reality down the unwilling throats of the viewers.

That's my rant for the day.

Re: Obama Responds to Clinton’s Vice-President Rope-A-Dope Trick

Truthseeker — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:24:00 -0000

I'm still ticked off at that woman Samantha Power. Really, how does an amazingly intelligent woman go into an interview and carelessly answer a call from someone in the campaign in front of the reporter??? Then, she tells the reporter what was said on the call. That is such an obvious no-no! Why would she trust a complete stranger??..silly silly. Here is a woman who has so much to offer but lets naivety and a lack of self control rob her of it.

Then, Hillary, the feminist demands Samantha be fired for calling her a name. Girl power! Free speech!

Re: Obama Responds to Clinton’s Vice-President Rope-A-Dope Trick

Truthseeker — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:07:00 -0000

I agree...he is playing a strictly defensive position. He has to challenge her on the "untrustworthy" theme.

Re: Obama Responds to Clinton’s Vice-President Rope-A-Dope Trick

Truthseeker — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 02:18:00 -0000

http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US
&b... traiangulation.

Re: Obama on the Cover of Rolling Stone

Truthseeker — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:23:00 -0000

You guys have to see this:

Ferraro on Fox talking about her comments:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=HOIwQSq9y8o

Re: Ferraro Says Obama is LUCKY He’s Black

Truthseeker — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:24:00 -0000

Ferraro discussing her comments on Fox:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=HOIwQSq9y8o

Re: Academics, Politics, And Birth Of A Nation

Truthseeker — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:32:00 -0000

See Ferraro's comments on Fox ..I think she refers to this article:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=HOIwQSq9y8o

Re: Obama on the Cover of Rolling Stone

Truthseeker — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:17:00 -0000

@ baltogeek

They're still playing the race card hoping to create a backlash among white voters. This time it's Geraldine who's not exactly a surrogate so the Clintons can separate themselves from her comments.

Do you notice how she implied Axelrod and the campaign were directly behind the angry emails she got? She called it an angry attack against her..and painted herself as an innocent victim who only wants to help Obama but won't if he doesn't stop ATTACKING her.

It's a setup. I kinda felt that way when I saw her initial comments. As always, they want to paint him as the BLACK candidate and create an US against THEM narrative.

From the perspective of the Democratic party however, it is dangerous to repeatedly offend the African American community with racially based insults and young people by suggesting they are delusional and don't know how things work.

It really is like that abusive parent who repeatedly tells their child they will never amount to anything. This is such a reckless, ill-advised tactic. How dumb is it for this woman to taint her legacy in order to support Hillary Clinton?

Re: Academics, Politics, And Birth Of A Nation

Truthseeker — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:48:00 -0000

The Clinton campaign is using Maggie Williams to accuse the Obama campaign of playing the race card with regard to their opposition to the Ferraro comments...as per Malveaux on CNN

Re: Oh, She Just Hates Black Men

Truthseeker — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:54:00 -0000

Now she's saying whenever anyone says anything about "that" campaign, they complain it's racist.

I knew it was a set up. The Clinton's have found a way to falsely accuse the Obama campaign of crying racism thereby highlighting the fact that he is the "black" candidate.

The Obama campaign has never discussed race or gender..it was Ferraro herself who injected race and gender. The intent of all this is to create an US against THEM environment to hopefully generate votes among whites who are secretly resentful of what they see as reverse racism in affirmative action.

The Clinton campaign is not caring about a potential future where if Clinton is the nominee that the Dems will not win without the AA vote. They are gambling that AA's will still come out to vote for the Dem nominee. They are taking a huge risk to win NOW.

Re: Oh, She Just Hates Black Men

Truthseeker — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:07:00 -0000

@ ronnie b

I got the feeling recently there's something brewing behind the scenes with the Dem leadership...or maybe it's wishful thinking. Pelosi saying the dream team was impossible..and little blurbs that Dems were dismayed at the Clinton campaign. I dunno..

Howard Dean strikes me as complacent. He should have made a decision swiftly re the FL and MI. issue. Then again I wonder if they are just putting on a calm face for the public but going berserk inside over the acrimony in the race. See, nobody was prepared for a scorned, enraged and entitled Hillary. Before her, every candidate just accepted they had to compete.

Re: Oh, She Just Hates Black Men

Truthseeker — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:10:00 -0000

On the MSM they just keep pounding away at the racial divide in the percentages. I wonder if it is even beneficial to specify race on voter forms...It allows media and parties to create divide by exploiting racial polling.

Re: Ferraro Says Obama is LUCKY He’s Black

Truthseeker — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:31:00 -0000

And..Michelle is no damsel in distress. She doesn't play victim to get ahead; she doesn't make deals with men to get power. Her husband obviously respects her. She's gorgeous, confident, accomplished, likable and stylish. Maybe she does - by her mere existence - make certain people look bad. She refutes the negative stereotypes of black women.

How swiftly things can reach a critical mass and change! Many people got comfortable with the social status quo and then BAM! Even AA's were taken by surprise.

I have to give young people of all races props for being ready though! They really make me proud. They were the first ones to hear and respond to Barack's message.

Re: Obama Wins Mississippi

Truthseeker — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:35:00 -0000

heh heh..

Tucker kicks Clinton adviser's ass:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_U3-HFcses0&NR;=1

Re: Geraldine Ferraro and the Clinton Campaign’s Strategy

Truthseeker — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:40:00 -0000

Page with stats:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com

/2008/03/moving-beyond-big-three.html

Re: Geraldine Ferraro and the Clinton Campaign’s Strategy

Truthseeker — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:16:00 -0000

Hillary is hedging her bets..

1) laying groundwork for 2012 by "blackening" Obama ..and in order to squeeze out every last vote possible now. If she can "damage" him enough, it will give McCain an edge and maybe a single term win.

2) in the meantime, creating noise & controversy to drown out & distract from the fact the math is against her in order to keep the donations flowing and justify remaining in the race. Her supporters will continue to give if they think she still has a chance.

3) Using those donations to create an illusion of public endorsement while looking for angles to take Obama out. She wants to stick around in case he slips up...maybe something might happen to give her an edge with superdelegates. So what if he's damaged?...all the better for her in any scenario!

She is playing on many fronts...none of which have anything to do with what's best for the Dem party. If Obama prevails, she may undermine him while he's in the White House.

Many of the superdelegates who support her do so out of friendship and loyalty...nothing to do with what's best for the party or her capability. They are holding up th show. They need to move now to put an end to this madness!

Listing of superdelegates and who they support

Re: Eliot Spitzer Resigns; David A. Paterson will become Governor

Truthseeker — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:50:00 -0000

The man's black AND blind!

Re: Eliot Spitzer Resigns; David A. Paterson will become Governor

Truthseeker — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:03:00 -0000

Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick is hiding behind race to avoid accountability for his actions. He's implying he's being subjected to "lynch mob mentatlity" ..using the very real suffering of blacks to cover himself against accountability.

I despise this man, he looks arrogant and..well, ...dumb. To use something sacred to protect his own skin from paying for his stupid actions. Then, there's an entire audience of people applauding and supporting him against "victimization". What happens when someone is truly a victim of racism?

It's clear to me he's scared re what happened with Spitzer and is using the controversy surrounding the Obama/Ferraro episode to cry racism to protect his own selfish skin.

He gambled, he lost... he has to pay...but not on the tab of racism.

Re: Geraldine Ferraro and the Clinton Campaign’s Strategy

Truthseeker — Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:18:00 -0000

@ Anon Wed Mar 12, 05:26:00 PM 2008

Yeah...well, Maybe those activated, engaged young voters might have other ideas....there's no going back for them. If this is stolen, I think there will be rioting. And/or, all those jokers will be voted from office.

Re: My Take on Geraldine Ferraro

Truthseeker — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:40:00 -0000

This is why Hillary Clinton has been called divisive.

Olbermann left the door open for her to pretend this was done only by her people without her direction. Hillary is a control freak, do you believe for one second she wasn't behind all this?

Now, she can come out and throw herself on the mercy of the court..so to speak. And, she can claim to want to start fresh, maybe shed some tears, then everyone will rush to her side to comfort poor, contrite Hillary. Then, they'll vote for her to make her feel better.

Re: Keith Olberman Comes Correct On Clinton And Ferraro

Truthseeker — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:01:00 -0000

This is awful!!! All of this divisiveness and people taking sides is exactly what the Clinton's intend.

I heard Tucker lost his show...I don't know if the Clinton's had anything to do with that. I know he embarrassed

someone from her campaign and also said her campaign threatened reporters.

I hope this doesn't backfire on Obama. Even though it's Americans who are offended by Ferraro, he is the one who will feel any fallout. Remember Ferraro was pointed in saying the hate mail she got was from Obama's campaign? We know that's impossible...we know that it's just ordinary people who've contacted her. But the intent is to make it seem as if it's Obama's campaign who's responsible.

Hillary Clinton is the architect of this racial divisiveness..she's a fighter remember? This is a woman who's investigated her husband's victims and listened to scanned recordings of cell phone conversations from her opponents. It's believed she used the IRS to investigate people she wanted to destroy. She had investigators looking through Obama's kindergarten records in Indonesia! She is a control freak. Do we really think things can occur in her campaign without her OK? Dick Morris often says she is worst than Nixon. We are still falling into the trap that she's a woman and therefore incapable of being vicious.

I regret the Obama campaign asked for Ferraro to step down...but maybe I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong. I regret Keith got involved and suggested it's her campaign giving her poor advice. I hope Obama doesn't pay for this.

Re: Eliot Spitzer Resigns; David A. Paterson will become Governor

Truthseeker — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:20:00 -0000

@ Webb,

I didn't know anything about him other than he'd had an affair and something about emails. I took one look at that footage of him "preaching" about "lynch mob mentality" and knew he was an asshole.

He's a con man. He may be educated, and come from a "good" family, but he's a con artist. He hides behind his wife, kids and racism when he gets caught. Rikyrah is right, trifling is the perfect word in that he sacrifices so much, for so little.

At this time when Obama is trying to get somewhere, we don't need this con artist to come out of the woodwork crying racism and tarnishing Obama by racial association.

Re: Keith Olberman Comes Correct On Clinton And Ferraro

Truthseeker — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:10:00 -0000

Please don't yell at me but, I think Scarborough and Crawford had a point. They seem to point out that Hillary is playing to a specific audience, she is NOT playing to the enlightened. And Barack being embroiled in this race issue is going to make it harder for him to appeal to that audience in Pensyl. to make them vote for him. Barack is supposed to be able to draw people together, but Hillary is doing everything in her power to make that seem like a pipe dream.

So, Barack has got to come out with something mind blowing and inspirational to speak to the hearts of these people. He can't go there with his same speeches. Rather that drawing apart and taking sides, Americans have to draw together and show that they are one. That would be the best antidote to Hillary and her divisive spirit.

Re: Eliot Spitzer Resigns; David A. Paterson will become Governor

Truthseeker — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:01:00 -0000

@ webb

I think the labels like Gen.x and Civil Rights are misleading. I don't think that is what it was really about. Those labels mask the truth: it is truly about the content of a person's character. Are AA's really human? And if we are, then are we allowed to embody the full spectrum of human strength and frailty. And if we embody the full spectrum shouldn't we self police within our community by calling out these con artists?

Is Kwame as much of a self-serving coward as Spitzer? Should the black community protect Kwame based on racial loyalty? Does our protecting a dishonourable man(Kwame) jeopardize the chances of an honourable man(Barack) attaining higher office? Are we sacrificing everything in exchange for nothing? Do we lose credibility by protecting con artists?

Re: At Least One Of Kilpatrick’s Controversies Is Fake

Truthseeker — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:07:00 -0000

Of course it affects Obama..

There is a problem when the black community "anoints" a leader who doesn't deserve it.

Toni Morrison anointed Bill Clinton with blackness by suggesting he was being lynched; but, Bill Clinton was a sexual predator and deserved to be impeached! The community should have accepted Kwame's apology and then demanded he step down immediately.

Our poor choices always come back to haunt us. The Clinton's have returned to rob America and blacks specifically of real chance to heal via Obama. And Kwame has returned to sully Obama by falsely crying racism.

Barack needs to gain more white votes and if whites are fed up with this Kilpatrick affair, they may associate it with race and transfer that resentment to any AA.

So, here comes Kwame - with mange, fleas and all - to rub up against Obama who's wearing his Sunday best. If Kwame was concerned for his family, he wouldn't have done this in the first place. He also could step down which would stop the threats...and then he could always leave town if necessary.

Re: At Least One Of Kilpatrick’s Controversies Is Fake

Truthseeker — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:41:00 -0000

Why would the mayor's wife remain attached to him if her children are being subjected to threats? Does she truly believe they are at risk? Is she complicit in that risk by refusing to give up on her "investment" in a lucrative, political marriage?

Racists look for opportunities to use racial epithets; it's not rocket science. Kilpatrick drew his family's blood and now the sharks are circling. He refuses to do what's necessary to close the wound. Whose fault is that?

Re: Smears Working? 13 Percent Of Voters Believe Obama Is A Muslim (Updated)

Truthseeker — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:50:00 -0000

Did you guys hear the Clintons are throwing cocktail parties to woo undecided superdelegates?

Here's a site that tracks superdelegates:

Superdelegate Transparency Project

Re: Smears Working? 13 Percent Of Voters Believe Obama Is A Muslim (Updated)

Truthseeker — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:39:00 -0000

Excellent comment anonymous Fri Mar 14, 02:57:00 PM 2008!

My fear has been that there is a message to Senator Obama to show white people how deferential he is.

I agree anonymous....

Hillary to Obama:

"shame on you, Barack Obama!"

Ferraro to Diane Sawyer:

"I'm hurt, absolutely hurt by how they've taken this thing and spun it to imply.." (distress call to white males)

Ferraro to David Axelrod:

"If Barack Obama is the candidate he shouldn't really antagonize people like me because he's going to come to me and ask me to raise money for Barack Obama.."

Clinton Campaign:

He hasn't passed the commander in chief threshold

He hasn't passed the national security test

etc etc..

(She subjects him to tests which he consistently fails according to her benchmarks)

Hillary plays "which one of these things is not like the other" by saying she and McCain are qualified and Obama is not...by suggesting she's a workhorse an he's a showhorse...by saying he was "missing in action" or in other words, a deserter and absentee father.

Re: Smears Working? 13 Percent Of Voters Believe Obama Is A Muslim (Updated)

Truthseeker — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:59:00 -0000

Video of Bill Richardson saying some nice things about Obama:

Video

Re: Smears Working? 13 Percent Of Voters Believe Obama Is A Muslim (Updated)

Truthseeker — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:47:00 -0000

Clip of Harvard Prof talking about the red phone ad on Hardball:

Link to redlasso clip

Re: Smears Working? 13 Percent Of Voters Believe Obama Is A Muslim (Updated)

Truthseeker — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:20:00 -0000

America has a history of killing it's "prophets".

To put things in perspective, America voted for George Bush TWICE! Yet, here they are demanding answers from Barack regarding his Pastor...demanding that he assume the position...demanding that he prostrate himself, prove himself. There is no one in America who dares question George Bush in this way as he acts with impunity.

It is said that nations receive the leaders they deserve. As the economy collapses, as Americans burn their foreclosed homes for the insurance, as Americans line up for charity health care, It remains to be seen whether America has "earned" Obama or Hillary, or McCain.

Re: Smears Working? 13 Percent Of Voters Believe Obama Is A Muslim (Updated)

Truthseeker — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:48:00 -0000

Much has to be said against the politicizing of religion. Isn't that what this furor over Obama's Pastor is really about?

Christianity has injected itself into the business of the state for over 10 years, against the mission of the Constitution. What did we think Gay marriage or the anti-abortion movemement was really about? These are divisive beliefs that do not belong within the narrative of State.

Churches receive tax exempt status by refraining from Political endorsement. If the media does it's job, perhaps it will question the involvement of the church in influencing social policy.

It seems our Obama embodies the spirit of Loki. His mere presence inspires change - whether we want it or not. He drags things into the open where we must face up to them. This is a terrifying but necessary thing.

:)

Re: Smears Working? 13 Percent Of Voters Believe Obama Is A Muslim (Updated)

Truthseeker — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:02:00 -0000

@ anonymous

Hillary Clinton is a divisive and destructive force, as is her husband. Their presence inspires strife, separation, disgrace and insecurity. I am sure, if she steals this nomination unopposed, and if she becomes President(unlikely) - she will bring that destructive, non-productive, stife-filled spirit with her. And, it will become the tone of the entire country.

No amount of political power that can fix what is wrong with her "soul".

Re: Smears Working? 13 Percent Of Voters Believe Obama Is A Muslim (Updated)

Truthseeker — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:09:00 -0000

@ angela,

I'm sorry that you lost your Dad.

Your comment highlights the reality of different experience of America depending on what race you are.

Re: Barack Obama: On My Faith And My Church

Truthseeker — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:25:00 -0000

Want a laugh and some Hillary momorabilia?

Hillary Memorabilia

Re: Big Up Andrew Sullivan on Pastor Wright

Truthseeker — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 22:02:00 -0000

Ha, you know...it's fascinating to me to watch people who voted for Bush jr twice act as if they have any real options other than Barack Obama. To me, the choice is clear...it's as if someone asks you to choose slavery or freedom and you say "let me think about that."

You know what, Barack could take his family away to a country with universal health care, free education, no hate groups or racism to speak of, wear flip flops and make multi millions from being an author. He wouldn't have to worry about the safety of his family or have a double contingent of secret service protection.

So, it is galling to me to hear low-lives demand he prostrate himself and subject himself to disrespect just for the priviledge of risking his life, and the hard work of saving their undeserving asses.

They should be on bended knee begging him to save them.

Re: Big Up Andrew Sullivan on Pastor Wright

Truthseeker — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 01:33:00 -0000

@ ms martin

Thanks...and yes, he has already laid the groundwork for America to save itself. His grassroots organization is incredible! That organization is not going to stand for any crap. There are community watchdog groups springing up that are pressuring the media, superdelegates and keeping an eye on members of Congress. It will be much easier for those groups to thrive if Barack is President than anyone else.

@bigassbelle

It's difficult for some to escape the religious framework, so when I say "save" you think "messiah" or "saint".

Barack has the unique mixture of intelligence, vision and the ability to mobilize with words. He has exactly what America needs at this time; however, he doesn't need this shit. This man would not put his family at risk if he didn't believe in service; clearly, this is a labour of love and America should be damned grateful!

Barack is an American, and America is lucky to have him. Isn't it a shame that his safety is threatened not by terrorists, but by his fellow Americans.

Re: Big Up Andrew Sullivan on Pastor Wright

Truthseeker — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:10:00 -0000

I understand that the sermons were released for sale after Rev. Wright retired.

I wonder if it didn't occur to anyone that content from these dvd's would be used against Obama. See, this is what I don't understand with Tavis, and Samantha and Wright's church...don't they understand there is a campaign going on and what is at stake? To me, Obama is standing by these people but they are not returning the favour. Everyone is looking out for their own short-term gain. The church is generating dollars, Samantha was flogging her book, and Tavis was promoting his business interests. Obama has to be as ruthless in protecting himself.

Re: Obama/Rezko….Done. Over and Out.

Truthseeker — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:32:00 -0000

Hmm, sounds like a rumour the Clinton's might float to squeeze out a few extra votes. It seems as if the Edwards delegates are moving to Obama and maybe someone is trying to stop that. It doesn't make sense to me either. Edwards and Obama seem to have more in common.

Re: Another Scary Aspect To the Bigoted Attacks On Obama: Kids Fighting In School

Truthseeker — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:27:00 -0000

@ onein4

if you're still around, can you elaborate...what's a nickel? What specific experiences did you find with the various ethnic groups?

Re: Big Up Andrew Sullivan on Pastor Wright

Truthseeker — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:42:00 -0000

@ Justice58

Yeah..it's really frustrating. It seems as if the people you'd expect to be in his corner are far too careless with their actions. This man has risked everything to be of service to his country; anyway, I hope he'll prevail and not be too embittered by this campaign.

Re: Another Scary Aspect To the Bigoted Attacks On Obama: Kids Fighting In School

Truthseeker — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 15:04:00 -0000

@ the bag of health and politics

Hey, that's some good stuff there, love it..

how about **How can you justify penalizing Americans for not purchasing health insurance when they're burning their foreclosed houses in desperation?** or, **..buying groceries on credit?**

You're right, he and his economic advisers needs to come out with something dramatic that addresses the economy. He's got to pivot away from this Wright business and focus like a laser of the economy.

Heh heh..this is fun, you should send your suggestions to the campaign!

Re: Trinity UCC’s Palm Sunday Statement

Truthseeker — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:19:00 -0000

..yeah, I thought Trinity is probably getting serious threats. It was ill-advised to release those dvd's..terribly unfortunate. They've got a serious problem and I hope the threats don't escalate. The spotlight on Trinity is not fair by any means. The internet is replete with hate speech against ethnic Americans and the government.

There is a problem I think, with churches being in bed with government via tax exempt status, then attempting to be a critic of, or influence on that same government. I think this is where the true debate lies and not in these opportunistic issues of patriotism or race.

..and Tavis is asking for a rendezvous with some duct tape and a locked closet.

Re: Trinity UCC’s Palm Sunday Statement

Truthseeker — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:42:00 -0000

@ nquest

Government is the representative of the people and is not synonymous with any ethnic group to the exclusion of any other.

There is a sense by some Americans however, that AA's are outsiders and not part of that representation. Don't you think the preaching of HIV as Govt. plot against AA's encourages the view that Govt. is synonymous with white? Doesn't it reinforce the view that AA's are outsiders? From the point of view of the congregation, doesn't this encourage fear and suspicion of the "enemy" Govt. while giving a feeling of only being able to count on the "group" or church to survive? Doesn't the group then benefit from promoting fear in order to more strongly bond it's members?

This is part of what is behind Tavis' resentment. Barack is not bound to the group. Tavis, Sharpton etc, or the church cannot "control" him; he is a wild card and moves easily between both "worlds". Barack flouts that black leadership hierarchy and appeals directly to people..black and white. In this sense he is "dangerous" to the survival of the group..and I can see why some might not want him to succeed.

Re: Trinity UCC’s Palm Sunday Statement

Truthseeker — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:19:00 -0000

@ nquest

While all these sentences are factually correct, the problem is that Rev. Wright used Hillary & Barack as the subject of each sentence. He wasn't speaking generally about prejudice...he was comparing these two specific people. It was ill-advised to speak specifically about them. It was ill-advised to use their first names rather than addressing them as Senator Clinton or Senator Barack. It was ill-advised to use them as an object lesson in a sermon about racial prejudice...ill-advised and unfortunate.

Rev. Wright was in a position of authority making a public address and should have followed a certain protocol with regard to presidential candidates. This is different than if he was talking about them privately.

It's the same criticism I have of Hillary in that she didn't observe respectful protocol by congratulating Barack on his wins or publicly speaking to, and of him in a respectful manner ("Shame on you Barack..". It was irresponsible of Hillary and her team to inflame the electorate with racist rhetoric.

Re: Trinity UCC’s Palm Sunday Statement

Truthseeker — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:34:00 -0000

I really wish all the anonymous people would use a name!!!!! What, can't you stand by your own words? You're making me dizzy.

Re: Trinity UCC’s Palm Sunday Statement

Truthseeker — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:48:00 -0000

I think all opinions have value, whether I agree or not. If nothing else, they make me think about things from a different perspective.

would it kill to to take 2 minutes to create an account?

Re: Trinity UCC’s Palm Sunday Statement

Truthseeker — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:01:00 -0000

What has Michelle said that is at odds with Obama's message?

Re: Trinity UCC’s Palm Sunday Statement

Truthseeker — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:17:00 -0000

This man is being pecked to death by the hopelessly cynical who can't believe that a politician can actually tell the truth. You go around saying you want honour and truthfulness and when it shows up you set about tearing it down and trying to prove it's not real.

I think America is really out of time. I think America is out of options, but doesn't have the good sense to know it. This Iraqi war I believe was a turning point in your fortunes.

Bush Jr came along and you embraced him while he lied to you. You have a sense of comfort with the liars. Barack makes himself available to serve and answer all your probing, inappropriate questions and you use it to destroy him...he just doesn't make you feel comfortable.

There is no more time to choose! Do you know those signs on the highway..the ones that say "50 miles to next exit"? I think this is where you are...at a crossroads, choose now or be damned! And if this man doesn't become President then there might be no hope left for America.

Re: Trinity UCC’s Palm Sunday Statement

Truthseeker — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:28:00 -0000

@ anonymous Mon Mar 17, 08:15:00 AM 2008

You're full of shit. That is not Michelle's exact quote and not even close to her meaning. People like you are the true enemies of America. Michelle is an American but you are not proud of her. You would falsely vilify her, twist her words and deny her the American dream. YOU are the traitor.

Why do you think her family had to be protected by the secret service almost from the outset? Why do you think they had to increase their SS detail? Was it Militant Muslims threatening their lives? No, it's their fellow Americans...ignorant low-lives who have accomplished nothing and serve no one but themselves. How dare you judge her words without having even the integrity to reproduce them accurately?

Who the fuck are you anyway? What have you contributed to America other than strife and lies?

fuck off

Re: Trinity UCC’s Palm Sunday Statement

Truthseeker — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:04:00 -0000

Don't bother with the psycho babble...I'm not having any of it.

Typically, people who post repeatedly but do not have an account are here to misinform. They are clumsily manipulative and their purpose here is suspect; and, I am not worried.

I think your posts should be henceforth ignored.

Re: Trinity UCC’s Palm Sunday Statement

Truthseeker — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:09:00 -0000

@ nquest

Here, we are speaking informally; therefore, we use whatever name we want. If I was making a public speech from a position of authority, I would observe protocol.

Re: Trinity UCC’s Palm Sunday Statement

Truthseeker — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:23:00 -0000

Slick Willy is on CNN trying to scam the voters again. The Clinton scammers used Ferraro to take the heat off them and pretend the race baiting was only out of control surrogates. Then, he says the race card was played against their team. He says SC race baiting was a myth. These people are UNBELIEVABLE!

Re: Transcript Of Obama Speech: A More Perfect Union (Now With Video) - Update 2

Truthseeker — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:30:00 -0000

Rev. Wright was like a father to a young black man whose father left when he was 2 and died after seeing his son only once more. Barack grew up in a family surrounded by people who loved him but didn't look like him. Obama compares Wright to his Grandmother, saying he's like family. The reptiles say his Grandomother was blood and Wright was not. Well, for a then young man looking for identity...it was like blood.

Great speech. Ha! seems like Barack brought out some poetry in the posters here! I heard he's going to address Iraq tomorrow and the economy the following day..

Re speaking to the whites in Pennsylvania...I hope he channels his community organizer energy, put on a pair of jeans and talk to them from that standpoint.

Barack's got a secret weapon: the grassroots network that supports him. The Dems know these "kids" are the future of the party. They are the ones who will donate in the future, They are the ones who will support any future Dem. candidate at all levels of Gov. The activists are an organizing and money-making machine! If the Superdelegates steal the nomination from their candidate, most will leave and take the future of Democrats with them. I think Pelosi is subtlety warning supers with her comments, in case they start getting any wild ideas about going against the electorate.

Re: Transcript Of Obama Speech: A More Perfect Union (Now With Video) - Update 2

Truthseeker — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 05:01:00 -0000

Someone on YouTube said they couldn't imagine this election ending without Hillary setting herself on fire. I know it was meant to be humorous, but why do I have this knot in my stomach when I see her?

That day she said "shame on you Barack.." I think she saw those mailers before anyone from her campaign could get to her and talk her down from the ledge. She just went berserk. I think we saw the real Hillary that day, she just lost complete control. The pundits didn't comment on her behaviour, just on the supposed reason she was mad. That is how she is when she's stressed.. not good.

Right after that, when she appeared next, she'd taken on a robotic, dead-eyed, monotone, and has been that way ever since. Prior to that, Hillary always had a highly animated face with a characteristic laugh sometimes called a "cackle". When was the last time you heard the "cackle"?

Re: Transcript Of Obama Speech: A More Perfect Union (Now With Video) - Update 2

Truthseeker — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 05:19:00 -0000

..So, Roland's happy, most of the pundits are happy, even the Repubs. Sigh...what makes them happy is not necessarily what will make Barack happy.

I hope Barack will be happy when it's all said and done.

Re: Transcript Of Obama Speech: A More Perfect Union (Now With Video) - Update 2

Truthseeker — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:26:00 -0000

The obsession with Wright is a foil for anxieties about nominating Obama. They are anxious about the kind of change he offers. We cannot pretend religion matches our values...

Women sit in the pews and listen to how they should be submissive and silent. Homosexuals listen to anti-gay messages. People continue to sit in pews and listen to sermons long after those sermons cease to match their beliefs. Religion is static, while people are not. We grow and become more compassionate and understanding, while preachers teach 6000 year old rhetoric. We listen to stories of "God's chosen" conquering nations and being instructed to kill all the men and keep the virgins for themselves: sexual slavery. That we enter the church at all is absurd!

I suppose, we enjoy the sense of fellowship, the music and community outreach...sermon notwithstanding.

Re: Transcript Of Obama Speech: A More Perfect Union (Now With Video) - Update 2

Truthseeker — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:38:00 -0000

What is more absurd, a woman conceiving without sperm being involved ,or the idea that US foreign policy was instrumental in causing 9/11? But of course, it's the so-called Anti-American rhetoric that Obama is accused of sticking around to listen to. Here is an intelliectual man educated at Harvard. He has been taught evolution and logic; yet, no one points out the absurdity of him ascribing to a religion that teaches virgin birth or Genesis. Obama is attacked on the things said by Wright which are more logical and more likely to be true.

My point is that the whole thing is nuts: the virgin birth, Genesis, Govt. engineering HIV, men in the bellies of whales, women worth less than men...it's ALL crazy...who are we kidding?

My other point is we don't go to church for what makes sense and is logical - 'cause clearly, none of it is. We go out of habit, tradition and in small degree, what feels good. So, Obama opponents can't impose the logical test of asking "why did you stay?" on a behaviour that is inherently illogical!

Now, all the Christians are going to kick my ass.

Re: Senator McCain, do you believe abortion is genocidal plot against black Americans?

Truthseeker — Wed, 19 Mar 2008 18:18:00 -0000

Religions need to butt out of the business of the state and lose their tax exempt status for endorsing candidates.

I am tired of Haggee, Wright, Robertson and all the other purveyors of divisive, self-absorbed, ego driven, biblically inspired, destructive rhetoric.

How is it redemptive to tell kids the government has deliberately infected blacks with HIV? It seems to me this is more aimed at binding them with irrational fear rather than redeeming them. How is it beneficial for these "leaders" to tell rape victims they should carry the pregnancy of their attackers? It is Christianity's messianic beliefs that cause the inhumane treatment of the Palestinians and our occupation of Muslim countries.

Re: Obama & Wright: Another Perspective

Truthseeker — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:58:00 -0000

Ok anonymous white person above, you've explained yourself and are free to choose any of the other candidates in the 2008 race: Clinton, McCain or Nader.

I am sure that any one of these other three will meet your exacting moral standards and that you will be proud to place your x beside their name in the election. But, you don't need to demand any more from Obama, you don't need to torture him and tear him apart in your head..just relax and choose someone else.

Go in peace.

Re: Senator McCain, do you believe abortion is genocidal plot against black Americans?

Truthseeker — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:23:00 -0000

@ Palyndrome,

You know most Palestinians are Muslim. You ask for an explanation of why a small pocket of Christians within the population hasn't deterred the oppression of Palestinians. Note that while Christians believe Israel will play a role in end times, Christianity cares for Jews only in the sense of what role they will play in Christian end time prophecy. Remember, Jews do not believe Christ is the Messiah, and in that regard the two religions are at severe odds. Any Christian inspired interference in the Middle East is to help bring about end time prophecy.

This is one of the many ways in which religion has caused instability and suffering to justify it's beliefs.

Re: Obama’s - ‘More Perfect Union’ : Some Afterthoughts

Truthseeker — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:49:00 -0000

I don't think it's Obama's job to reconcile the races; although, he does provide leadership. The so-called race leaders clearly haven't been doing their jobs, neither has the church.

Re: Obama & Wright: Another Perspective

Truthseeker — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:27:00 -0000

Hey Justice58, thanks.

Re: Henry Louis Gates Jr. on Tavis Smiley/PBS tonight

Truthseeker — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:06:00 -0000

Fullnelson,

yeah..I thought he really accused the media in his speech, but isn't it interesting how they didn't report on that in their analysis! The media is complicit in how it portrays race issues and is guilty of feeding the fires of divisiveness. Consider the way they used race stats from voter forms to create divisions with how people were voting. I wish the American public would rise up against the MSM and make them pay for causing strife rather than encouraging peace.

Re: Senator McCain, do you believe abortion is genocidal plot against black Americans?

Truthseeker — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:38:00 -0000

Palyndrome,

in your original post you quoted from a "commenter"...that commenter was me and that is why I am responding here.

Of course there are individual Christians who are any number of things that don't fit into the monolithic viewpoint of Christianity...homosexual Christians, Christian fornicators, Christian child-molesters, Christian warmongers etc...

Re: Obama & Wright: Another Perspective

Truthseeker — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:24:00 -0000

I think there are many people terrified of a mild-mannered, gentle Obama...now, why do you think that is?

Re: Obama’s - ‘More Perfect Union’ : Some Afterthoughts

Truthseeker — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:01:00 -0000

I think it's really unfortunate Obama's mother couldn't be front and center on this. The fact he mentioned his WHITE Grandmother seems to be ticking his opponents off. Obama had never mentioned race up until now...but I think the key to resolving this issue may not lie in his blackness, but in his whiteness!

Re: Obama’s State Department Records Illegally Accessed in January 2008

Truthseeker — Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:36:00 -0000

It's not about controversy, it's about breaking privacy laws and security breach. It's also about protocol. The employees were fired without investigation to find out the scope of the breach. Apparently, senior management wasn't notified immediately. So, there seems to have been some attempt to cover up.

Re: Obama’s Latest Defenders: Mike Huckabee and Fox’s Chris Wallace?

Truthseeker — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:48:00 -0000

Ha! That Chris Wallace one was great! Notice how they looked embarrassed like somebody caught them masturbating...well I guess they were.

It's amazing the subtle effect Obama is having on the media. As I type this, Cafferty is telling the rest of the panel he's tired of them talking about Florida and Michigan. The others are insisting Florida and Michigan MUST be included. Jack essentially says no they don't and lets move on...LOL

As for Huckabee, he's scared Americans will start poking around into what's said in churches on Sunday mornings...and start raising questions about tax exemption...If they only knew! Preachers better stick together.

Re: Obama’s Latest Defenders: Mike Huckabee and Fox’s Chris Wallace?

Truthseeker — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:53:00 -0000

b-serious,

what dude walked off the stage?

Re: Obama’s Latest Defenders: Mike Huckabee and Fox’s Chris Wallace?

Truthseeker — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:06:00 -0000

b-serious,

Thanks. It would be funny if after all this mindless talk about leaving churches where controversial things are said, it would be interesting to see if there's a mass exodus this Sunday.

Re: The Jeremiah Wright/LBJ Connection

Truthseeker — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:18:00 -0000

Everyone knows this isn't about patriotism any more than wearing a flag pin is really about patriotism.

All this talk is about vilifying a fearsome enemy. Republicans are terrified of Obama, they haven't seen anything like him EVER! They don't know how to defeat the man. I'm sure if they found out he picked his nose, they'd be discussing that. Even Hillary couldn't find any dirt on him...What, you mean they'll actually have to have a respectful campaign based on the issues!???

On the Oprah message boards, people are fussing about how he was LATE to give his historic speech, and how that's a sign of unprofessionalism!

Re: The Amazing Racism of Pat Buchanan. Be Not Surprised

Truthseeker — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:54:00 -0000

You guys have to watch this YouTube clip. Chris Matthews tells off Mika and Pat Buchanan while interviewing Bill Richardson.

Wow! Things they are a changing!

Link

I'm so proud of Chris! Bill had to sit there and answer these disrespectful, embarrassing questions from these nobody reporters. Whatever happened to protocol and respect? They wouldn't dare question idiot Bush Jr this way. You've got to watch this!

First Fox, then CNN, now MSNBC...the media is taking notice.

Re: Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick Charged With Perjury

Truthseeker — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:54:00 -0000

You know, they probably wouldn't have charged him if he'd stepped down. Now, all his carrying-on is going to be public record and he might be convicted. He already got the community fired up with the idea he's being "lyched", which is a distress call for everyone to rally round and protect him.

I hope he doesn't get away with it. I don't want to see any more footage of him being run right before footage of Obama.

Re: Hillary And That Bosnian Sniper Fire - Great Video

Truthseeker — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:35:00 -0000

The operative word by Wolfson is "potential" combat zone.

As feared, Lou Dobbs is talking about Kwame and shows a clip of him saying he's been called a "nigger" etc, followed by a piece on Otis Moss, Trinity's new pastor. Otis is saying something about being "lynched". Then they talk about Obama.

This is not good. I wonder if these people understand the concept of humility, stillness...laying low, keeping their mouths shut?

Great Spirit,

There are enemies on all sides, even among our own.

Save us from the scourge of applied victimization. Guard us from the overarching egos of preachers. Give us the strength to stand against those who seek to keep us in chains. Protect us from the ones who will benefit from our continued subservience.

I am no Christian, but this passage is fitting:

Matthew 10:16

Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the middle of wolves: be you therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

Re: Hillary And That Bosnian Sniper Fire - Great Video

Truthseeker — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:38:00 -0000

@ rikyrah,

On CNN they just showed a clip of her telling a story of a little red brick house, their first home that Bill bought for her. Her tone was unbelievable, like she was telling a story to little kids. I bet it's another lie...problem is, there's virtually no way to verify.

Re: Hillary And That Bosnian Sniper Fire - Great Video

Truthseeker — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:50:00 -0000

I've said before that I think this woman - Hillary - is insane, but people think I'm being facetious. This kind of crazy is the catching kind. It seems it infects anyone connected with Hillary's campaign. The slobbering madness of believing something they are entitled to is being taken away.

The Clinton's cause their supporters to sacrifice their integrity for them..and they don't even deserve this level of devotion.

Re: Hillary And That Bosnian Sniper Fire - Great Video

Truthseeker — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:16:00 -0000

@ Michelle

"So I had this moment where I wondered, is this person trying to tell the truth under the guise of defending her? To be so outrageous in what he says .."

Re the "Judas" comment, it's Obama who's generally thought of as the Christ-like figure. I too did find the whole thing very surreal. I wondered for a moment whether Richardson might actually bet betraying Obama. It is thought that he would give Superdelegates the signal that it's ok to go against the Clinton's. But the fact Hillary won in his state yet he's endorsing Obama might signal that Superdelegates can vote against their states. This was already pointed out by Lanny on CNN. Politics is a dirty business.

Re: Hillary And That Bosnian Sniper Fire - Great Video

Truthseeker — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:03:00 -0000

The Clinton's want McCain to Win!

Here's a YouTube video where Chris Matthews talks about the treachery of the Clinton's. This is something many people realized weeks ago...that in the event Hillary doesn't manage to steal this nomination, the Clinton's prefer McCain to win the general, thereby possibly clearing the way for Hillary in 2012.

Best case scenarios for the Clinton's:

1. Hillary manages to get 2008 nomination, and wins the general.

2. Hillary gets the 2008 nomination and McCain wins the general.

3. If Obama prevails, McCain wins the general election due to damage done in primary to Obama. (Highly likely McCain will not do 2 terms, clearing way for Hillary in 2012.)

4. Obama gets nomination and wins general. He becomes the hero of the Democratic party and a party heavyweight, beloved by the people. Everyone forgets the legacy of the Clinton's and remember the nasty, disloyal things they did..they become pariahs. They tear down Obama's message of hope and upliftment. The Clinton's do not care about what is best for America. THEY DO NOT WANT THIS OPTION! If this occurs they will work to undermine his Presidency!

Chris has been working this angle for a couple days and had a panel on where everyone agreed that the Clinton's prefer McCain to win.

Re: Hillary And That Bosnian Sniper Fire - Great Video

Truthseeker — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:11:00 -0000

..Another thing is why isn't the Obama team pouncing on this Bosnia thing??

Hillary knows she has little chance of winning the general with her negatives on being untrustworthy. This Bosnia thing will make that worse. But, now I think the thing she wants more than winning is for Obama to lose! Obama cannot win, because he will forever change the face of politics in America making it impossible for people like her to survive. He will open a door where truly anyone can run for President not just people with a "pedigree". If Obama wins, Americans will be empowered and never go back to the old way of doing things. Obama will challenge the "whiteness" of America.

Re: Rev. Wright: The Difference Between Wrong And Crazy

Truthseeker — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:45:00 -0000

I've heard it said that these men were infected or injected with syphilis. I haven't found that anywhere...to my understanding, they had the disease but were not told. At first there was no treatment but when penicillin became available it was denied to these men without their knowledge/consent. I know that as a consequence, some spouses and children became infected.

Does anyone know if they were deliberately infected?

In any event, it certainly was a heinous act. But, the difference is between denying treatment and deliberate infection.

Re: Rev. Wright: The Difference Between Wrong And Crazy

Truthseeker — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:28:00 -0000

@ Craig Hickman

I agree that the effect of denying treatment is the same as deliberate infection. The problem I see, is that many people believe these men were "injected" with syphilis. I was in a disagreement with someone on YouTube who believed this, and he was going as far as telling people not to vaccinate their daughters against HPV!!! This person also believes that HIV is a Govt. conspiracy without any solid evidence.

It's sort of blurring the facts on Tuskeegee...and then from that blurred position it is fairly easy to jump to the idea that the Government infects blacks with HIV. Then from there people begin being afraid to vaccinate their daughters.

I don't think it benefits anyone to believe a lie or a half-truth.

Re: Rev. Wright: The Difference Between Wrong And Crazy

Truthseeker — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:40:00 -0000

@ faith

What medical degree does Rev. Wright have? How does Rev. Wright's medical degree uniquely qualify him to determine and disseminate that HIV is a Govt. engineered virus used to deliberately infect blacks?

Re: Rev. Wright: The Difference Between Wrong And Crazy

Truthseeker — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:20:00 -0000

@ faith

Re Wangari Maathai

copy from wiki

In a 2004 interview with Time Magazine, in response to the question, "You've said that AIDS is a biological weapon manufactured by the developing world to wipe out black people. Do you still believe that?" Maathai replied, "I have no idea who created aids and whether it is a biological agent or not. But I do know things like that don't come from the moon. I have always thought that it is important to tell people the truth, but I guess there is some truth that must not be too exposed," and when asked what she meant, she continued, "I'm referring to AIDS. I am sure people know where it came from. And I'm quite sure it did not come from the monkeys."[6]

In response she issued the following statement:

“ I have warned people against false beliefs and misinformation such as attributing this disease to a curse from God or believing that sleeping with a virgin cures the infection. These prevalent beliefs in my region have led to an upsurge in rape and violence against children. It is within this context, also complicated by the cultural and religious perspective, that I often speak. I have therefore been shocked by the ongoing debate generated by what I am purported to have said. It is therefore critical for me to state that I neither say nor believe that the virus was developed by white people or white powers in order to destroy the African people. Such views are wicked and destructive.[7]

Her first comment is off the cuff and seems irresponsible for someone trained in the scientific method. She offers no research to back up her extraordinary claim. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Her later comment is more sober...she acknowledges the harm of false beliefs.

Re: Rev. Wright: The Difference Between Wrong And Crazy

Truthseeker — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:26:00 -0000

I never doubted Rev. Wright's medical credentials...my point was what special knowledge does a cardio-pulmonary technician have regarding engineering of biological agents that uniquely qualifies him to categorically state HIV is a government conspiracy? It's that great logical leap of going from someone being trained in the medical field to them automatically being an expert on ANY scientific/medical subject.

Re: Rev. Wright: The Difference Between Wrong And Crazy

Truthseeker — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:35:00 -0000

..oh crap!

on Dr. Wangari Maathai's wiki page, there's a picture of her and Barack Obama!

Re: Rev. Wright: The Difference Between Wrong And Crazy

Truthseeker — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:47:00 -0000

Sometimes people start out with a belief and then seek out evidence to prove that belief true. I don't believe AIDS was engineered, so why would I research to prove or disprove it? How does it benefit to believe that it is true? What would I do with that information, would I stop going to the doctor? Would I not vaccinate my child? Would I refuse blood products and surgery? Would I mistrust all drugs and medical personnel to avoid infection?

Re: More Clinton Supporters Would Support McCain Than Obama Supporters. REALLY???

Truthseeker — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:32:00 -0000

Well now, Barack's back on the stump looking tanned, bright-eyed and bushy-tailed after his time off!

Anon,

do you care about America? It will be the greatest tragedy for America if Barack doesn't become President. Have you thought of the implications for America if Obama doesn't become President? For one, the implication that the Presidency is an exclusive club open only to certain people. The implication that old loyalties and friendships are what dictates who gets to be nominated. Have you thought of the effect of Having a President(Hillary) who lives in a fantasy world where imaginary snipers are waiting around every corner?

70 percent of Hillary voters will vote for Obama and that's enough.

:)

Re: Rev. Wright: The Difference Between Wrong And Crazy

Truthseeker — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:09:00 -0000

@ faith

:) I'm chillin', I think. But, how does military background relate to HIV? Re Autism, I believe the idea is that preservatives in the vaccines are the problem - not any intention to cause harm.

I'm comfortable in my beliefs. I'm just wondering how you negotiate the Government given your beliefs. It must be terrifying!

Re: Hillary " Tonya Harding" Clinton on Wright - ‘ He would not have been my pastor.’

Truthseeker — Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:02:00 -0000

Obama's experience was different though...he grew up in different cultures and had benefit of a different experience that did not include the black church. I think his "multicultural" experience is of tremendous value and what makes him succeed where Jesse Jackson and Sharpton could not.

Today, he continued to defend Trinity. It is - I believe - a new, more subtle iteration of the "prove you're black enough" message. It compels him to stand by his "black church". It is the blackening of Barack, where black means belonging to a "black church" and saying things that soothe the black community to prove his belonging to it. It is following the template of previous black candidates.

It is not the Clinton's now who wish to turn Barack into a Jesse, it is the African American community. Like Jesse and Sharpton, it may cost him the Presidency; but, fear not - the black church will be there with open arms to lick his wounds like all the others who lost. It will deliver a special sermon, decrying racist America and talk about how Hillary did him in. Then, everything can go back comfortably to the way it's always been and all is right with the world...again.

Re: Hillary " Tonya Harding" Clinton Attempts to Mess with the Voting in Texas - AGAIN

Truthseeker — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:58:00 -0000

Re April on Hardball,

yes I saw that and agreed. It's interesting the other woman on the panel kept disagreeing saying it's about politics not trust...say what?!!

Obama would be insane to seriously consider Hillary.

Re: Today’s Forecast

Truthseeker — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:21:00 -0000

Yeah....she didn't even ask any pertinent questions. It was funny when Barack asked Elizabeth the imagine someone taking the 5 dumbest things she'd ever said in her whole life and played them on an endless loop....(paraphrasing)..ha!

I've never really been fond of Whoopi. It's a case where someone who's managed to attain success and we think they have some special access to wisdom. Her open admiration for all things "non-black", I find odd because of it's intensity. I don't think she's wise or a role model which is borne out by her dogged support of Clinton. Actually, my gut tells me she has extremely low self-esteem. She almost always looks sloppy and untidy, won't wear a goddamned bra...undermines Sherri Sheppard on the show.....most of the time she just pisses me off.

Re: Today’s Forecast

Truthseeker — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:40:00 -0000

This was taken from dickmorris.com Another Hillary lie:

After 9-11, Hillary had a problem. New Yorkers were desperately focused on their own needs for protection and they were saddled with a Senator who was not one of them — an Arkansan or was it a Chicagoan?

Interviewed on the Today Show one week after 9-11, she spun an elaborate yarn. The kindest thing we could say was that it was a fantasy. Or a fabrication.

She said that Chelsea was jogging around the World Trade Center on 9-11 and happened to duck into a coffee shop when the airplanes hit. She said that this move saved Chelsea’s life. But Chelsea told Talk Magazine that she was in a friend’s apartment four miles from ground zero when the first plane hit. Her friend called her, waking her up, and told her to turn on the TV. On television, she saw the second plane hit, disproving Hillary’s claim that “she heard the plane hit. She heard it. She did.”

So why did Hillary make up the story about Chelsea? Most likely to was because her co-Senator (and implicit rival for the voter’s affection), a real New Yorker Chuck Schumer spoke of his daughter, who attended Stuyvesant High School (Dick’s alma mater) located next to the Trade Center, being at real risk on 9-11. Hillary needed to make herself part of the scene.

She invented the entire story on national television, the Today Show, and didn’t blink an eye.

Her fabrication on the Today Show was no unique foray. It is her standard M.O. It gives us pause in evaluating all of her stories and calls into question her entire credibility.

Re: Today’s Forecast

Truthseeker — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:35:00 -0000

Do you find it odd that Hillary failed the bar in Washington but passed in Arkansas...where Bill was? I wonder if she failed on purpose..a subconscious desire, need to be near Bill because she feels she's nothing without him. There's a strange expression that crosses her face just prior to a speech..a microexpression, fleeting...if I was guessing I'd say she's in one of her fantasies, imagining she's a great leader about to give an address before her adoring subjects.

Re: Today’s Forecast

Truthseeker — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:20:00 -0000

Here's a good article by Peggy Noonan

Noonan article

Re: Obama On The View (videos)

Truthseeker — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:35:00 -0000

No where on Earth do people have more freedom and opportunity than in the United States of America.

..hate to break it to ya Anon 6:27..but this is a myth. There are many countries where people are freer ..all people, especially black people. It's funny to me when I hear this. I don't know how you can say you're free without Universal Health Care - without a strong social safety net.

Re: A Most Thoughtful Letter From Alice Walker

Truthseeker — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:33:00 -0000

Do you think there is a special resentment some black men feel toward Obama? Obama is biracial, his father was African - he's not typical. During his early years, Obama wasn't exposed to the typical stigma of being biracial. Obama seems to have an ease in both worlds, an absence of baggage; whereas, as pointed out with Marc, he morphs according to which audience he's speaking to.

Re: A Most Thoughtful Letter From Alice Walker

Truthseeker — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:10:00 -0000

Tavis on Real Time with Bill Maher, he's asked about the SOBU and Barack not attending. Bill kind of slaps him after his response. This YouTube link is the overtime part of the show:

Link Real Time overtime

Re: Today’s Forecast

Truthseeker — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:42:00 -0000

@ nita

I strongly feel there is this projection taking place in the relationship between Hillary and the public - especially the female public. She is thought of as the typical feminist-minded woman. Of course she has self esteem and an innate independence....but is that really true? Are we projecting rather than seeing what is? Is "what is" so chilling and unacceptable that we refuse to believe it when it makes itself apparent?

What I see is an extremely emotionally fragile woman. This woman is propped up by fantasy and the power structure that surrounds her(Bill). She has created an internal fantasy world based on that framework of political power. The illusion is so seamless that only occasionally does a glimpse of madness seep through. The framework is also supported by our projected beliefs. We see her furiously defend a philandering husband and we dismiss it. We see her harass the women who accuse her husband and we dismiss that. We see her remove documents, stonewall and outright lie and we make excuses. Hillary followed Bill because she couldn't emotionally survive without him, he is her ticket to survival and power. She blurs the boundaries between herself and Bill because she doesn't believe she can attain success without him. The public illusion is a woman in control, but I see that she talks too much. I see the anxiety, the disheveled hair, the crumpled suit...the wild panic in the eyes. The fleeting look of distress as her eyes search the audience looking for anchor. I see the muscles on the side of her mouth constantly flexed. I see the slight rocking back and forth when asked a tough question in interview and debate. I see the expression of rage and hate a split second long, that if you blink you'd miss it. I hear the laughter at inappropriate moments that my brain says doesn't compute. I hear the little catch in her voice as she says "well.." just before she's about to lie. I sense the web of madness.

We put the madwoman behind the wheel because she wears a power suit, and only as the car careens over the cliff does it dawn on us that we've made a mistake and it's too late..

Re: Obama On The View (videos)

Truthseeker — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:13:00 -0000

Elisabeth is a Republican shill. She is attacking Barack on one of the central things about him that might attract evangelicals: his faith. Republicans need to make his faith seem radical and alien in order to turn off Republican evangelicals. It's been reported that evangelicals are moving away from the rigid pro life and anti-gay stance, toward including issues like anti-poverty, anti-racism etc. Barack - though he is pro-choice - might be attractive to some of these Ev. Repubs...hence the obsessive attacks.

Re: A Most Thoughtful Letter From Alice Walker

Truthseeker — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:46:00 -0000

@ nmp

Great post NMP. I've been thinking along those same lines. Really, Obama has said enough, and his continued defense of Wright only reinforces the illusion that they're connected somehow with regard to his candidacy. I've been wondering why Wright hasn't come out to speak for himself or to defend Barack?! I've been annoyed at the careless release of the dvd's without review, or consideration of what would happen if they got into hostile hands...where is the Church's responsibility in this? I think there is a desire to be confrontational, by thumbing their nose at the establishment, by embracing people like Farahkhan. It's a recklessness - by which the church, and previous candidates tied to the black church have written the template of how to lose!

Barack is the "spirit-child" who walks between both worlds - black and white. His powers depend on remaining spirit. There are forces on both sides that wish to claim him, but if he chooses, he becomes mortal and is rendered powerless. Barack needs to let this Wright issue go and allow Wright and the church to stand up for itself.

Barack writes a new template: how to win!

Re: A Most Thoughtful Letter From Alice Walker

Truthseeker — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:57:00 -0000

Consider the implications of having a black man as President. How will the idea of Govt. conspiracy to infect blacks with HIV survive? Can the narrative of racism survive? Who and what organizations benefit financially from those narratives surviving? Barack is biracial. Biracial children are harassed by both blacks and whites. What will it mean to have a biracial President? What will it mean to have a President who grew up without the racism narrative programmed into his consciousness?

Do blacks REALLY want reconciliation with whites? Does it matter if whites never understand where blacks are coming from?

Re: A Most Thoughtful Letter From Alice Walker

Truthseeker — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:00:00 -0000

@ rhondacoca

I mean, Barack was playing in rice fields in Indonesia, with a white mother and an Indonesian stepdad. He didn't go to Sunday school in a black church. He didn't grow up hearing about HIV conspiracies. I imagine he learned about religions without any strong indoctrination. I think that may have inoculated him against a strong emotional attachment to religion/church/pastor.

re your comment:

in addition, reconciliation is achieved through understanding and respect.

Is that the ONLY way toward reconciliation? What if the other side refuses respect, refuses to understand? Do you hold your ground until you receive what you may never receive? Is there another way to reconcile? Should you care whether they respect or understand you? Are you able to live happily without their understanding? And if so, should you?

Re: A Most Thoughtful Letter From Alice Walker

Truthseeker — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:10:00 -0000

...terrific, then you can both hang out and bemoan the injustice of it all. I'm getting excited just thinking about it. Ahhh, the delight of being right!

Re: A Most Thoughtful Letter From Alice Walker

Truthseeker — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:26:00 -0000

I observe that many black folks are drawn fatally to the darkness. I cheer for my team, but I am getting impatient, bored with their losing streak. I don't want to hear any more excuses. I don't want to be overwhelmed by small things. I am no longer satisfied with small victories. Small victories can no longer hold my interest.

If I was a child of the "black church", I would be fixin' to give them a serious talking to. I'd be gettin' ready to tell them off, not defend them. I'd be ready to judge them as they have judged. I'd be pissed off that they lost the faith, that they made peace with losing. I'd be hopping mad that they - the supposed keepers of the flame - had let that flame go out. I'd be enraged that they got caught unprepared for a Barack and were caught acting a fool. I'd be mad that they were caught with no oil in their lamps. I'd be asking them why'd they lie to me?

I'd be furious that they made peace with the hypocrites on my behalf..coddling the philandering swine and his insane wife so that they could return to poison my well. How come they didn't discern their true characters? Didn't the "holy spirit" speak to them? I'd be asking some serious questions.

Re: A Most Thoughtful Letter From Alice Walker

Truthseeker — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:58:00 -0000

It's pretty impetuous to not endorse a candidate based on him having supported your opponent, especially when that candidate(Barack) is most likely to win the Presidency. Is he trying to hurt Barack's feelings?? LOL....and as I type this, CNN shows a clip of Nutter. The word "trifling" comes to mind.

Re: A Most Thoughtful Letter From Alice Walker

Truthseeker — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:32:00 -0000

..trifling.

Re: Delusional Hillary Clinton Sees A Pattern

Truthseeker — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:48:00 -0000

I read an article yesterday where a Clinton supporter made her first donation after Hillary had to loan herself 5 mil. This woman was well over 40, earned $14 dollars an hour and said she would skipped lunch to afford the $25 occasionaly donations. I thought after reading this that a lot of people are going to be enraged when they see the Clinton's income from their tax forms. I'm not that sure, but I think there's not a limit to how much an individual can fund their own campaign? Anyway, it broke my heart for this woman who really believed she was coming to Hillary's rescue.

The fastest way to get the Clinton's out of the race is for donations to dry up. I'm sure they took a hit after the Bosnia story and will take another when they release their taxes. In the meantime they must create the illusion of supporter endorsement through donations to justify staying in.

Re: Good Discussion Of Obama’s Race Speech At TPMCafe

Truthseeker — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:35:00 -0000

I'm so proud of people questioning so-called authority figures!...booing them even!

Sigh, though after reading those accounts, I see that Hillary has this extraordinary knack for causing division even between ordinary people. Fellow Texans now hate each other because of convention tactics. It really is unfortunate. At the same time, groups of white Obama supporters are making "pilgrimages" to Trinity in an effort to "desegregate" churches. Our lives depend on questioning those who would have authority over us..Preachers and Politicians alike. It's an exciting time.

Re: Good Discussion Of Obama’s Race Speech At TPMCafe

Truthseeker — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:47:00 -0000

I'm ticked off at the frivolous use of the word "lynch" in describing perceived attack. I was looking at some pictures of burned, mutilated and hanged bodies of blacks on Google images and I'm pretty sure that what was happening to Kwame, Clinton and Thomas was NOT a lynching.

What a way for those black supposed figures of authority to dishonour our ancestors who were lynched. Then I hear whites using the term to describe disaster of their own making. This is why I believe authority figures must be questioned...and sometimes booed. The Toni Morrison's, the Maya Angelou's, the Clarence Thomas's the Rev. Wright's..on and on. Where does their authority and wisdom come from? Do they really speak for us? They don't seem to have any wisdom.

Re: Lou Dobbs. Cotton What? Cotton Who?

Truthseeker — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:52:00 -0000

I don't know what to make of his crusade against "illegal aliens"...it's sort of like Larry Craig's crusade against gays. Lou is one of those white men terrified of the darkening of America.

Re: Senator Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota Endorses Obama

Truthseeker — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:36:00 -0000

thanks for that Angela.

Re: Senator Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota Endorses Obama

Truthseeker — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:54:00 -0000

here's the video:

Donna Brazile with Stephanopolous

Re: Top Ten Black Blogs for April 2008

Truthseeker — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:04:00 -0000

Congratulations!

Re: Good Discussion Of Obama’s Race Speech At TPMCafe

Truthseeker — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:14:00 -0000

It was not a protest...it was borne out of a desire to understand, perhaps an expression of solidarity. Trinity is described as a "black" church. I guess they feel if they migrate from their "white" church and join the Trinity congregation on a Sunday, it is a statement against polarization. I suppose it is similar to many people temporarily adopting the middle name Hussein to take away it's sting.

In any event, it seems Barack put out an invitation for people to visit Trinity in one of his stumps.

I think we need less religion, not more. But, whatever floats your boat.

Re: Obama Gains Momentum — A Report from PA

Truthseeker — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:22:00 -0000

Does anyone know how much loot the Obama campaign collected this month?

Re: More Holes Found In Hillary Clinton’s Sniper Tales

Truthseeker — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:17:00 -0000

Ha, this was the funniest thing ever! Not many people know this but, I also have a very rich fantasy life...

Re: Today’s Handkerchief Head for Hillary - Emmanuel Cleaver

Truthseeker — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:55:00 -0000

Well, it only proves that black men can also have colossal egos. Among blacks Barack is mediocre??? WTF?
He was talking to a Canadian audience and was kinda bullshitting...whatever. He better laugh it up while he can.

Re: Today’s Handkerchief Head for Hillary - Emmanuel Cleaver

Truthseeker — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:57:00 -0000

..and on another note..

maybe this plays into this feeling I've had re the response of some black men to Barack(that pretty motherfucker) so to speak. I sometimes wonder if there's a degree of resentful competitiveness.

Re: So Obama’s Lithuanian Too?

Truthseeker — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:06:00 -0000

I think what Chris alluded to was the subtext. That Barack looked more like a dancer than a bowler, subtext: effeminate, unmanly, alien.
Hillary's reptilian brain picked up on it too. She challenges Barack to a bowl-off, mocking him. What she's saying is that she's more of a man than Barack is. Her audience is the blue collar white male.

Chris understood the significance of the imagery of Barack daintily bowling...because as he's said with the red phone ad - guys like him are the intended audience. I suppose Chris means Barack should have stuck to an activity where he could look more "manly".

Re: So Obama’s Lithuanian Too?

Truthseeker — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:10:00 -0000

I kinda like Chris. He makes an effort to ask pertinent questions. I think he's really sharp..his big, round Charlie Brown head notwithstanding - I enjoy his somewhat reptilian brilliance.

Re: So Obama’s Lithuanian Too?

Truthseeker — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 04:30:00 -0000

@ Rikyrah

I agree. Scarborough and Tucker are jerks, but Tucker is much sharper and quicker...if only he would use his powers for good. It was great when he interviewed/reamed Kiki and Gerri Peev, the Scottish reporter who outed Samantha Power.

Re: More Holes Found In Hillary Clinton’s Sniper Tales

Truthseeker — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 04:33:00 -0000

@ justice58

LOL...I just got swept away in the moment.

Re: The Attacks on Howard Dean

Truthseeker — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:50:00 -0000

Great article. I wonder if the Clinton supporters understand this? They are thinking small, that it's about having a woman vs having an African American. Do they understand that in supporting Clinton, they are supporting a political philosophy that goes against empowering the people. This is a revolution within the Democratic party. I worry for Barack, there are so many people who stand to lose personally if he wins.

Re: The Attacks on Howard Dean

Truthseeker — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:58:00 -0000

I've been arguing with whackos on YouTube who are thinking armed revolution is the only way to re-take government. They don't get it that the govt. would crush them in a hot second. The time for a feasible armed revolution has long passed. They don't get it, that this is it right here! Barack is the revolution..just not armed. I hope people start to understand what is at stake. I hope they understand they are being distracted by small matters like gender and race, when the real struggle is over freedom and power. I hope they get it before it's too late.

Re: Dear Bill and Hillary, Please Stop Yer Bitchin

Truthseeker — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:25:00 -0000

@ angela and NMP,

Hitchens is an atheist, so I'm not surprised that he would respond that way to Wright's association with Barack. Hitchens was on Real Time and admitted that he was sort of going "queer" for Obama. He thought he had a great voice and said some very nice things of Obama in comparison to Hillary. In these clips, he explains why he doesn't like the religious aspect. I think he may admire Barack the man while being disappointed in Barack's religious beliefs.

Here's the YouTube clip if anyone's interested. The pertinent section is at the last couple minutes of part 4 and overlaps into the first few minutes of part 5:

Part4

Part5

Re: Dear Bill and Hillary, Please Stop Yer Bitchin

Truthseeker — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:38:00 -0000

@ Jack Turner,

The Clinton's have a lot of blood on their hands. Bill was Governor of Arkansas in the 80's and is connected with a blood scandal where tens of thousands of people were infected with HIV & Hep-C here in Canada and several other countries. The blood was drawn from visibly ill prisoners in the Arkansas prison system. While Clinton is not wholly responsible, it's interesting to see his name pop up in the unlikeliness places. It really is a small world after all, isn't it?

here's a site with compilation of news stories over the years:

Clinton's blood

Re: Dear Bill and Hillary, Please Stop Yer Bitchin

Truthseeker — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:51:00 -0000

Re Healthcare

I can't tell how many times I've gotten into arguments with neo-con whackos who think Universal Health care is Socialism or Communism. They lie to Americans and say Canadians have to line up for health care, that it was like 3rd world conditions yada yada..

Canadians pay for Health Care via taxes. We choose our doctors and no money changes hands.

Sicko, did a lot to dispel some of these lies that have been used to keep Americans enslaved. Then, a few weeks ago 60 Minutes did a piece on Remote Area Medical which was eye-opening...as they were doing their charity work in America and there were people who drove from other states just to be seen by a doctor. Here's the YouTube clip for anyone who missed it:

Remote Area Medical on 60 Minutes

Re: The George W. Bush Sewage Plant? Perfect

Truthseeker — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:10:00 -0000

Great, then they should divert the pipes to his ranch in Texas.

Re: The Attacks on Howard Dean

Truthseeker — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:14:00 -0000

Jack Cafferty just had a piece on how Obama's lowered Hillary's lead to 9 points. Cafferty also pointed out Obama won Texas, negating the Clinton big state argument.

Re: Much Respect To Bill Richardson

Truthseeker — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:34:00 -0000

If someone gives you a couple jobs, do they own you for life? It really is disrespectful; it implies Richardson couldn't make it on his own, and owes his entire career to the Clinton's. Throwing your lot in with the Clinton's is like a deal with the devil.

I don't care what he told the Clinton's, what matters is what he DID.

Re: Views of Obama from ‘ The Other Side’

Truthseeker — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:10:00 -0000

Re Amy Holmes...she did an interview at the Q&A; cafe. Multi-part video on YouTube. Here's one part where she talks about the election and Barack and Bob Johnson etc.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rLeWB7Mei_s

Re: Dear Bill and Hillary, Please Stop Yer Bitchin

Truthseeker — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:21:00 -0000

@ Rikyrah,

Yes, Hitchens asks some hard questions about Mother Theresa. I learned growing up that she was a saint..it was accepted wisdom. This documentary offers a different perspective. Hitchens questions Mother Theresa and her relation to the Catholic church. He questions the anti-contraception and abortion ideology pushed by Catholicism in poor nations and it's complicity with murderous dictators. He seems to think Mother Theresa was used by the religious organization to further it's economy of death.

It seems suffering is a kind of economy on which religion is dependent. It seems religious "leaders" have made peace with the economy from which they benefit.

Rev. Wright and his colleagues showed up at the White House breakfast to give Bill a cachet of piety during his impeachment. I do not think a single person brought up the subject of Rwanda or Bosnia while there. Who are these religious leaders, really? Are they beyond reproach?

Hitchens often is sweatily arrogant. If you can overcome this and the ominous, devilish lighting, what he says is thought-provoking:

Hell's Angel p1

Hell's Angel p2

Hell's Angel p3

Re: Obama Breaks $40 Million Fundraising for March

Truthseeker — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:33:00 -0000

Hey, can anybody tell me how to RSS the comments on posts?

Re: Obama Breaks $40 Million Fundraising for March

Truthseeker — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:26:00 -0000

Thanks..in the time being, I've used live bookmarks. I'm sure there's a better way though.

Re: Obama Breaks $40 Million Fundraising for March

Truthseeker — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:48:00 -0000

I read Clinton raised 20 mil but won't release actual numbers until April 20. I can feel this all winding down for her now. But the 40 mil for Obama sounds suspiciously low. Maybe they're withholding the actual number for political leverage later on.

Re: Much Respect To Bill Richardson

Truthseeker — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:13:00 -0000

@ craig hickman

..and those "leaders" are probably going to break his legs if he doesn't deliver. So, don't be mad when his face gets red and that finger starts wagging...he's fighting for his life!

Re: Former President Jimmy Carter Endorses Obama… Basically

Truthseeker — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:27:00 -0000

Hey, did you guys ever see this? When Nadra mentioned Cher and Jane Fonda, I remembered I saw this YT video where Marianne Williamson talks about Obama and an intimate part of her body :)

I'm NOT gonna vote with my vagina!

Re: Obama Breaks $40 Million Fundraising for March

Truthseeker — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:18:00 -0000

HOLY SHIT!....Jack and Jill was on Anderson 360!!!

Re: Obama Breaks $40 Million Fundraising for March

Truthseeker — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 01:16:00 -0000

Geraldine on Fox whining about 25 people in Texas trying to get her fired. It must be coordinated by the campaign, she says. I've got an African American secretary, she says. She better not ask that secretary for coffee. And, that's 25 people in Texas who hate her guts. I don't know why, she reminds me of the woman in "The Color Purple" - the woman who got Sophia sent to jail. Squirrelly and annoying.

Re: Remembering Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Truthseeker — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:06:00 -0000

I love the symbolism of Obama not going to the scene of death. It shows he intends to live. It shows he intends to achieve what Dr. King himself could only dream of, but died for Barack to be able to achieve. Barack stands in the moment of now and takes hold of a dream that has become reality. Barack is positioning himself as President NOW, he replaces within our consciousness, the image of grief with an image of hope.

Bravo Barack!

Re: Media Coverage Masks McCain’s Martin Luther King Racism

Truthseeker — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 11:44:00 -0000

I saw that Texas Girl. The comments were almost all in opposition. He's nothing if not intelligent, and I'd always thought highly of Cornel West. However, who is Dr. West and why should Barack care about his approval? I guess Obama's nobody's whipping boy. He is his own man and will not pander to anyone - black nor white.

Re: CNN Does Disservice To Black Bloggers And JJP Specifically (Updated!)

Truthseeker — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 12:00:00 -0000

nita,

He/She has not taken a name because the deliberate act of not taking a name is the cyberspace equivalent to klansmen wearing hoods. It's similar to a criminal wearing a mask..they are up to dastardly deeds an don't want to be known. It's also a psychological tactic intended to disorient and instill fear.

Re: Convince the Superdelegate

Truthseeker — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 21:41:00 -0000

Yeah, Clinton's a high volume bullsh*t factory.

Re: Open Thread: Ann Coulter and Other Republicans Compare Obama to Hitler

Truthseeker — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:44:00 -0000

@ ann

ann, you're full of crap. Not only are you full of crap, but you're probably a 300 lb, hostile, neo nazi, republican male sitting in your basement channeling Goering.

Nothing you said is factually correct. Nothing you said is even close to being factually correct. Nothing you said is remotely interesting; however, you thing using words like "factually" lends credence to your shit frosted ,garbage cake.

Now, I know that you think you can foresee the future in addition to being a channeler; well, I am psychic too and will give you a free reading:

Barack will be nominated. Barack will win the general election. Barack will kick McCain's behind. Barack will go down in history as one of the best Presidents. You will be sitting in your basement in your soiled undershorts watching it all happen. While observing this, you will scratch your ass and wonder why your life sucks.

Re: Civil Rights Groups Wither - New Ones Taking Their Place

Truthseeker — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 11:43:00 -0000

I suppose in many ways the internet can be used for good but also used for misinformation and propaganda. The internet is just an efficient delivery mechanism for ideas.

for example, have any of you guys ever tried to post on the Hillary blogs? I read it occasionally to see what her supporters are thinking. Some posters complain their blogs aren't posted. I posted something and it didn't show up :). It's fascinating to see some repeat her talking points verbatim saying she has experience and he has only a speech.

They censor posts heavily and encourage the spreading of misinformation. They feed of each others misinformation. Posters are writing to the DNC and Obama campaign demanding the MI & FL delegates be seated as is. I think deep down they know this isn't fair 'cause they try to rationalize it with very bizarre reasoning, but are opposed to a 50/50 split. There is no recognition that the authority of the DNC can't be undermined by rewarding the states that broke the DNC rules, they just want their candidate to win. There is no effort to set the record straight over there.

Re: Civil Rights Groups Wither - New Ones Taking Their Place

Truthseeker — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:27:00 -0000

@ denise,

With regard to this race only, anecdotally I would say the Hillary campaign is guilty of doing this far more than is possible for the Obama campaign. I don't know if it's because Hillary is losing, which forces her supporters to scrape the barrel for inspiration. Or, if it's a result of the misinformation being fed to them from the campaign itself. For instance, the campaign says Barack is blocking the re-votes in MI & FL...but the truth is he has no authority over that. When the Clinton campaign proposed privately financing the re-votes, Obama had legitimate concerns over the poor precedent that would set with regard to democracy. It is clear also, he doesn't want to usurp the authority of the DNC which has already ruled on the situation...that would create problems for the party in the future. For Hillary to say he wants to disenfranchise the voters is untrue, but her supporters keep repeating it even though deep down, I think they know it's not true .. or fair.

Re: Open Thread: Ann Coulter and Other Republicans Compare Obama to Hitler

Truthseeker — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:44:00 -0000

@ ann

I'm not buying any of that nonsense. I know exactly what you're doing. You blur the edges of the truth just enough hoping to create the slightest doubt.

First of all, there is no proof that anything you said about your location, height, weight is true. You say you live in a diverse community to create the false impression that you - by extension - are also "diverse". The rest of your post is wishful thinking/misinformation. If you know Barack will lose, that should be comfort enough; yet, you make the effort to return here time and again to convince people who support him.

It's not working, 600lb, neo nazi, male Republican shut-in! You're going to have to be a lot more skilled to control the mind of anyone here. Your candidate McCain will lose ..that's if he doesn't keel over dead first.

Re: More Hillary Deception On Her Iraq Record. Enough!

Truthseeker — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:30:00 -0000

She has a dictator's flair. This is what they do..erase things that don't look favourable.

If Hillary was POTUS, by the time she got through with America, none of you would know anymore what the truth is. She would wear you down with the lying, emotionally exhaust the country. People naturally think Bush Jr. is rock bottom...but they have no idea it could get much worse, that there could be someone more sinister, calculating and destructive.

Re: More Hillary Deception On Her Iraq Record. Enough!

Truthseeker — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:37:00 -0000

Yeah Msmartin, Rikyrah and Michelle, great posts!

Re: More Hillary Deception On Her Iraq Record. Enough!

Truthseeker — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:45:00 -0000

Yeah, I did have trouble on the weekend. I thought it might have to do with heavier traffic from the exposure on CNN.

Re: More Hillary Deception On Her Iraq Record. Enough!

Truthseeker — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:05:00 -0000

This young Obama supporter asks a tough question at a Hillary rally. Then she spins the answer...notice when she says she doesn't take things said about her personally or SERIOUSLY.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BvNVtxFw8t4

Re: Hillary " Tonya Harding" Clinton’s Colombia Ties DON’T Stop With Penn

Truthseeker — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:02:00 -0000

Hey, do you think this is a money issue? He's demoted, but will still do polling in a reduced capacity. I just have a feeling the campaign's strapped for cash and having trouble paying staff. We know his fees were in the hundreds of thousands per month....

They've got a new thing on the website where donations are geared to specific items like tv airtime etc. You choose what you'd like to contribute to, but the numbers are not climbing very fast.

I have a hunch her campaign is winding down because of low donations. Many of her supporters will not be happy about her income. Hillary has used the poor, victimized woman to generate sympathy and financial support. Now that these women - many of modest means - see that Hillary is incredibly wealthy, they'll be reluctant to donate. I think of that 40 year old who made $14 per hour, and skipped lunches to donate $25. I think if that was me I'd feel sort of foolish.

Re: CNN Post-Show, Ari Fleischer In The Green Room and More

Truthseeker — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 05:01:00 -0000

Good quickie Jack! The dark jacket and white shirt was crisp and created nice contrast.

Re: I’ve Had Quite Enough Of Christopher Hitchens

Truthseeker — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 05:04:00 -0000

@ king,

do you want to "harmonize" with the races?

Re: I’ve Had Quite Enough Of Christopher Hitchens

Truthseeker — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 05:21:00 -0000

@ christian progressive,

I observe that when Chris drinks, he sweats and is more insecure, cutting people off mid-sentence, not observing those social niceties. I don't exactly see moisture, it's more of an impression of sweatiness. He appears less "sweaty" these days, and drinks lots of water during interviews. Maybe he's overcome the liquor demons.

I am not fond of the white man's variation of the Jewish god...fictitious though he be. It is ironic that this authoritarian, punitive god would come to be so beloved by Americans of African descent. Though he slay them, yet will they trust him.

Re: Run, Condi, Run?

Truthseeker — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:25:00 -0000

Huh, I don't think I've ever heard it said that Dr. Rice is presidential material. She seems too willing to be a puppet for Bush jr. What was her position during Katrina? Who is she really..does anyone know?

I do know though, that on the surface she would be the perfect antidote to nullify the black man President threat, what is softer and less threatening than a black woman VICE President? But, if McCain dies could Condoleeza be President? I think you either have the hunger or you don't, and she has said repeatedly she has no interest. Why would people trust the abrupt about-face.

Re: Run, Condi, Run?

Truthseeker — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:48:00 -0000

..and another thing about journalists comparing real life to a reality show as if our lives are for their entertainment. Is Condoleeza the equivalent to the ex girlfriend who has a walk on appearance just to stir things up? Or does her insertion into the 08 race present a much more meaningful narrative?

The politicians who triangulate and create new realities to manipulate the people - and the media who fill their 24 hour coverage by mocking us. They better be careful, as they test the patience of the people. One day they might find themselves being dragged before the firing squad as America descends into madness.

Re: CNN Post-Show, Ari Fleischer In The Green Room and More

Truthseeker — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:33:00 -0000

Oh for pete's sake! Jack was in the newsroom!

Re: Hillary says Memphis National Champ Despite KU Having More Points

Truthseeker — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:33:00 -0000

What is striking is how women who support her agree with this line of thinking. I presume these same women tell their children about right and wrong and fairness. Yet, they think it is perfectly fine to change the rules to make their candidate "win".

But, I guess people just want to feel better about themselves. Really, it feels lousy to be on the losing team. It's a letdown when your candidate screws up..and Hill's been screwing up royally. It feels like crap to donate and not get a receipt or have your credit card double charged, then refunded.

I don't know if women especially have an extraordinary ability to rationalize things and see what they want to see...maybe the battered woman syndrome. Women often make excuses for people and situations that make them feel like crap. Maybe that's why there are so many women in the misogynistic, Christian pews on Sunday.

Re: Hitchens, The Black Church and Empowerment in Chicago

Truthseeker — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:45:00 -0000

@ anonymous

I see you've been feeding at the Fox News trough. Why do you ask if he's trying to bamboozle white voters rather than just all voters?

I have news for you, America IS radical:

Preachers who rail against homosexuals and abortion and great whores of Babylon. Polygamist cults. Mormonism. Fox News. Republican ideology, tax cuts for all. Vilifying of Universal Health care. Struggles over whether to elect a woman or black man while the rest of the world has moved on..long ago. Rejection of science and evolution.

It is impossible to exist in America without crossing paths with nutjobs. It is whether you believe you own mythology instead of the reality.

Re: They Need Less Stupid

Truthseeker — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:49:00 -0000

@ anonymous

Silence, Republican!

Re: Run, Condi, Run?

Truthseeker — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:55:00 -0000

@ admiral komack

I heard that story, but couldn't find any verification it did happen. But, I don't recall any outrage from her either. I do remember her speaking strongly and angrily in favour of Bush's policies though.

Re: Hitchens, The Black Church and Empowerment in Chicago

Truthseeker — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:37:00 -0000

@ Anonymous,

while white America ponders the danger of so-called black radicals...China is quietly pwning your asses. If black radicals had the desire to harm white America, you would have been toast long ago. Yes, Barack will face those silly questions when they present themselves...but really, what a waste and a distraction!

Re: They Need Less Stupid

Truthseeker — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:41:00 -0000

Do you trust that Barack has his campaign under control? I think he does and they will deal with the tarnishing.

Re: I’ve Had Quite Enough Of Christopher Hitchens

Truthseeker — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:04:00 -0000

@ king,

Farrakhan doesn't "have the stage". Are you saying you believe that after 400 years of slavery and jim crow that Farahkhan is the singular impediment to racial harmony? Are you saying that if Farrakhan would just go away, whites would be able to accept blacks?

If your concern is racial harmony, take a black fellow American out for coffee one day. Talk to him or her as a human being. Ask him or her about family, hopes and dreams.

And remember, while you worry about petty so-called victories and divisiveness, China is owning your behinds; but, Republicans don't have any answers except war and tax cuts. Time has passed you by, but you're too dumb to see it. You just haven't been slapped around by Republican policies enough...you need to have your ribs broken as well. Well, some people don't want to be slapped around anymore.

Re: Hillary says Memphis National Champ Despite KU Having More Points

Truthseeker — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:20:00 -0000

@ anonymous

In what specific way is it offensive?

I've read her blog comments extensively as well as the comment sections of blogs. I find - anecdotally - that most of the Hillary supporters who comment are female. I find a certain tone to their comments. There is a sense of being victimized, piled upon, a strong emotional attachment to Hillary and her perceived victimization as being their own. I don't know how else I can explain the rejection of principles of basic fairness in favour of blind support.

I have considered myself something of a feminist; however, what I see there gives me pause. The prevailing wisdom has been that women are kind, compassionate, honourable, smart etc. I am seeing that women are making donations, not getting receipts and their primary concern is not whether they are unprotected in the event of a dispute, but rather whether the Campaign got the donation. These women don't notice that on Hillary's blog there is not a single, dissenting comment. I am seeing a side of women that doesn't not make me proud. Perhaps I expected better of them.

In the same way Christianity collided with my feminism..so too does my previous feminism collide with my humanism.

I think now I am no longer a feminist, but a humanist.

Re: Hitchens, The Black Church and Empowerment in Chicago

Truthseeker — Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:31:00 -0000

@ anonymous 7:07,

The bible supports war. In addition to being about oil, the Iraqi occupation is also about religion. It was an easy target in the sense that it's army was virtually non-existent and it's Muslim population cowed by a dictator and economic sanctions. What better Muslim country to occupy than Iraq?

Evangelicals support the war based on Judeo-Christian, anti-Muslim beliefs. They are trying to bring about so-called end time events.

Re: The Honorable War Hero McCain Doesn’t Support A New GI Bill

Truthseeker — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:20:00 -0000

Why are you dictating HOW Jack can criticize McCain? Maybe you should have the whole conversation with yourself.

McCain is a warmonger. His YouTube channel design WAS dull, gunmetal grey with military imagery. It had red accents...I guess that represented blood. He's changed it recently to a dull, drab blue. He ok'd those colours because they are representative of his frame of mind.

He talks constantly about being a prisoner of war. He talks about matters related to combat. It is believed his hot temper is really Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. He's elderly, forgetful and angry. He thinks, talks, walks war. McCain is all-war-all-the-time. Mcain is terrified of losing the election. McCain gives ear to another warmonger: Joe Lieberman. McCain is hiding his medical records. McCain represents the past..and death. If you want to die, vote for McCain.

Re: The Honorable War Hero McCain Doesn’t Support A New GI Bill

Truthseeker — Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:21:00 -0000

Right,

You see it right before your eyes but you don't believe it. Do you think people didn't see what Bush jr. was going to be like?

McCain has a bad attitude and something to prove...a dangerous combination.

Re: Bill Clinton Is Incredible, Now Lying About Lies

Truthseeker — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:44:00 -0000

Sometimes I wonder if Bill subconsciously doesn't want Hillary to win. Then again, as Rikyrah said, maybe this is a distraction from something far worse...

The panel Blitzer had on laughed off the Clinton & McCain responses to this new "gaffe" of Barack's at his fundraiser.

Re: Obama Accused of Being Elitist

Truthseeker — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:16:00 -0000

I'm so pissed off I'm going to spam CNN.

Re: Obama Accused of Being Elitist

Truthseeker — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:18:00 -0000

Hey Rikyrah,

here's Barack's response:

Video of Barack responding

I wonder if Errol's just trying to keep his job lol. He did give a backhand to Clinton with the comment about her promising 200,000 jobs in New York but 6 years later there's a net loss of 30,000 jobs...sigh.

Re: Open Thread- What’s Up?

Truthseeker — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:48:00 -0000

He should turn that around and ask if whites would have been poor and struggling without the slave labour that founded and built America or the assistance of Native Indians.

Re: Obama Accused of Being Elitist

Truthseeker — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:00:00 -0000

Hey Anonymous!

I think it's YOU who's not closing the deal. Keep trying though...remember what Barack said, HOPE!

Re: Obama Accused of Being Elitist

Truthseeker — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:03:00 -0000

Heh heh....You are the idealist. You REALLY believe you're swaying people to your position with bullet points and all!

Re: Obama Accused of Being Elitist

Truthseeker — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:58:00 -0000

Projecting again anonymous? Don't worry, Barack's tide will lift all boats...even Republican ones.

Re: Bill Clinton Is Incredible, Now Lying About Lies

Truthseeker — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 04:58:00 -0000

Don't worry anonymous. Barack will demolish McCain . No one wants an old, tired, cantankerous, out-of-touch, already dead man for President - so they won't vote for McCain. America knows Barack has what they desperately need. Take heart, Barack will save America from China.

Re: Obama Accused of Being Elitist

Truthseeker — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:44:00 -0000

Canapes by the Bay....isn't that stereotyping a whole group of Americans - who according to the citizen reporter who was there - were not wealthy?

Now, why would a mild-mannered, honest man frighten people like you so much?

Re: Obama Accused of Being Elitist

Truthseeker — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:13:00 -0000

b-serious,

Hillary actually implied Barack supporters were delusional. There was no "Hillary slams young America" ticker on the Lou Dobbs show.

People like Dobbs make a living from milking the bitterness of small town America. Of course his show would deny that that bitterness exists.

Many times, Obama has had the opportunity to bash Hillary's head in..but he's held back. His campaign hasn't jumped on this Columbia thing..and now, he's back on the defensive.

Re: Obama Accused of Being Elitist

Truthseeker — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:39:00 -0000

I think America is out of time. Americans know things have gotten dramatically worse under Republican leadership, they know conservative ideology is a crock of shit. Obama will prevail, America doesn't have another 8 years to throw away on an insane Republican ideology.

I know, conservatives think they are operating on a sophisticated assessment of policy and ideology. But the truth is, you're tapping into baser, predatory instincts.

Conservatism has FAILED..good luck convincing Americans to give you another 4 to 8 years to complete the destruction.

Re: Obama Accused of Being Elitist

Truthseeker — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 12:12:00 -0000

@ kim,

er...I think Obama said exactly how they feel: bitter. How is that a disconnect? Are you saying they're actually happy?

The idea they have a "profoundly different worldview" is the truly divisive idea. Take a wealthy person, put them in the same circumstances, and they would begin to feel the same way the rural, small-towners do.

Who said anything about revolution, or hunting? Barack said guns...referring to the gun rights crowd. Why do these people need "comfort" from religion? Could it be because they are bitter? Could it be they are as angry as Rev. Wright?

If the previous Presidents were for all America, then why isn't all America prospering?

If small-towners energies are invested in parsing statements rather than looking at the condition of their lives, then clearly the ruling class has won. It has successfully distracted them from their own good.

Re: Obama Accused of Being Elitist

Truthseeker — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:07:00 -0000

@ kim

In the original statement, Obama made a link between the values of these white voters and their bitterness. Anyone would be deeply offended by that. Suggesting that people are voting against their own best interest and telling them how they need to vote was elitist.

You've made a link between WHITE voters as having certain values that Obama himself did not make. You also extrapolate that these WHITE voters are fundamentally different from economically depressed voters across the rest of the country. This predatory thinking is what keeps these voters oppressed. That predatory thinking is the true elitism.

Barack told no one how they need to vote; but, if they were voting for their best interests, their lives would demonstrate that.

What is your agenda? Do you want their lives to improve, or do you want to soothe/numb them with resentment? From bitterness to resentment...I suppose that's an improvement.

Re: Obama Accused of Being Elitist

Truthseeker — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 13:49:00 -0000

@ kim

I suppose that it's why, I took offense to Obama's statement

So, the conclusion is that Barack is ignorant, the white person off the Main Line in Philly is ignorant, but you are smart. Ok, so what now?

I don't understand how your own poverty was not sufficient to make you bitter, but one statement by Obama - taken out of context - has the power to deeply offend you.

Re: Obama Accused of Being Elitist

Truthseeker — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:14:00 -0000

@ kim

I hate what this presidential race has done to black people. Black people have closed their mind to reason. Every slight against Obama is racism. Every black person who doesn't fawn over his greatness is a Tom or hater.

And so, would it be better to go back to how things were before Barack ran for President? It seems you want things to go back to the status quo...it sucks but at least it's known, right?

I see something very different. I see young people of colour with hope in their eyes like the whole world just opened up to them. They're excited and thinking of going into community organizing and politics. I see white kids with their faces turned up to Obama like flowers to the sun, because he gives voice to everything they've been thinking. I see relief on people's faces.

Blacks are fiercely protective of Obama and rightly so. If he cannot count on us then who can he count on? Right now, he is battling McCain, Hillary and the entire insane right wing movement..should he fight us too?

The word "fawn" implies undeserved adoration. Barack does deserve praise..he has done what many never even dreamed possible. People of all races are shaking their heads at his masterful campaign, fund raising and grass roots network. Do you have any idea how many volunteer networks there are??! Hillary and McCain, even with the example Barack has set cannot even successfully copy him! Hillary couldn't even figure out to fire Mark Penn even when she began losing! McCain can't sufficiently sense the mood of the country with regard to the economy. Yet, you judge Barack so harshly in comparison to those two losers??!!

I want to hear what you think of McCain and Hillary since you think Barack is elitist.

Re: Obama Accused of Being Elitist

Truthseeker — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:34:00 -0000

@ kim

That thing about poverty being the "hand you were dealt" and having a stiff upper lip is a myth. Those things are useless platitudes. This is what Barack is trying to convey. There is a specific connection between who you vote for and your economic circumstances. Poverty is not fate. You don't collect guns or to church to soothe your poverty...YOU VOTE DIFFERENT.

Also, just because your screen name is kim doesn't mean you're female. Just because you say you're black doesn't mean you are.

Re: Obama Accused of Being Elitist

Truthseeker — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:36:00 -0000

@ anonymous

kim's probably another male, Republican troll.

Re: We Are Now Officially At JackAndJillPolitics.com

Truthseeker — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:19:00 -0000

How do you get an RSS feed for the comments?

Re: Oh Yeah, Tavis Quit Tom Joyner - Oh, Oh, Oh!

Truthseeker — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:37:00 -0000

Is it true he just called up and said he quit?

That's pretty low down...but I felt that Tavis fundamentally doesn't respect fellow blacks. Colin Powell was on his show and he asked something along the lines of how Powell felt seeing Barack do what he(Powell) could have achieved. Powell looked a little irritated, and responded that he was pleased to see Barack's success...paraphrasing. What kind of question is that anyway? He was essentially asking the man if he was jealous. Anyway, I haven't seen him ask Hildebeast any uncomfortable questions; that's suspicious.

The Powell interview is on PBS.com

Re: Obama Accused of Being Elitist

Truthseeker — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:44:00 -0000

Ha! Yeah, I remember them good ole days when I went chicken hunting!

Re: Open Thread —- What’s Up?

Truthseeker — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:52:00 -0000

Nichelle,

yeah, that was a good article. It galled me when people suggested Michelle was ungrateful to America. What do they know what she went through? I - like every other Black person - knew the instant she said she went to Princeton and Harvard, the kinds of things she went through. Suggesting Michelle has no right to be critical seems an acknowledgment of the rarity of her experience.

Re: We Are Now Officially At JackAndJillPolitics.com

Truthseeker — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:54:00 -0000

@ ms.martin & jack

cool, thanks to you both.

Re: Easy Question: Are PA Voters Actually Offended? (updated with video)

Truthseeker — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:59:00 -0000

ms.martin, thanks for the info re RSS.

Lou Dobbs is on CNN being a pompous blowhard as usual...I've never seen a man so completely in love with himself. I always feel embarassed when I catch his show. I feel like I've walked in and caught someone masturbating. Then there's the Faith Forum. I bet they're going to hammer Obama about bitter gate. Sending him positive energy.

Re: Easy Question: Are PA Voters Actually Offended? (updated with video)

Truthseeker — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:04:00 -0000

Hillary's wearing a canary jacket, but on her, it just looks like pus mixed with phlegm. Right out of the gate the first question is about the bitter comment....this is a supposed compassion forum and it's being used to pander politically, I'm bitter about that!

Re: Easy Question: Are PA Voters Actually Offended? (updated with video)

Truthseeker — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:53:00 -0000

Obama was amazing! He really did a great job. I keep thinking this man is so reasonable, It's a feeling in your bones that he is being forthright. Her nasty opening comments made her look really bad in contrast to Obama's reasonable, thoughtful responses.

Of all the wonderful things said, CNN is now focusing on the "bitter" comment. Campbell says she doesn't think he's adequately explained it for some people..I wish someone would ask her to name those people!

Go Obama!

Re: Easy Question: Are PA Voters Actually Offended? (updated with video)

Truthseeker — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:59:00 -0000

YouTube video where Barack gets a little angry at the elitist accusation....

link

Re: Open Thread: Compassion Forum

Truthseeker — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:53:00 -0000

Soledad did a great job on that King documentary. Jack Cafferty's pretty cool too.

@ Rikyrah

someone in the comments section of that link asked why Hillary would insult Al Gore by suggesting he was defeated for being elitist. That is a really good point!

Re: Obama On Hillary "Annie Oakley" Clinton

Truthseeker — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 00:19:00 -0000

Hillary never learns. Every time she pulls this crap, it backfires. I'm really glad he responded in time for the coming week. Now, all week they'll be talking about Annie Oakley Clinton! LOL

Barack strikes me as one of those people impossible to fight with. He's so good natured, you end up looking and feeling stupid.

Re: Obama On Hillary "Annie Oakley" Clinton

Truthseeker — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:17:00 -0000

@ s

Faith in God and love of freedom are values that reside deeply and fervently in the soul of the vast majority of Americans. These beliefs and values are not contingent upon the promises of a politician and a government!

Mythological bullshit! If you believed in freedom so deeply, blacks wouldn't have been enslaved for 400 years. There is the myth of America and there is the reality. If you believed fervently in God you wouldn't wage unjust war.

You may not believe politicians can create favourable economic decisions but you clearly see they can create unfavourable ones. Keep thinking this, because there are people who benefit from your mistaken belief. They are busy lobbying the govt to create an economy favourable to them...and they are benefiting from it in the hundreds of billions of dollars! While they do this, you're distracted with the mythology, taking comfort in your guns.

The evidence is right here in your comment. Even though Americans are in a precarious economic situation, you insist in talking about their love of god and culture and self-reliance. These are your sacred cows...you worship the cows while the people starve.

Re: Obama On Hillary "Annie Oakley" Clinton

Truthseeker — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:21:00 -0000

@ nita

I heard she was ultimately trying to get people to stop talking about Columbia. But yeah, this stuff definitely backfires, for those who are allowed to pay attention.

Well, in that case, mission accomplished! Barack never really goes for the jugular. He brought it up briefly in his Annie Oakley speech, but he resisted dealing a fatal blow. I hope he sends out a mailer and does an ad with all her free trade shenanigans.

Re: Obama On Hillary "Annie Oakley" Clinton

Truthseeker — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:33:00 -0000

@ s

For me, it comes down to who is best equipped to improve my life...me or the government?

I believe in myself, my abilities and talents, and I will continue to than God daily for His blessings.

Is anyone telling you to stop relying on yourself?? Are Democrats physically preventing you from thanking god? Why is self-reliance the most important issue when people are literally losing their houses? And by the way, that god you claim to worship ...Jesus was renowned for his compassion and if he lived today would be considered a socialist! Jesus didn't turn his back on the poor and sick.

Re: Easy Question: Are PA Voters Actually Offended? (updated with video)

Truthseeker — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:48:00 -0000

@ s

The "less informed" part of your comment is key. The idea is, if they had been voting their best interest, wouldn't their lives reflect that. You are taking offense where none is intended. That knee-jerk emotional response is what political predators use to control your voting wisdom.

Re: Obama On Hillary "Annie Oakley" Clinton

Truthseeker — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:32:00 -0000

@ s

Your arguments are a series of logical fallacies mixed with emotional hot buttons, like religion and self-reliance. It is not rational to be deeply offended by someone saying you're bitter when you clearly are. You perpetuate the deception by feigning offense while ignoring real bitter emotions. You wax poetic about god and other mythologies while people suffer.

There is no evidence that blue collar voters are offended, first of all...people like you use feigned offense to further your goals; you are predatory in that respect.

I have always believed the self-reliance mantra to be a distraction used by predatory individuals who really want to take advantage of others...what better way to accomplish that than by preaching the gospel of independence.

Your philosophy is a predatory survival tactic, nothing more. This is what you and preachers, and so-called community leaders have in common, you're second tier predators.

Re: Obama On Hillary "Annie Oakley" Clinton

Truthseeker — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:42:00 -0000

@ s

If I say "you", I'm not necessarily referring you you personally, but to the collective "you" that your ideas represent.

But in both cases, there is also a failure on the part of the individual. How much did reliance on others, instead of oneself, be it the government or a bank, do great harm?

How is taking out a mortgage relying on the government instead of oneself? Are you saying that no one should own a home unless they can pay cash??

Re: How White Folks Keep It Real

Truthseeker — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:45:00 -0000

@ shakes her head and walks away

The fact that Obama is black is irrelevant to this issue. His intellectual snobbiness and the perception that doesn't get them and is talking down to them is the problem at hand. The fact that the comments were made to a group of "San Francisco liberals" just sealed the deal.

I have yet to hear any of these people say completely spontaneously that they are offended by Obama's comments. I'm willing to bet, without Hillary & McCain jumping on this and telling them how they should feel...none of the blue collars would even know about the statement or care. All I see is people telling the poor how they should feel instead of asking them.

You are predators. Most of you oppose Obama and look for reasons to persuade others to oppose him too. You were never going to vote for him anyway...the reasons are irrelevant.

Re: Monday Open Thread: Non-Election Discussion

Truthseeker — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:52:00 -0000

So, she took down her site. Brilliant.

Re: Obama On Hillary "Annie Oakley" Clinton

Truthseeker — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:01:00 -0000

@ s

You keep insisting that I don't know you....as if "you" is something other than the comments you post here. I am posting to a person known only by his/her ideas. I am referring to that "you" and to the wider community of people who also hold the same beliefs.

Forget the god bullcrap emotional hotbutton. I am not religious. Nobody desires you to do anything. Nobody gives a damn.

The borrower is still on the hook for the loan. So, how is taking out the loan not self-reliance?

Re: How White Folks Keep It Real

Truthseeker — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:13:00 -0000

Most Americans are generous, and favorably disposed towards strangers and eager to help the world.

based on what data? I am sure many Americans would be insulted by your wholesale characterization.

Re: From The Field In Erie, PA

Truthseeker — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:50:00 -0000

GQ blog interview with Bill Richardson

Slightly off topic..GQ interview with Bill Richardson. Richardson, sheds more light on the difficulty in deciding who to endorse, and his previous relationship with the Clinton's...very interesting!

Before you made the decision, were there people whose advice you were asking?

Well, my immediate staff. People that I relied on in my campaign—my campaign manager, my TV [person], they were all for Obama. But they knew how tough it was for me to do that. My wife wanted me to stay neutral.

Really?

And I listen to her a lot. And that was a factor.

Would you do it any differently? Was there something the other side did to piss you off?

No.

Was there anything more to it?

Well, a couple of times they pissed me off, yeah. I mean, there were a couple of surrogates that said, "You owe him" and "You're being dishonorable by not endorsing." I said, "Well, how do you figure that?" I served him well. I was somebody before I was in the cabinet; I was rescuing hostages and bringing peace before. He gave me two great opportunities. I was loyal to him during Lewinsky. You know, when he needed friends, I was there. I've always been there for him. I helped him get elected in '92. I was elected governor without him. You know, I'm Bill Richardson.

Re: Oreos & Coconuts: Do blacks and Asians have to behave like white people to succeed?

Truthseeker — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:56:00 -0000

@ s

You might want to schedule a re-shedding.

Re: Republican Rep: Obama A "Boy"

Truthseeker — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:07:00 -0000

Yep, with the Ferraro thing now...except this time from a black man to avoid the charge of racism.

I don't know, does a cushion of wealth cause you to lose your self respect?

Re: Tuesday Open Thread: What’s Up, People?

Truthseeker — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:15:00 -0000

At Huffington post Cindy's ripping off food network recipes as her own.

GQ blog has great interview with Gov. Richardson. He talks more about endorsing Obama and the backlash.

Re: Tuesday Open Thread: What’s Up, People?

Truthseeker — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:13:00 -0000

I'm kinda pissed off at Barack lately. Chris Matthews echoed my feelings earlier today when he said Barack had the Tuzla incident and his campaign didn't capitalize on it. I find he does these half-hearted attacks and backs off before landing a blow. All that hard work campaigning in PA gone to waste by Hillary dragging out one off-hand comment. He could have smashed her head in with Columbia and Tuzla ...but silence.

I read in a blog that he said that he'd been trying not to damage her during the primary..but I think he has an obligation to fight hard. All those people out canvassing and donating for a year ...he's got to fight too. He holds responsibility in this thing dragging out longer than necessary. If he doesn't knock her out when he gets an opening. But I think Barack has a stubborn streak.

Re: Tuesday Open Thread: What’s Up, People?

Truthseeker — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:38:00 -0000

I read that Nation of Bridges one...it was good.

Re: Tuesday Open Thread: What’s Up, People?

Truthseeker — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:18:00 -0000

Jamaal on Larry King made a really great point re the "elitist" attacks. He said Barack has done everything expected of him..studied hard, gave back to his community and yet the Clinton campaign was calling him elitist. He went on to say it wasn't good for our children to get that message when we're trying to get them to do the right things. It was an excellent point, and Nutter jumped in and gave a ridiculous non-answer ending with this is a campaign and things are said. He couldn't allow the point to stand.

It was clear there was a little rivalry between him and Jamaal, with Nutter's responses taking on a jeering quality.

Re: BBC Interviews BET CEO Debra Lee About Obama

Truthseeker — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 01:00:00 -0000

She looked great...but I found the interview slightly awkward. Possibly because Stephen seemed a little tense. He talked far too much and she didn't get the chance to do her thing. You know how sometimes in an interview there's just a easy back and forth and good timing? Well, I didn't feel that. She was charming nonetheless and she looked lovely in blue.

Re: BBC Interviews BET CEO Debra Lee About Obama

Truthseeker — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 01:01:00 -0000

..I think Stephen was a little flustered. LOL

Re: Wednesday Open Thread - Holla at us!!

Truthseeker — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 11:23:00 -0000

Bruce Springsteen endorses Obama!....BORN IN THE USA!!! Take that Hildebeast!
Springsteen endorses Obama!

Vote for Obama in Time most influential People. I hear Rev. Wright is on the list too.

Vote for Obama at TIME

State Dept warns diplomats of compulsory Iraq service. Ha!

Compulsory Iraq service for Diplomats

Man in Clinton Bitter ad not registered to vote in PA! He's from New Jersey! He said he explained this to the Clinton Campaign.

Poor Hillary, she just doesn't have any luck

Re: Wednesday Open Thread - Holla at us!!

Truthseeker — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 11:34:00 -0000

@ john shreffler
That Jedreport video was great! Everybody, view it, rate and comment..(even just one word) to bump it up in honors.

Re: Wednesday Open Thread - Holla at us!!

Truthseeker — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 11:37:00 -0000

@ Craig Hickman

did McCain say that!?? Outrageous!

Re: Wednesday Open Thread - Holla at us!!

Truthseeker — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:27:00 -0000

This was a great comment on DailyKos. The question was why doesn't Hillary accept that it's over:

because they are stuck in stages 1-3 (3+ / 0-)

Recommended by:

neroden, doinaheckuvanutjob, Sharon Wraight

of the 5 stages of grief.

1. Denial: "It can't be happening." (I am not losing!)

2. Anger: "Why me? It's not fair." (Caucuses are unfair! Bill Richardson is a Judas!)

3. Bargaining: "Just let me live to see my children graduate." (Maybe he can be my veep? Maybe the superdelegates will save me?)

Once Hillary starts looking depressed, you will know she is on her way to acceptance.

wikipedia

If you love Bush, Vote John McCain '08

by biscobosco on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 10:20:50 PM PDT

Re: Barack Obama: Elitist or Uppity Nigger

Truthseeker — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:02:00 -0000

Mrs. McCain, aka wind-up Cindy came out and said "I don't know if you've heard those comments but I'm proud of my country." She was referring to Michelle Obama's statement. It NEVER occurred to wind-up trust fund Cindy that ANYONE could have a different experience than she had. It never occurred to her that in college, Michelle bunked with a white roomate who tried to get herself transferred to another dorm room because she didn't want to share a room with a BLACK WOMAN!

Of course Stepford Cindy is proud. She got a deal with the Feds after stealing pills. She inherited 100 million that she didn't have to work for...GO USA!

Re: Barack Obama: Elitist or Uppity Nigger

Truthseeker — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:04:00 -0000

Obama's point about arugula was that the farmers were not growing crops that could make money; and, when they do, they are not getting a fair price...but, nice try Tom.

Re: Barack Obama: Elitist or Uppity Nigger

Truthseeker — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:14:00 -0000

The white man's sport

The election for President has always been the white man's game. In this game they dominate, they excel. They know the passes and rules. White men know how to WIN! Black men don't do so well in this sport. They flounder as they attempt to play by rules they don't clearly understand..and they FAIL. Then...along came Barack! A black man with mad skills. But, Barack didn't play by the rules..he reset the rules to impossibly high standards. Barack didn't just beat his opponent, HE BEAT THE GAME!....sora like, like....TIGER WOODS.

The white men are mad. They grumble that whenever one of THOSE guys learn to play our game, they end up beating us! They want the black man to stick to his own sports: rapping and bastketball. Now, there's going to be millions of inner city coloured kids training to break into our sport...GODDAMN IT, we can't let him win!

Re: Michelle Obama On Colbert

Truthseeker — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:23:00 -0000

I dunno, these Comedy Central embed videos never play for me...I have to go to their site. I don't know if that's normal?

Anyway, YouTube's got the video also:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7AqmLH9z9Qw

Re: Hillary On Working Class Whites In 1995: "Screw ‘Em"

Truthseeker — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:44:00 -0000

I've been thinking for some time that the Clinton's are trying to swich places with Obama...like bodysnatchers.

They try to adopt his message of change and hope(unsuccessfully) while accusing him of things they've done in the past. It is uncanny, how with every attack, it is later discovered the Clinton's said or did it first.

Maybe they see his success and adoration as rightfully theirs. What Obama now receives is what they dreamed they would. So, accuse him of being divisive. Call him a plagiarist. Say he's using Republican attacks...all things attributed to the Clinton's. Bring Obama down to their level and then switch places. It strikes me that this is how someone acts when they're deeply JEALOUS!

Re: BBC Interviews BET CEO Debra Lee About Obama

Truthseeker — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:59:00 -0000

I hate BET. It's part of my basic cable package so I can't remove it. I never tune in anymore, the first few times it appalled me how bad the programming was. They have the opportunity to invest in uplifting programming for the black community, and provide jobs to black actors, but they make a willful choice not to. BET chooses instead to milk the young black community for dollars.

Re: Hillary On Working Class Whites In 1995: "Screw ‘Em"

Truthseeker — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:54:00 -0000

Vote for Obama at TIME 100 most influential:

Vote for Obama at TIME!!!

IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY, PLEASE

VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOOOOOOOOOOOTE!!!!!!

At 12:43 he was at #35, by 6:44 he was at #18!!!!!

Rev. Wright is on the list too.

Re: Barack Obama: Elitist or Uppity Nigger

Truthseeker — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:56:00 -0000

Re: Most Folks Don’t Care About Rev Wright "Issue" & Want Superdelegates To Go With The People

Truthseeker — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:58:00 -0000

Re: Barack Obama: Elitist or Uppity Nigger

Truthseeker — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:00:00 -0000

@ s

That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard...think about it. You are astoundingly manipulative.

Re: Hillary On Working Class Whites In 1995: "Screw ‘Em"

Truthseeker — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:21:00 -0000

Holy Shit!!!!!..Obama nailed her!!!!

Re: Philly Debate Open Thread

Truthseeker — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:19:00 -0000

He should never have agreed to a debate on ABC...those right wing f*ckers! ABC, the home of Elisabeth Hasselbeck.

He had the most questions and the most follow-up questions! Obama

They didn't ask her about Columbia or Mark Penn or Bill Clinton...all current, close associates! But Ayers, someone who live in his neighborhood, he has to answer for??!!

Re: Philly Debate Open Thread

Truthseeker — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:21:00 -0000

Now, I think I can understand why dictators crack down on the media. Right now, I'd like to throw all of them in jail.

Re: Philly Debate Open Thread

Truthseeker — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:31:00 -0000

nope b-serious, it's not just you. That Gibson is argumentative to Obama..and interrupts him frequently.

Re: Philly Debate Open Thread

Truthseeker — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:42:00 -0000

Now they say they're short on time for the critical issues...after spending 30 minutes talking about non-issues.

Re: Philly Debate Open Thread

Truthseeker — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:53:00 -0000

angela,

what did you expect him to "do".

Re: Barack Obama: Elitist or Uppity Nigger

Truthseeker — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:00:00 -0000

@ s

like I said, you're pathologically manipulative. That is a character trait of predatory reptiles. Humans have the potential to evolve beyond the reptilian model.

Re: Philly Debate Open Thread

Truthseeker — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:09:00 -0000

Ironically, compared to Gibson, Stephanoupoulus was harder on Clintonn than Obama from what I could see. At one point, Gibson - in asking Clinton a question - said he didn't get an answer from Obama! He is the moderator, if he felt he didn't get an answer, he had the power to ask again.
Why would he create an impression Obama was being evasive?

Re: Philly Debate Open Thread

Truthseeker — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:10:00 -0000

I am going to spam ABC.

Re: Philly Debate Open Thread

Truthseeker — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:43:00 -0000

They were in PA and pressed the issue of capital gains!!! This is a debate between two Democrats and they asked a McCain question about raising taxes??!!!!

Re: Philly Debate Open Thread

Truthseeker — Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:53:00 -0000

Here's my complaint email to ABC..one of many to come:

I am disgusted by what I witnessed tonight on what should have been a Democratic debate. The audience was restrained from applauding because this was supposedly a debate for Pennsylvanians; however, there was not a single question asked about trade. In an economically devastated region, there was not a single question about creating jobs but Charlie Gibson pressed the issue of capital gains in an argumentative style not appropriate for a debate. This debate was a insult to the American people

they limit the characters you can type. I am soooo enraged.

Re: Philly Debate Open Thread

Truthseeker — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:50:00 -0000

@ angela,

volunteers work hard, but I don't think it can compare to the pressure Obama is under. I heard him say he gets 4 hours sleep...this is weeks on end. He has to prepare for every appearance. Can you imagine the loads of material he has to go through to prepare for debate? Think of the constant traveling. He has been doing this for close to 2 years! A volunteer can quit when they get tired...he can't! Think of all the insults to him and his wife! Think of the humiliation he has to endure from nobody reporters like Lou Dobbs and company. Could you handle that??!! I know I couldn't.

I am sometimes angry at Obama for not pouncing on Hillary's gaffes in the past. He brought some things up tonight...but I think he should have nailed her long ago. But I am deeply empathetic to the tightrope he has to walk....I understand intimately what that means.

Re: Michelle Obama On Colbert

Truthseeker — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 03:04:00 -0000

Jack and Jill,

I think we need an "angry? What you can do about it thread"

we can post links of pages/addresses/phone no/ where we can take action to channel frustration.

I have some ideas about what's going on. What we see in the campaign doesn't make any sense..but an idea has occurred to me and it's interesting because I go a hunch about this weeks ago but dismissed it. I'm too tired to type it up right now...maybe sometime tomorrow..that's if anybody gives a damn.

goodnight.

Re: Philly Debate Open Thread

Truthseeker — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 03:05:00 -0000

Re: ABC Has Lost Its Cotton-Pickin Mind / What Do We Do? (FCC REFORM!)

Truthseeker — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:54:00 -0000

It was a Republican set up. All the questions pertained to right wing issues. Why would a John McCain question about raising taxes be asked in a Deocratic Primary debate? Why would all Right Wing talking points be used as questions?

1)The Candidates were given a "lightening round" at the end with one minute to answer questions like gas prices etc. with no rebuttal or follow up questions. They were deliberately made to look bad and prevented from showcasing any positive Democratic policy. It was designed to make them both look bad, but with a focus on Obama.

2)Gibson was personally argumentative with Obama...pressing the issue of Capital Gains in a debate aimed at an economically devastated region. This question seemed personally important to Gibson.

3)And, finally the audience was restrained from applauding in order to create an impression of disagreement.

This whole thing was detrimental to them both, but Obama was the focus as he is expected to win the nomination. It was designed to damage Obama for the Republicans. Hillary was beside the point because they know they can beat her but they FEAR him!

If Clinton was a person of integrity, when she and Obama realized they had been set up, they could have come together and agreed not to answer any more inappropriate questions. They could have walked out together showing Democratic unity. But, it showed Clinton is willing to sacrifice anything to win. It is even possible she had something to do with the setup.

As for the Superdelegates, they should be moving rapidly in the next few days to endorse their candidate (Obama) after witnessing this. Democrats are being made a fool of by Republicans yet again. The danger signs are there and this thing should make Dems furious.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

Truthseeker — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:07:00 -0000

Wow Rikyrah,

that was an amazing post you found. I've never heard it "spoken" out loud like that. I've really only seen posts where people talk about armed revolution..seeming to sense that it was coming. It was clear Americans were angry....but in my communication on message boards I could never see how armed revolution would be possible give military technology and the dependence on infrastructure.

When Barack appeared, I had an epiphany that he was the revolution, or at the very least the "last chance motel" - "50 miles to the next exit" option. These were purely intuitive feelings. As I watch everything unfold...I have a great degree of anxiety as if there is much at stake.

I never trusted the Democratic party. I watch how they sit back and allow Obama to fight alone. I recall their apathy over the last few years.

I see how they allow Hillary to wreak havoc on their best interests. They seem paralyzed by fears and trauma inflicted by Republicans past, constantly obsessing about what the Republicans will say.

They did not defend Obama on the "elitist" tag, nor on the racists attacks. The DNC cannot be expected to do the right thing. But for us - Obama is truly alone.

Al Gore, preoccupied with gluttony, reveling in his wealth and growing fat. Why would he care about party? He is not one of the vulnerable.

I hope Americans prevail. I hope the the ones who are still sane will save those who have gone mad. I hope you all realize how much danger there is and that Barack is right, there is such a thing as being too late.

Re: ABC Has Lost Its Cotton-Pickin Mind / What Do We Do? (FCC REFORM!)

Truthseeker — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:15:00 -0000

@ ronnie b

You're not getting me...the question was based on a statement by John McCain. Raising taxes is a hot button Republican talking point. A Democratic debate is a competition between the policy positions of the Democratic candidates only.

The footage of the debeate and the "lightening round" where the candidates were forced to talk fast and their answers cut off mid-sentence, will be used by Republicans in the general against Democrats as "gotcha" material. Why do you think they asked them to make pledges? It was a Republican set up, and many Democrats are still too naive to recognize it.

Re: Go On Brush Ya Shoulders Off

Truthseeker — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:54:00 -0000

Re Rachel Maddow...

Every time I watch her I think: Press Secretary!

She's one of the sharpest people on TV.

Re: Go On Brush Ya Shoulders Off

Truthseeker — Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:11:00 -0000

I think the Democratic party is suffering from post traumatic stress. Losing has stripped them of their confidence and boldness. They no longer have the "killer" instinct. The Republicans really did a number on them. Even now, in the best year, they are timid.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

Truthseeker — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 01:07:00 -0000

Does anybody watch Colbert? He was brilliant tonight. Hillary had a brief appearance at the beginning, later is John Edwards.

Check out his connection of Obama to Nazi's via Ted Kennedy. It is brilliant satire against white Catholics who will use Obama's associations as excuse not to vote for him.

Then Obama appears by satellite briefly at the end.

These are redlasso clips, hope there's no problem viewing them:

Colbert p1

Colbert p2

Colbert p3

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

Truthseeker — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 01:25:00 -0000

@ Rikyrah,

ha!....when I heard that from Rachel earlier I thought of you!

The pundits are so busy fretting about the salacious questions they didn't pick up on that. The average person wouldn't know this just as I didn't. Why are "celebrity" journalists allowed to moderate debates when they don't have the expertise to pick up on these things? Do they just ask a list of questions but fail to understand the answers they're given?

In a sense, I can see why they stick to the salacious things...that's all they are capable of understanding and rebutting! They are clearly not qualified to moderate a debate for President...no wonder Obama answered testily "Because Charlie, the President sets the mission". Maybe that was the true source of his frustration.

It's like being a surgeon and having a chef question you about medical protocol!

Re: Go On Brush Ya Shoulders Off

Truthseeker — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 06:11:00 -0000

did you guys feel that earthquake this morning?

Re: ABC Has Lost Its Cotton-Pickin Mind / What Do We Do? (FCC REFORM!)

Truthseeker — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 06:13:00 -0000

Sign petition at www.moveon.org!

Re: Brush Ya Shoulders Off. Indeed! (Updated with Remixes)

Truthseeker — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:22:00 -0000

Hillary's got a different face for each day of the week. She was talking to a group of women yesterday about girlie things....after doing shots and beer the week before.

I don't know why her supporters are complicit in their own deception.

Re: Friday Open Thread - TGIF…whew…

Truthseeker — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:36:00 -0000

ms.martin & Rikyrah:
I felt that earthquake in Toronto.

Must see!!!!!!

How *DANGER*Hillary Can Still Win!!!

VOTE for Obama. He's moved up from #35 to #6!!! We can help get him to #1. Move the slider to 100 and submit.

TIME 2008 Most Influential OBAMA

VOTE for Rev Wright at TIME most influential people

TIME 2008 Most Influential REV WRIGHT

Amazing article on Huffington Post!..MUST READ

Choosing a Leader

Breaking News! Obama loves Hitler!!

Six degrees of Separation

..also, Obama got some great endorsements today! Whoo hoo!

Re: Friday Open Thread - TGIF…whew…

Truthseeker — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:00:00 -0000

@ Craig Hickman,

..I think Dobbs mentioned something about Hamas in connection with Obama on his show yesterday. He had a segment with a jerk flogging his book...this guy was really down on Obama here's the clip:

Lou sliming Obama

Re: Friday Open Thread - TGIF…whew…

Truthseeker — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:11:00 -0000

@ d

Obama's been endorsed by highly respected Americans, are they suggesting Hamas has more credible weight than Americans??

That's a stupid line of attack.

Re: Friday Open Thread - TGIF…whew…

Truthseeker — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:57:00 -0000

@ d

Truth,

if bin Laden or al-Zaharwi endorsed Obama, it wouldn't matter what American did. This is the same thing to a large segment of the population. Let's not forget that Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization.

That argument stands up only from the standpoint of irrationality. Since Hamas is a terrorist organization, if they wanted to oppose an anti terrorist US party, they would simply put out a statement endorsing them. If your logic is to be accepted, this would be the kiss of death.

It is irrational for Americans to accept the validity of an endorsement from a terrorist organization. It is also irrational for Democrats to accept the advise of Republicans. Barack wishes to restore rationality.

Re: Friday Open Thread - TGIF…whew…

Truthseeker — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:30:00 -0000

I don't get arrogance from Obama. As a matter of fact, sometimes I see fleeting hint of insecurity. Maybe these guys are filtering their perceptions through a mesh of prejudice. He said Obama looks like he thinks we need him more than he needs us...Well, hell yeah! He seemed to have a pretty good life before, no secret service detail. Mr. Cohen could is sensing what's true, but it's not coming from Obama. It's coming from his intuitive awareness of the truth.

Re: Back To Philly

Truthseeker — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:42:00 -0000

This gave me chills! I heard people marched on the street chanting "Obama" and "Yes we can". Amazing!

No more freakin' debates, Obama needs to talk directly to the people.

Re: Friday Open Thread - TGIF…whew…

Truthseeker — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 10:18:00 -0000

@ d

that "vetting" nonesense is ignorant crap. It's part of the old politics that's passing away, thankfully.

Re: Friday Open Thread - TGIF…whew…

Truthseeker — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 10:36:00 -0000

For anyone who doesn't have HBO, you can catch Real Time episodes on these YouTube channels:

(current season fastest upload)

youtube.com/user/videocafeblog

(current season)

youtube.com/user/MoKEELoK

(previous seasons)

youtube.com/user/REALTIMEwBMs123

Re: Friday Open Thread - TGIF…whew…

Truthseeker — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 10:49:00 -0000

I find Leo's are formidable but deeply compassionate people :)

Here's a segment of Friday's Real Time where the reporter talking to rural Pensylvanians:

youtube.com/watch?v=0uO_KITFHmY

Re: Back To Philly

Truthseeker — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:59:00 -0000

Two great articles on Huffington post where reporters go undercover to volunteer at both the Clinton and Obama campaigns:

I Was a Clinton Volunteer

I Was an Obama Volunteer

Re: Back To Philly

Truthseeker — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 23:39:00 -0000

Is Rick Sanchez is the dumbest, wackiest sob on tv!

Re: Note From A New Obama Convert

Truthseeker — Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:27:00 -0000

Didn't she say McCain was more qualified than Barack??? LOL.

Anyway, posted over at Huffington the Chinese are protesting Jack Cafferty for saying the Chinese are "Goons". One protest sign reads: Cafferty do you eat with that mouth?

Hahahaha

It's like the whole world has gone topsy turvy!

Re: Note From A New Obama Convert

Truthseeker — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 00:38:00 -0000

Hi ms.martin,

did you see Meet the Press today? Axelrod and Garin slugged it out with Axelrod winning in my opinion. I am worried about this superdelegate thing. They are too laid back at such a critical time. Many SD's who endorsed early, have made it clear they chose Hillary for loyalty. How is choosing based solely on loyalty acting in the best interest of the party? Then, Howard Dean can't effectively crack the whip. I hope this doesn't blow up in the Dem's faces.

Re: Daily Open Thread- Greetings to a New Week

Truthseeker — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:27:00 -0000

I figured Hillary's supporters wouldn't be happy about her 109 million tax returns. It just makes sense that women - many poor - who had been skipping lunch to sacrifice for victim Hillary, would be furious when they found out how much she's worth. Awww, she had to LOAN her campaign 5 million..shucks...why wouldn't she INVEST in her own campaign? Are those poor women getting their money back.

I wonder too, what people in States who've already voted for Hillary think now, in light of new revelations about her character. If a re-vote was held now, would she win some of the states she already did?

Cryptkeeper Barbara Walters is simpering to Cindy McCain...if you look closely, you'll see dollar signs in Barb's eyes. Barbara loves people with lots o' cash. I can tell she's mortified by Whoopi especially and Elisabeth a little bit. We've got to be on our best behaviour girls, Cindy's here!

Re: Daily Open Thread- Greetings to a New Week

Truthseeker — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:14:00 -0000

McCain's Exploitation of John Lewis

Re: Well, He Wouldn’t Have Been My Endorser: Rendell Praises Farrakhan

Truthseeker — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:22:00 -0000

Among Democrats, the value here is in showing the same old politics. Politicians say one thing to one audience and something else to another. The underlying truth is that every family has a nutty uncle or two....but we generally don't disown and vilify them. It's whether Americans accept Barack, Hannity, Rendel, Farahkhan, Hillary as equally part of that family.

Re: Well, He Wouldn’t Have Been My Endorser: Rendell Praises Farrakhan

Truthseeker — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:43:00 -0000

@ rhondacoca

...depends on who you ask.

Re: Well, He Wouldn’t Have Been My Endorser: Rendell Praises Farrakhan

Truthseeker — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:48:00 -0000

I guess it goes to who you consider to be an authentic American. Hannity is considered so, and is allowed the privilege of being critical; however, Barack, Rev. Wright, or Farahkhan are not.

Re: Well, He Wouldn’t Have Been My Endorser: Rendell Praises Farrakhan

Truthseeker — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:35:00 -0000

If Barack talked about it, it would be on the MSM. But, he's not like Hillary.

Re: Daily Open Thread- Greetings to a New Week

Truthseeker — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:48:00 -0000

Ha, I guess all Catholics should repudiate the Pope because he was a Hitler Youth.

I hear Obama's on Jon Stewart tonight.

Re: Daily Open Thread- Greetings to a New Week

Truthseeker — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:51:00 -0000

It is prudent to run away from a fight with a madwoman. Obama is neither coward nor fool.

Re: Well, He Wouldn’t Have Been My Endorser: Rendell Praises Farrakhan

Truthseeker — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:27:00 -0000

She doesn't refer to him by name to dehumanize him. Same reason she wouldn't publicly congratulate him on his wins. All this gives her audience permission to do the same.

Jack Kingsston referred to Obama as "the guy" and Michelle as "the wife" on a Fox interview. It's the Republican playbook.

The Democratic party is playing with fire. Each time there's rumbling about putting an end to the race, Clinton surrogates come out and start the fast talking. They say "WE" have a long way to go for all votes to count...they lull democrats into a false sense of security...until the next attack. Democrats better figure out a strategic way to save the party, because Hillary has no boundaries.

Re: Daily Open Thread- Greetings to a New Week

Truthseeker — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:46:00 -0000

Eugene Robinson on Race for the Whitehouse commented on Pat saying Obama and Hillary should be on joint ticket....Eugene asked Pat if he was going to be Barack's food taster.

Re: Daily Open Thread- Greetings to a New Week

Truthseeker — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:38:00 -0000

Obama understands that Networks have an interest in prolonging the primary. These campaigns are pumping millions of dollars into networks and affiliates. Also, network executives have political affiliations that make them favour one party/candidate over another. Obama's policies benefit people over corporations, it is crazy for him to do any debates in a corporate framework.

Obama has always bet on the American people, that they would be tired enough of the lies and ready for freedom. If they succumb to the emotional buttons and fear- mongering then maybe they're not ready....maybe they need to reach rock bottom first.

Re: Daily Open Thread - It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

Truthseeker — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:36:00 -0000

yeah, and in NC Hillary will be wearing braids and singing negro spirituals.

Re: Daily Open Thread - It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

Truthseeker — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:48:00 -0000

There's concern about voting irregularities because of Nutter and Rendel's support for Clinton. It's their turf.

Re: Daily Open Thread - It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

Truthseeker — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:22:00 -0000

I guess the next phase of the Clinton's strategy is continuing to challenge the authority of Howard Dean...at HuffPo Lanny is suggesting Howard should resign if he had anything to do with the cancelling of the NC debate.

This is not good for Obama or the Democratic party.

Re: Daily Open Thread - It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

Truthseeker — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:57:00 -0000

There's a war going on in the Democratic party, and if the Superdelegates notice it, they're keeping mum. Part of that is chipping away at the authority of the DNC and Howard Dean. Challenging the rules of the Democratic primary, inciting FL voters against the Democratic party rather than against their elected officials for Florida's botched primary.

I tend to think Superdelegates are not aware, if they were they'd be moving more quickly to put a stop to what can only be a hijacking of the party.

There's an article on HuffPo about Obama having a group of Superdelegates ready to declare shortly after the PA primary. I hope that does indeed happen.

Re: Daily Open Thread - It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

Truthseeker — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:05:00 -0000

Roland looks so depressed...lol. I know how he feels. I was really hoping he'd squeeze out a win.

Re: Daily Open Thread - It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

Truthseeker — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:57:00 -0000

Obama got about 1500 new donors in the same time frame.

Here's a nice prayer from a commenter on his blog:

By JoyceFromCanada

a little prayer for strength:

O Source of Mercy, give us the grace to show forbearance to those who offend against us.

When the wrongs and injustices of others wound us, may our hearts not despair of human good.

May no trial, however severe, embitter our souls and destroy our trust.

When beset by trouble and sorrow, our mothers and fathers put on the armour of faith and fortitude.

May we too find strength to meet adversity with quiet courage and unshaken will.

Amen

Re: Daily Open Thread - It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

Truthseeker — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:30:00 -0000

So, now it gets really dangerous for Barack...

It is now officially impossible for Hillary to get a delegate lead...as just pointed out by Todd on MSNBC. It's virtually impossible to get a popular vote lead because it's typical for her to bypass states where she doesn't have a lead(NC). I don't think I've ever seen a case where she was able to eat into a Barack lead, therefore, seh won't get many votes in NC. So, what does that leave? She can only gain the nomination by convincing the superdelegates to take the nomination from Barack and give it to her or, wrangle herself a place at the top of a joint ticket.

She's managed to carve out a constituency(white blue collar) that is all her own, by being racially polarizing. To me, this is extremely troubling because of what it says about her ability to be a leader of all people. However, she has falsely created the same question about Barack by the trumped up "elitist" charge.

If Barack hopes to get this nomination without Hillary tagging along, he will have to dig deep to gain Blue collar voters in the upcoming states. He will have to appeal to something so good and so powerful inside them to counteract the negative appeals that she is only capable of.

Re: Daily Open Thread - It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

Truthseeker — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:00:00 -0000

Ms.martin,

I think he should take a few days off and go somewhere quiet by himself. He should pray, meditate..go deep inside back to his center. I believe that at his core he is a good man; but, this process has taken something away from him - as it would from any good man. This is a spiritual battle as much as it is a delegate one. Hillary Clinton has a core of evil, and striving, work and effort will not neutralize her...only a polarity of "good" will.

I really can't say exactly what that "good" will look like...but I think if Barack goes within himself he will find it.

Re: Daily Open Thread - It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

Truthseeker — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:22:00 -0000

Craig,

you are correct, however a future victory will be a demonstrative and moral one. It will say, that the evil the Clinton's represent will not prevail. They embody everything that is destroying America. This is really an apocalyptic battle where what is at stake is America's soul. That moral victory will be the dogwhistle to everyone who understands subconsciously what this battle is truly about.

Bill Clinton is a foul human being. He has been accused of rape and has sexually harassed a young woman in his employ. He was - while Governor of Arkansas at the center of a tainted blood scandal that infected tens of thousands with HIV and Hep-C in Canada and other countries. It is often thought, that his wife Hillary is a passive, innocent victim of his excess; however, my intuition has always made me feel that she is more puppet-master than victim. They remind me of dysfunctional couples who cooperate to commit crimes...

I'm sort of into microexpressions and reading faces, something about her face and eyes - even her childhood pictures - make me think of Karla Homolka.

Re: Daily Open Thread - It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

Truthseeker — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:46:00 -0000

@ lele

Hillary supporters often mock Obama supporters for drinking kool-aid. But, I think it is the Hillary supporters who are enmeshed in her web of deception. It DOES matter how you win. African Americans feel so strongly about the race baiting...it goes to the core of who they are. And, they know what the Clinton's do to people they believe have crossed them. Bill Clinton is seething with rage over this. Under these circumstances - for African Americans, another candidate/party will be more attractive than Hillary Clinton.

Re: Daily Open Thread - It’s Election Day in Pennsylvania

Truthseeker — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:01:00 -0000

b-serious,

excellent post!

Re: Pennsylvania - She Won..oh well, onto Indiana and North Carolina

Truthseeker — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:44:00 -0000

Hmmmm, buyer's remorse?

New York Times Blames Hillary for "Mean, Vacuous, Desperate" Campaign

I wonder how many people who've already voted also feel this way.

Re: Pennsylvania - She Won..oh well, onto Indiana and North Carolina

Truthseeker — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:00:00 -0000

Obama got about 30,000 new donors since the PA results!

Re: Wednesday Open Thread - Speak your mind

Truthseeker — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:49:00 -0000

Maureen Dowd
Wilting Over Waffles

Is he skittish around her because he knows that she detests him and he’s used to charming everyone? Or does he feel guilty that he cut in line ahead of her? As the husband of Michelle, does he know better than to defy the will of a strong woman? Or is he simply scared of Hillary because she’s scary?

Re: CNN: Terrible For Democracy?

Truthseeker — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:53:00 -0000

Ha! "Theoretical Democrat" ..lol

As for the press, I say: Bring back the guillotine!

Re: How Does Obama Do It?

Truthseeker — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:42:00 -0000

Sore throat...gargle every hour with warm salty water, or Listerine if you're macho. Garlic capsules are good for colds.

Maybe after all this chaos something new and good will blossom. Hang in there Jack!

Re: How Does Obama Do It?

Truthseeker — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:50:00 -0000

Isn't the Trinity tape copyrighted? I don't understand how they can loop it unless it falls under fair use.

Re: How Does Obama Do It?

Truthseeker — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:27:00 -0000

@ heartsandflowers

..Barack was blowing his nose on the stump a couple months ago.

Re: This spoke to me…so, I bring it to you

Truthseeker — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:34:00 -0000

@ ms.martin,

She knows the end is in sight, she wants to keep her supporters filled with hope so when the DNC steps in (I think in two weeks)her supports will feel like the nomination was taken away from her and they will vote Republican.

...and then, there will be a huge outcry from her supporters demanding she be part of the ticket. If Barack chooses someone else, they will go away enraged and refuse to vote for him. This essentially twists his arm and denies him the right of picking a baggage-free, complimentary running mate. This is some ugly scenario.

I hope - if it comes down to this - that Barack names a running mate before that point to outmaneuver her....or at least say he's already offered it to someone else..lol.

Re: This spoke to me…so, I bring it to you

Truthseeker — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:44:00 -0000

Re Hillary claiming she made 10 million ....does anyone notice this is suspiciously the same amount she's in debt for?

I don't believe the amount raised, and think it's spinning to create the illusion of wiping out the debt.

Re: This spoke to me…so, I bring it to you

Truthseeker — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 04:20:00 -0000

Yeah, I heard someone on CNN say momentum in regard to Hillary....what freakin' momentum? Barack ate into her 30 point lead. She won nothing, to go from 30 points to 10 is a loss of support.

History will not look kindly on all this. These days, every scrap of footage is archived, every word saved. I wonder as these pundits look back on their actions, what they'll think.

Re: Michelle And Barack

Truthseeker — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:21:00 -0000

This is s great pic...natural, easy affection.

Watch for Cindy McCain to go after Michelle. Lots of people say Michelle has a Jacki-O vibe.. Cindy does not like that, and has gone after Michelle with veiled insults.

Re: Flipping the Script: WHY Can’t Hillary ‘ Tonya Harding’ Clinton CLOSE THE DEAL?

Truthseeker — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:42:00 -0000

This "why can't he close the deal" has come directly from the Clinton campaign, and it's truly extraordinary to see the media acting as an agent of her campaign.

Obama's campaign has failed, in my opinion to use the media effectively. Maybe that's the curse of having so much donor funding - they don't have to figure out creative ways of getting their message out for free.

I was really angry this morning. I've been thinking that Obama has played it too safe in the home stretch. I wonder if in seeing victory, they've decided to not be bold to protect what they've already won; but, America needs a hero, a warrior. And, in the absence of his strong presence, Hillary will make him out to be a punk.

This AM, Morning Joe - who I detest - said, why wasn't Barack prepared for the flag pin question in the ABC debate. The camera went to Hillary while Barack answered and she looked down and pretended to write...because SHE WASN'T WEARING A PIN! GIBSON wasn't wearing a fucking pin!! Why did Barack respond as if he'd been caught doing something wrong? Why did he allow a nobody like Gibson to rattle him? He could have risen in that moment and been America's warrior, but he caved. I don't understand it, and it makes me angry.

Why would he make excuses during that debate for Hillary's Bosnia lie when it was himself who needed defending? Didn't he notice that she wasn't being attacked?

Maureen Dowd said something about Barack being used to charming people easily. I think she might be right...perhaps he doesn't know how to act when he meets someone who hates him. He recoils and withdraws and tries to be too nice.

Barack must not just relax and rely on his delegates to win comfortably in the home stretch, he must knock it out of the ballpark! He must not take anything for granted.

Re: Flipping the Script: WHY Can’t Hillary ‘ Tonya Harding’ Clinton CLOSE THE DEAL?

Truthseeker — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:01:00 -0000

I just watched Hardball and the clips of Wright's interview. All hell is going to break loose for Obama when the full interview airs tomorrow. Clinton and Repubs will be poring over it in search of more ammunition.

Chris brought up something that I've heard him suggest before, that maybe it is really the woman of the house who chooses where to worship - and perhaps that is what prevents him from making a clean break from Wright. I wondered the same thing when the Wright controversy broke.

I don't trust the motives of clergy. Their agenda is to preserve the framework that supports their survival. There are also elements of ego and celebrity involved in the so-called preaching of the gospel. Sometimes when people are screaming for your blood - justified or not - it is the time to lay low and keep your mouth shut. Wright stands to lose nothing by observing this and I think this is one of those times.

Re: Flipping the Script: WHY Can’t Hillary ‘ Tonya Harding’ Clinton CLOSE THE DEAL?

Truthseeker — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:18:00 -0000

@ jj

They're hoping that some major fuck-up happens and they can say, "See we can't vote for him. He's unelectable."

They might get their wish with the upcoming Wright interview and Obama scheduled to appear on Fox on Sunday.

Re: Flipping the Script: WHY Can’t Hillary ‘ Tonya Harding’ Clinton CLOSE THE DEAL?

Truthseeker — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:27:00 -0000

Well Craig Hickman, we can't all have your sunny optimism :)

Re: Flipping the Script: WHY Can’t Hillary ‘ Tonya Harding’ Clinton CLOSE THE DEAL?

Truthseeker — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:24:00 -0000

Did you guys watch CNN? Pelosi did an interview with Larry King and when asked about the joint ticket she said 'no' almost before the question fully left Larry's lips. She said it is the candidates choice of who they have the comfort level to govern with and the choice shouldn't be thrust on them...paraphrasing.

There was also a panel talking about Rev. Wright. Poor Roland was jumping around trying to stamp out that fire again. The Republican on the panel was positively orgasmic to be able to bring up all the inflamatory statements once again. Wright has a speech coming up - I forget where - Roland thought that it might be cancelled.

It is unfortunate, I think Wright might be a very nice man in circumstances where his authority isn't threatened. Maybe he is kind of smearing Obama with the label "politician" and all the profanity that that holds....while blessing himself with the label "pastor" and all the supposed righteousness that holds. Isn't he supposed to be retired????

Re: James Clyburn Speaks Plain Truths About the Clintons and the Black Community

Truthseeker — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:47:00 -0000

b-serious,

I agree about Wright allowing others in the religious community to defend him. He can't defend himself effectively now, things are too volatile. I also agree re Clyburn. None of this feels good to me. Obama has already won - based on the numbers - yet there is delay in declaring him the winner, fanning the flames of racial tension.

Re: James Clyburn Speaks Plain Truths About the Clintons and the Black Community

Truthseeker — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:52:00 -0000

Larry King Pelosi interview video p1

Larry King Pelosi interview video p2

Re: Daily Open Thread - TGIF

Truthseeker — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:45:00 -0000

Lying shows in your face - microexpressions

Re: Daily Open Thread - TGIF

Truthseeker — Sat, 26 Apr 2008 12:10:00 -0000

@ d

Hamas seems to have a liking for Obama. Wonder why that is?

..so does Canada, Egypt, Colombia, France, Brazil, Japan, Germany, Italy..

What's your point?

Re: Daily Open Thread - TGIF

Truthseeker — Sat, 26 Apr 2008 12:26:00 -0000

So,

Rev. Wright had a chat with Moyers who did a good job of filling in the 'blanks' of the Reverend's life. Then, later Tubbs-Jones was on a CNN panel and did not miss the opportunity to twist the knife into Barack about Wright's comment that Barack was only saying what a politician says. She made sure to say that she, as a politician only tells the truth.

So much harm has been done to humanity under the mantle of religious righteousness and the ordinary men who take up that mantle. Really, how can you be wrong when you speak "God's word"? Nevermind if that "word" is killing you.

Beware of those who call themselves "shepherds" and you the "flock".

Re: Even Obama Snowed By McCain "Cred"

Truthseeker — Sat, 26 Apr 2008 12:30:00 -0000

..and if he opposes it and it doesn't come down, he has no power.

Re: Daily Open Thread - TGIF

Truthseeker — Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:20:00 -0000

@ craig hickman,

Tubbs-Jones is rabid in her support of Hillary. I don't know if the Clinton's have dirt on her or if they've promised her something. Anyway, her zealotry is not to be trusted.

I hadn't realized how many former Clinton donors had jumped ship to Obama; whereas, none of Obama's donors who've maxed out to his campaign, have donated to Clinton. The devil is in the details.

Party Fears Racial Divide

Re: Daily Open Thread - TGIF

Truthseeker — Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:27:00 -0000

@ d

A different thought as to why Hamas wants Obama: possibly because he seems to love the idea of negotiating with terrorists and rogue states.

Ya know...your obsession with Hamas is a little suspect. Are you sure you're not a terrorist yourself?

One man's 'rogue' is another man's 'government'. Republican's have taken America to the brink of disaster. Everyone around the world can see that. It's time to wake up and let go of this insane partisanship before it's too late.

Re: Daily Open Thread - TGIF

Truthseeker — Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:21:00 -0000

@ d

I find your suggestion that Obama is suspect because of Hamas statements highly offensive. So, you stood on the line only to turn around and smear a fellow American because a foreign government is complimentary? And for what? Just so your party can win? This is patriotism of convenience. This is a patriotism that cannibalizes it's own. Who is the TRUE enemy?

Your government may be overthrown, but it won't be violent. It will be the Chinese, quietly, gently calling in their loans while you're busy accusing fellow Americans of guilt by association. How stupid is that?

Re: Daily Open Thread - TGIF

Truthseeker — Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:23:00 -0000

@ d

You're a terrorist because I said so.

Re: Daily Open Thread - TGIF

Truthseeker — Sat, 26 Apr 2008 16:56:00 -0000

@ d

That 'I wear the uniform so I'm entitled' bullcrap is not gonna fly.

For those who've stared across a cell at a religious fanatic and are traumatized by it...should get therapy and not unleash that trauma on the nation at large.

Re: Daily Open Thread - TGIF

Truthseeker — Sat, 26 Apr 2008 21:23:00 -0000

YouTube video by 'miat1111'. clips of Hardball. Michele Bernard and Tucker comment on Clyburn's statement. Clips of Clinton's response to genocide in Rwanda and Haitian refugee crisis. The "lynching" of Obama by the Clinton's.

suffice it to say, miat is not fond of the Clinton's.

Video

Re: Daily Open Thread - TGIF

Truthseeker — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:12:00 -0000

Did anyone see Susan Rice on CNN this AM? She was on a panel with a foreign policy adviser for Hillary and I think she obliterated him. They were interviewed by Wolf. Check it out if you can.

Re: Daily Open Thread - TGIF

Truthseeker — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 20:30:00 -0000

Did y'all watch the Rev. Wright speech on CNN? ...I tuned into the last few minutes only but what I heard was good.

Re: Daily Open Thread - TGIF

Truthseeker — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:45:00 -0000

If you get CNN they're running the whole thing again at 11pm I think. They're doing clips now and reactions.

Re: Daily Open Thread - TGIF

Truthseeker — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:53:00 -0000

Ha! Did you guys see that Ron Paul supporters shut down the Nevada GOP convention? It's on HuffPo.

Re: Daily Open Thread - TGIF

Truthseeker — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 00:28:00 -0000

Now, if Barack was evil, he would keep needling Bill, and get him to completely lose it on camera.

@ Rikyrah

I just watched that on YT. I don't know dissent tickles me so.

Re: Daily Open Thread - TGIF

Truthseeker — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:47:00 -0000

Rev Wright NAACP speech

Re: Jeremiah Wright On BIll Moyers

Truthseeker — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:56:00 -0000

So, Wright says he's going to "go after" Obama if he's elected...seems like he's going after him right now.

I wonder if he has any plans on going after Hillary, Bill and McCain. It is unfair to go after Obama in this way. Why would Wright and others in the so-called black leadership hold Barack to impossible standards?

I recall something I saw one season of the American Idol auditions. There was a young black woman who came to the second round of auditions with several members of her family. Apparently the mother loved a particular song and wanted the daughter to sing it. It was clear that this young woman was not feeling that particular song, but felt pressured somehow to be obedient and 'represent' her family's wishes. I could see there was some fear in following her own instinct in case she would fail for being disobedient. Anyway, she sang the song and got poor reviews and was cut from the audition. Her mom came onto the stage and talked to the judges, but it was too late.

This makes me think of what's happening now with Barack and the black "leadership". Blacks have a very authoritarian upbringing informed by religion. We are taught to obey our elders without question.

I see Barack as struggling to sing his own song against the impossible pressure of the hopes and dreams of the entire black community. Many of us understand this instinctively and release him to do what he needs to do...but some in the black "leadership" seek to burden him with petty things.

The most insulting part of this is the assertion that they're doing it out of love. They say they're holding Barack "accountable"..doing him a favour. Then they say they're defending the black church. The truth is that people like Smiley and Wright and West are competing jealously. Not the green-eyed-monster kind of jealousy..but the stifling, possesive, authoritarian, "ownership" kind of jealousy.

Is this what will happen whenever any black person dares to win the office of President?

Re: Jeremiah Wright On BIll Moyers

Truthseeker — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:00:00 -0000

They are forcing Obama to choose...and it's not fair.

Re: Jeremiah Wright On BIll Moyers

Truthseeker — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:33:00 -0000

Melissa,

What is the point of him saying this? I think he went too far. I thought the speech was great and appropriate, as was the interview. The question and answer was a recipe for disaster full of vacuous questions from "stuck on stupids" for an obviously intelligent and proud man. So, if he is smarter, why did he subject himself to a trap? I think he just couldn't help himself. He is driven to compete and to be relevant. There is little humility to be seen there and he stumbled on the HIV conspiracy question.

I like him, and I don't like him.

Re: Jeremiah Wright On BIll Moyers

Truthseeker — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:40:00 -0000

@ craig hickman

damn, you really did go there! I don't know....the timing is so perfect for the other side.

Re: Jeremiah Wright On BIll Moyers

Truthseeker — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:54:00 -0000

@ tree

how do you downplay your blackness really? I can only assume it's by not following the template of behaviour of previous black candidates. But, what if Barack really doesn't believe the way they do. Maybe he was really just being himself...singing his own song.

@ craig hickman

maybe the Clinton's are trying to regain the black vote...but that's just from one cynic to the other.

I am tired of people like Sharpton exploiting people like the Bell family for their own gain. How is it beneficial for them to march. Maybe I'm shortsighted, but I don't see the benefit. There is no remedy for this family other than to grieve, then quietly sue for every dime they can get. Then, if they want to change the law, they should testify before congress, form an advocacy group...but shutting down the city??? Who does that benefit?

Re: Jeremiah Wright On BIll Moyers

Truthseeker — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:42:00 -0000

That speaking truth to power had zero effect on Bill Clinton.

Re: Jeremiah Wright On BIll Moyers

Truthseeker — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:03:00 -0000

jj & ms.martin,

That would be pretty ugly. For party leadership to drag the primary through 50 states while Obama supporters do the heavy lifting of registration and phonebanking - let them build a strong grassroots framework for the party. At the same time, Hillary divides and tears down any goodwill between races. She skips states, saying they're not important. Doesn't focus on registering or building the party. Insults the activist base. To give the nomination to Hillary who then benefits from the hard work of The O campaign and it's supporters....that would be madness!

I think there would be a dramatic reversal within the Dem party.

Re: Jeremiah Wright On BIll Moyers

Truthseeker — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 01:09:00 -0000

Ha! I just figured it out...it has something to do with "handkerchief head"?

Roland and Eric looked really troubled; though, they still didn't want to throw away the Rev. they just looked really sad.

If indeed Wright's colleagues begged him not to go through with this to no avail; then Wright is on a search and destroy mission and cannot be reasoned with. It strikes me that Wright is not only angry at Obama but at the whole black community. He knows how much this nomination means to us.

There's a kind of mad dog quality to this that is similar to the Tavis episode. Tavis was on the radio ranting uncontrollably about Barack. These men can't seem to help themselves.

At first I was really angry, now I'm kinda sad.

Re: Tuesday Open Thread: Hi Everybody

Truthseeker — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:21:00 -0000

I don't exactly agree that Obama has to "cut Wright loose". I think it's evident to everyone that they are no longer associated. Maybe all Obama needs to point out is that Wright is not pleased with him because they don't agree on anything. He needs to say he didn't disown Wright but Wright has effectively disowned him.

You know what I just noticed...Clyburn came out and made an explosive statement but I don't recall a single pundit asking a Clinton surrogate or Hillary about the feelings in the black community. However, they constantly ask Barack and his surrogates about the white vote. Has anyone seen the Clinton camp questioned about Clyburn's comments?

Re: Tuesday Open Thread: Hi Everybody

Truthseeker — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:13:00 -0000

Will African Americans Return?

Article on HuffPo that asks what happens if African Americans don't vote for Clinton in the general. Jack & Jill is linked in the article.

Re: Tuesday Open Thread: Hi Everybody

Truthseeker — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:49:00 -0000

Another good article that shows Obama does win the white male vote:

Can Obama Appeal to White Rural Men?

Re: Tuesday Open Thread: Hi Everybody

Truthseeker — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:18:00 -0000

ms.martin,

I noticed that! Part of the narrative against Obama is that he's weak, that Hillary is more of a "man" than he is. The cheap shots about bowling. He's scared to debate...on and on. Unfortunately, this "pansy" comment doesn't go over well with gays.

Re: Tuesday Open Thread: Hi Everybody

Truthseeker — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:36:00 -0000

Redlasso clip of Rachel Ray short interview with Michelle Obama:

Michelle Obama on Rachel Ray

Re: Tuesday Open Thread: Hi Everybody

Truthseeker — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:25:00 -0000

What is "playing the dozens"? Keith Olbermann seems to think it's where someone says something about you, and you respond with something worse and it escalates with each response. I hope this is not a veiled threat from Wright to the Obama campaign.

I think Obama is over-explaining. He's having a conversation...with wolves. Obama looks sad and perplexed.

Re: Tuesday Open Thread: Hi Everybody

Truthseeker — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:06:00 -0000

If Hillary is behind this, it could be her trying to regain the black vote.

Wright suggested that the opposition to his comments were not about him but an attack against the black church. Therefore, the implication is that if Barack responds against him, Barack is attacking the black church. It is vitally important for black church leaders come out and support Barack's position.

Re: Tuesday Open Thread: Hi Everybody

Truthseeker — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:28:00 -0000

You know, I felt that after PA, this stretch is the most dangerous for Obama.
After PA, it became apparent to everyone there was no possibility of Hillary catching up in delegates. The Presidency is slipping from her grasp and she will be forced to take more extreme measures to get the nomination. Her surrogates try to stall superdelegates from making their choices so as to buy time for Hillary to plot and scheme. Each time she loses they go on TV and start fast-talking about how we should let all the states vote.

The Obama campaign has got to be vigilant! If he thinks Bill & Hillary are going to give up power and wealth that easily, he's sadly mistaken. If Barack thinks he won't have to fight them, he better wake up!

Obama has to be more ruthless in protecting himself now. He's got to figure out a way to do it on the down low.

Re: Reverend Dr. Jeremiah Wright at the National Press Club

Truthseeker — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:50:00 -0000

That idiot McCain was on TV telling people to watch their diet and walk an hour a day. I guess that's his brilliant health care plan.

Re: Ok, Obama Did His Press Conference. Let’s Call Up Catholics, Clinton and McCain

Truthseeker — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:56:00 -0000

Is it just me or did anyone notice a shift in the surrogates since about Thursday of last week? I saw a few panels where instead of the Hillary and Barack surrogates fighting against each other, the Hillary surrogate speaks respectfully of Barack. Then, they join forces to oppose the Republican on the panel. I think it coincided with Clyburn's comments....that's just my perception. Even Carville was civil.

I dunno what's going on behind the scenes...but maybe it's dawning that the black vote is in jeopardy if Hillary is the nominee. Maybe they're realizing that Republicans fear Barack and he's under siege from every corner. Dare I hope?

Re: Ok, Obama Did His Press Conference. Let’s Call Up Catholics, Clinton and McCain

Truthseeker — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:09:00 -0000

n. mahana,

"whining pussy" ...sounds like a ride at the amusement park ;)

ms.martin,

Yeah, could be they're shifting into general election mode to present an example of unity for Democrats. There could be something brewing.

Re: Ok, Obama Did His Press Conference. Let’s Call Up Catholics, Clinton and McCain

Truthseeker — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:32:00 -0000

angela,

how does info about Hillary's religious affiliations help us fight?

I think Barack would have to be willing to feed it to the media and/or superdelegates. I don't think he is. Are you saying we should send this info to the media ourselves?

Re: Ok, Obama Did His Press Conference. Let’s Call Up Catholics, Clinton and McCain

Truthseeker — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:44:00 -0000

Oh..I don't doubt it about Clinton & McCain. Did you see the Situation Room today. Begalia was pressing a Republican pundit about Haggee hating on Catholics...she couldn't answer effectively.

Re: Ok, Obama Did His Press Conference. Let’s Call Up Catholics, Clinton and McCain

Truthseeker — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:53:00 -0000

jj,

maybe Obama really does mean to bring people together. Also, remember that he is half white. Obama understands that the power to transform the lives of African Americans lies in forming a coalition between blacks and whites for change.

He says it all the time, that the white guy in rural PA has to care about the inner city kid and visa versa. They've got to march together for change. Have faith JJ and HOPE. :-)

Re: Reverend Dr. Jeremiah Wright at the National Press Club

Truthseeker — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:44:00 -0000

jelana,

Yes! ..Moyers was probably trying to protect Wright from himself.

Re: Ok, Obama Did His Press Conference. Let’s Call Up Catholics, Clinton and McCain

Truthseeker — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:21:00 -0000

Re Rush Limbaugh and Newt...

I don't know if my perceptions are on point, but I notice that some whites may use blacks who don't support Barack...but they don't like them. I get the feeling they're thinking after all black people have been through, how could they not support Barack. They know that they(whites) would fiercely support their own - right or wrong - if they had our history. They may use those blacks to achieve their ends against other blacks...but they don't trust or respect them.

Re: Ok, Obama Did His Press Conference. Let’s Call Up Catholics, Clinton and McCain

Truthseeker — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:29:00 -0000

What I'm amazed with is the tone of empathy and support from the press. Everyone seems to understand that this was painful.

Re: Ok, Obama Did His Press Conference. Let’s Call Up Catholics, Clinton and McCain

Truthseeker — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:15:00 -0000

Wow, you're right Rikyrah.

There is something about Barack Obama that always tugs on my heart. I think we all know inside that his early life was painful and yet he manages to stand up with such grace. We have people calling him "boy" and suggesting he's a weak..and yet, he stands up.

I hope this campaign doesn't destroy the goodness in him.

Re: Ok, Obama Did His Press Conference. Let’s Call Up Catholics, Clinton and McCain

Truthseeker — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:39:00 -0000

Religion will be our undoing.

Re: Ok, Obama Did His Press Conference. Let’s Call Up Catholics, Clinton and McCain

Truthseeker — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:45:00 -0000

@ jj

That's the media, not Obama. Obama spoke of Wright with respect and understanding. What would you do if your pastor said things you profoundly disagreed with? In church you might ignore it...but what if he came to your job at a battered woman's shelter and talked about how women should submit to their husbands? At that point, I think I would draw the line. At that point I'd realize he's trying to f*ck with me.

Re: Wednesday Open Thread - Holla at us!!

Truthseeker — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:52:00 -0000

An exhausted Clinton clunks in webcast interview

Re: Wednesday Open Thread - Holla at us!!

Truthseeker — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:27:00 -0000

Michelle Obama is on Anderson Cooper tonight to react to Wright controversy.

Re: Wednesday Open Thread - Holla at us!!

Truthseeker — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:59:00 -0000

I'm not American, but I like the idea of Barack Obama in the White House. The thought of Malia and Sasha skipping through the hallways feels good to me...it feels right.

I think the world feels safer at the thought of Obama in the White House. This is the potential reality the world wants to actualize. It feels right in my bones, like when I've made the correct decision. I can see Michelle setting menus and having meetings, it's the way it should be. I think children in the White House will affect the way decisions are made.

I have a sense that the gods are having a good laugh at us. A man named Obama similar to the name of America's nemesis Osama where the "b" and the "s"(bullshit) are transposed.

I get the sense the gods roll at the humour of the black family who will occupy the white house, and at the dismay of those who oppose it.

Re: NYT Editorial On Wright And Hagee

Truthseeker — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:23:00 -0000

I think it would be smarter - tactically speaking - to "out-American" the so-called patriots. Black people should be out there waving the flag and shouting down the racists. America is your country....the blood of your ancestors paid for it too. Instead, you put on African clothing and teach Afrocentrism which legitimizes your exclusion.

let the yelling begin.

Re: NYT Editorial On Wright And Hagee

Truthseeker — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:44:00 -0000

Craig,

you make a good point.

It would be amusing to see African styled clothing made with star and stripe print...and I think it would shut the racists up.

Re: NYT Editorial On Wright And Hagee

Truthseeker — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:31:00 -0000

@ jack turner,

well, I don't think African Americans should do it to satisfy racists...they should do it to marginalize their opinion. If they think a flag makes you patriotic, then you get a BIGGER flag..

I'm kinda being silly about this, but the underlying idea is to back them into a corner until they run out of reasons. Force them to adopt more bizarre reasons which will marginalize them.

Re: John Hagee’s Crazy Ass And Why We Should Press McCain For More Answers

Truthseeker — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:43:00 -0000

@ d

If you are to be believed, it took him 24 hours AFTER the media reported on it. Why didn't he refuse to seek Hagee's endorsement in the first place??

Re: John Hagee’s Crazy Ass And Why We Should Press McCain For More Answers

Truthseeker — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:09:00 -0000

@ s,

If Obama had immediately severed ties with Wright it would have been a purely political move.

McCain is an opportunistic jerk. He's a hotheaded bully who has issues with women.

Re: Surprise Surprise Hillary Lies To Hoosiers About Their Jobs (Updated Headline)

Truthseeker — Thu, 01 May 2008 01:27:00 -0000

andyfrombrooklyn,

I think you missed Samantha Power. She's the one who called Hillary a monster. I understand she paints a poor picture of Bill Clinton's response to genocide in Rwanda in her book...they had to get rid of her. But, Samantha helped them.

Re: Surprise Surprise Hillary Lies To Hoosiers About Their Jobs (Updated Headline)

Truthseeker — Thu, 01 May 2008 12:35:00 -0000

Craig,

I read that letter early this morning. Isn't it something, my favourite part is:

Only a cynic would be critical of Barack Obama inspiring millions. Only the uninformed could forget that the candidate that wins in November is always the candidate that inspires millions.

and at the end where he says everyone is welcome in the Democratic party. I wonder if he's alluding to the sense among African Americans that they are no longer be welcome in the Democratic party if Hillary is nominated? After all, to nominate her would be to underwrite every racially divisive tactic she used. The Democratic party has always been a "home" for AA's...that would be no more.

I don't know what people like Bayh are thinking. Maybe they genuinely don't understand. Perhaps that was the motive behind Clyburn's speaking out now...to make people like him aware! Anyone who insists that Democrats continue this fight do not have their interests at heart.

Regardless of the outcome of these last contests, the leadership will have to make the decision. There's no avoiding it.

Re: Michelle Obama & Caroline Kennedy On CNN

Truthseeker — Thu, 01 May 2008 13:29:00 -0000

bpm,

the full depth of ugliness of what Wright did hasn't stopped hitting me. Really, he is an awful human being. He - who is educated - tells his congregation that HIV is a govt. conspiracy, knowing there is no evidence this is true. It is highly irresponsible. When he is asked about it he can only cite a single book.

You are right that he could have made his point without insulting the Kennedy's but he was seething with mean-spiritedness.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

Truthseeker — Thu, 01 May 2008 14:07:00 -0000

Colbert & Donna Brazile

Re: Michelle Obama & Caroline Kennedy On CNN

Truthseeker — Thu, 01 May 2008 14:36:00 -0000

BrownSugaQT86,

You are lending credence to it! The 80's & 90's were a crapshoot where HIV was concerned. Blood organizations were caught off guard and some were criminally negligent. The poor and minorites are just more vulnerable to these things. However, many whites were infected too in the early days. There is no evidence that the govt. engineered HIV!!!!!!!!

This pastor was wasting time scaring his congregation with foolishness. It would have been better for him to inform them that Bill Clinton - who they revered - was partially responsible for the infection of tens of thousands with HIV & Hep-C through the prison blood program in Arkansas!!!!! There is solid evidence for that!!!! He should have told them about the Clinton failure in Rwanda! Maybe if he had talked about that, blacks wouldn't now consider voting for that bitch!

That is the cost of ignorance. It distracts us from the real dangers. I wish people would stop talking about these crazy theories and talk about the real conspiracies!

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

Truthseeker — Thu, 01 May 2008 14:47:00 -0000

b-serious...you are right on every count.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

Truthseeker — Thu, 01 May 2008 14:58:00 -0000

at that link above in webb's post...check out the video in the upper left corner. Pastors weigh in on Wright controversy.

Re: Michelle Obama & Caroline Kennedy On CNN

Truthseeker — Thu, 01 May 2008 15:38:00 -0000

@ kenya,

engineering a virus is a far cry from negligent infection. If Wright knew the truth he should have told it. This is how people gain control of groups..by vilifying the "other"(govt).

Wright knows Obama is not like other politicians, he said so, calling Obama 'honest' in a letter to NYT. I think this is why Obama was so hurt, because he knows Wright is smearing him on purpose.

Re: Michelle Obama & Caroline Kennedy On CNN

Truthseeker — Thu, 01 May 2008 15:51:00 -0000

@ g.d.

nobody gives a damn about Wright's words being minced, not anymore! People were starting to come around to his side after seeing his full sermons, they were blaming the media for vilifying Wright. He must have seen the shift. He still chose to do this, so it wasn't really about defending himself.

Wright is a man of the world, he understands what the media can do. Does he think that an interview is like his sermon where he gets to choose exactly what is broadcast? If he wants complete control, he shouldn't talk to reporters!

America needs Barack Obama! If Wright's actions cost Barack the Presidency, no one will EVER forgive him for that.

Re: SuperDelegate Joe Andrew Switches from Clinton to Obama

Truthseeker — Thu, 01 May 2008 16:16:00 -0000

Ha! I loved how Andrea said Hillary's from Scranton, New York..Illinois..LOL

This is the first time I've heard Wolfson nervous. They are terrified the DNC will put a stop to this. If the Clinton's want to continue the process, then the DNC should do the exact opposite!

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

Truthseeker — Thu, 01 May 2008 17:19:00 -0000

Sidney Blumenthal Uses Former Right-Wing Foes To Attack Obama

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

Truthseeker — Thu, 01 May 2008 18:27:00 -0000

Not as embarrassing as imagining Spitzer doing it with his socks on. Or Bill Clinton's quivering, flabby thighs while he took sexual advantage of Monica....or, Larry Craig trying to solicit sex in a bathroom...or..

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

Truthseeker — Thu, 01 May 2008 19:43:00 -0000

someone posted on the Obama blogs that he's on Letterman and Olbermann tonight.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

Truthseeker — Thu, 01 May 2008 19:47:00 -0000

Hey Michelle!

How do I know Bill's got flabby thighs? A clip from when he was President..he was jogging in short shorts. Sorry for the imagery..lol just had to share the love.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

Truthseeker — Thu, 01 May 2008 20:10:00 -0000

Baptist Minister Asks McCain: "Did You Call Your Wife A C**t?" (VIDEO)

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

Truthseeker — Thu, 01 May 2008 20:52:00 -0000

Michigan's Fake Primary Produced Fake Results

I've been dying for someone to write about this. Gives some background on what happened in Michigan's primary.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

Truthseeker — Thu, 01 May 2008 20:59:00 -0000

How superdelegates can break up with Hillary

Funny help for Superdelegates with cold feet.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- One more day til the weekend

Truthseeker — Thu, 01 May 2008 22:58:00 -0000

Something that made me chuckle this morning...

Stephanie Tubbs Jones has a fundraising page at ActBlue. She's raised a grand total of $1 from 1 donor.

Craig posted about Ben Chandler, the KY superdelegate who's supporting Obama and has been getting racist phonecalls. He raised 20,000 since yesterday.

Re: Michelle Obama & Caroline Kennedy On CNN

Truthseeker — Fri, 02 May 2008 08:26:00 -0000

not delusional,

You're right, he has to divorce her immediately. You are definitely not delusional.

Re: Sign An Open Letter To Democratic Leaders Demanding They Not Overturn The Will Of Voters

Truthseeker — Fri, 02 May 2008 13:29:00 -0000

@ chenna

What about the people who didn't vote because all the candidates and the DNC agreed there would be no election? To count the votes cast as-is would be tantamount to fraud.

Clearly, by supporting Hillary the superdelegates are not following the delegate count in making their decision. As a matter of fact, many of them endorsed Hillary before a single vote was cast and long before they knew what kind of candidate she would be.

I think FL and MI will be seated, but not in a way where they'll be rewarded for breaking the rules. The party needs to preserve it's authority to enforce rules.

The actions of superdelegates were not intended to be detrimental to the party...if they overturn the delegate count, it will be highly damaging.

Re: Sign An Open Letter To Democratic Leaders Demanding They Not Overturn The Will Of Voters

Truthseeker — Fri, 02 May 2008 13:36:00 -0000

...you know what, regarding my comment above. I'm a little irritated that stuff like this even needs to be said. This is not rocket science, this is BASIC FAIRNESS! This is the stuff we tell our kids every day.

Why has this primary caused normal, reasonable people to lose their basic sense of fairness? Why are they willing to be unjust in these circumstances?...I don't get it.

Re: Sign An Open Letter To Democratic Leaders Demanding They Not Overturn The Will Of Voters

Truthseeker — Fri, 02 May 2008 15:01:00 -0000

ronnie b,

the irony is that those same white voters who wouldn't vote for Obama under any circumstances, will not vote for her against McCain. Racists tend to also be sexist.

Re: Sign An Open Letter To Democratic Leaders Demanding They Not Overturn The Will Of Voters

Truthseeker — Fri, 02 May 2008 18:01:00 -0000

Craig,

that is a stunning admission. I hope Obama jumps on this!

Re: McCain Admits Iraq War Was for OIL?

Truthseeker — Fri, 02 May 2008 23:28:00 -0000

Obama should have mailers, tv & radio ads, blimps, t-shirts with this bombshell.

Re: McCain Admits Iraq War Was for OIL?

Truthseeker — Sat, 03 May 2008 09:47:00 -0000

If the price of oil has gone up then it is "mission accomplished". I think it's more appalled than gloating.

Re: Operation Anti-Chaos: The Narrative on ‘ White Voters’ is FICTION

Truthseeker — Sat, 03 May 2008 13:41:00 -0000

Rikyrah,

Excellent post!

Re: Operation Anti-Chaos: The Narrative on ‘ White Voters’ is FICTION

Truthseeker — Sat, 03 May 2008 16:56:00 -0000

I'm not liking that Francis Holland post. Why was he trying to give the Clinton's advice on how to handle the black candidate?

What a good little negro he is, warning massa of the potential uprising. No doubt, when the Clinton's found themselves in shit, they recalled his advice and offered Obama the vice Presidency even though she was losing.

Re: McCain Admits Iraq War Was for OIL?

Truthseeker — Sat, 03 May 2008 17:37:00 -0000

Yep, Obama's got a little pep in his step lately. I surmise it has to do with getting the Wright monkey off his back...and Michelle. I saw an embrace between them just a second ago that made my cheeks warm. Maybe she needs to stay on the road with him.

Re: Operation Anti-Chaos: The Narrative on ‘ White Voters’ is FICTION

Truthseeker — Sat, 03 May 2008 19:45:00 -0000

Rikyrah,

the graph on this post has been updated at Kos. The date was changed to 2008.

here's the link:

http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/blowcorrected.gif

Re: Operation Anti-Chaos: The Narrative on ‘ White Voters’ is FICTION

Truthseeker — Sat, 03 May 2008 19:59:00 -0000

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KuhUpiASBOU

... election day giveaway

Re: Operation Anti-Chaos: The Narrative on ‘ White Voters’ is FICTION

Truthseeker — Sat, 03 May 2008 21:56:00 -0000

There's a re-run of Larry King where Jamaal, Lanny, Sheila Jackson and Flavia are on a panel.

Larry gets irritated with Sheila Jackson twice because he's asking her if Hillary was right to not discuss Wright. Sheila responds by going into her talking points and shows no empathy for Obama, a fellow African American and Democrat who has just had a difficult break with his pastor. I don't know how this blind, obsessive support for Hillary could trump empathy, fairness.

Now Sharpton's on, and I have to say, I have been proud of Sharpton's conduct during this campaign. I've always thought he's given a bum rap because of his flamboyant style. Al knows the art of the one-liner. I know Sharpton privately has old-school issues with Barack, but he NEVER fails to speak kindly of him in interviews.

Al draws a comparison between Barack not getting Trinity's latest DVD to Hillary not reading intelligence reports before voting for war. Al thinks the latter is more grievous. This shut Lanny up..almost. Then Flavia finds a way to mention the sniper fire, and Al stifles a smile. Lanny seemed less aggressive somehow.

The feeling I get from watching the surrogates lately is that it's over for Hillary. Maybe they're drawing straws to see who will break the news to her.

Then Joy Behar is on and says she likes Obama, finds him a "sweet guy" and comfortable in his skin. She has talked about how as a Catholic, her family doesn't walk out of church because of the Pedophilia by priests. Joy doesn't like McCain, feels he's not at ease with himself, among other things.

Speaking of the shift I sense in the surrogates lately...it started about Thursday before last(April24) Then I was online and ran across a story I'd seen around that time. It was about the Obama campaign making a deal with the DNC to do joint fundraising. I understand this is standard for the presumptive nominee. The article said that Hillary was also in talks but no deal had been made. It's now May, and no story emerges about a Hillary deal. I think all these signs add up to something. It turns out that the Obama campaign confirmed the story around April 25 which coincided with that shift I sensed in the surrogate behaviour.

Then, there are rumblings about superdelegates having decided for Obama but not making it public yet. Hillary has so poisoned her supporters against Obama, maybe they need to play this carefully.

Dare I hope?

Re: Operation Anti-Chaos: The Narrative on ‘ White Voters’ is FICTION

Truthseeker — Sat, 03 May 2008 22:16:00 -0000

@ anonymous,

Once the Dems get their act together, and deal with Bride of Chucky...they'll be tag teaming the Republican's ass. Repubs are not real good at gauging mood. They are desperate if they think talking about guns is enough.

Re: Operation Anti-Chaos: The Narrative on ‘ White Voters’ is FICTION

Truthseeker — Sun, 04 May 2008 00:55:00 -0000

terraprieto left this comment on a huffpo posting:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marie-wilson/an-army-of-women_b_99836.html

The Kentucky Derby was held today, and won by Big Brown.

Hillary Clinton had backed the filly in the race, Eight Belles. She came in second place. Tragically, Eight Belles collapsed after crossing the finish line and was euthanized on the track.

Drop out now, Hillary! We don't want to see you collapse and die after crossing the finish line in second place.

Concede now, Senator Clinton. We women care for you and you health.

Re: Operation Anti-Chaos: The Narrative on ‘ White Voters’ is FICTION

Truthseeker — Sun, 04 May 2008 01:06:00 -0000

You guys have to read the comments on the link in my comment directly above. I'd begun to lose faith but these women make me proud.

Re: Operation Anti-Chaos: The Narrative on ‘ White Voters’ is FICTION

Truthseeker — Sun, 04 May 2008 01:08:00 -0000

Here's another good article on HuffPo:
"What Will a Clinton "Victory" Feel Like"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-eskow/what-will-a-clinton-victo_b_99880.html

Re: Operation Anti-Chaos: The Narrative on ‘ White Voters’ is FICTION

Truthseeker — Sun, 04 May 2008 02:09:00 -0000

Good discussion of the Wright issue,

I know, I know...but the defence of Obama presents some good points:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-RNRGV3MWfg

Re: Operation Anti-Chaos: The Narrative on ‘ White Voters’ is FICTION

Truthseeker — Sun, 04 May 2008 02:30:00 -0000

@ teacher,

I hear you.

My hostility is because of the email he sent advising the Clinton's on how to proceed. I think he must have sensed something unpleasant about the Clinton's to feel it necessary to provide that advice. Why would he seek to help them navigate those racial waters safely? What personal connection does he have that would compel him to offer that kind of help without it being requested? Surely that was not just his "good deed for the day".

Something about it doesn't sit well with me. He offered advise to help defeat the black candidate.

I am tired of lawyers and preachers and talk show hosts and their benevolent stupidity. How dense to not see the implications of their actions. Today, it is more likely for a black child to be called "nigger" than it was five months ago. And these "leaders" of men had their part to play in that obscenity.

I would like them to shut up, and not be so damned helpful.

Re: Operation Anti-Chaos: The Narrative on ‘ White Voters’ is FICTION

Truthseeker — Sun, 04 May 2008 11:01:00 -0000

Republicans have their own problems with Ron Paul supporters.

Re: Operation Anti-Chaos: The Narrative on ‘ White Voters’ is FICTION

Truthseeker — Sun, 04 May 2008 11:25:00 -0000

Ron Paul supporters have their foot up McCain's butt. Reagan democrats don't want a 100 year war. What was McCain thinking by saying that??!!

Re: Operation Anti-Chaos: The Narrative on ‘ White Voters’ is FICTION

Truthseeker — Sun, 04 May 2008 12:13:00 -0000

Are you suggesting there's ANY demographic that wants a 100 year war?

I heard McWhacko say it myself...100 year war.

Re: Operation Anti-Chaos: The Narrative on ‘ White Voters’ is FICTION

Truthseeker — Sun, 04 May 2008 12:25:00 -0000

Yeah, I was watching. Rangel said Clyburn attacked Clinton. WTF?? And you're right, he did ignore the question. Why would they ignore the numbers...do they think they have that much clout with AA's they can regain their votes afterward?

Re: Funny Sundays: Detroit Councilwoman Conyers Gets "Schooled"

Truthseeker — Sun, 04 May 2008 12:52:00 -0000

I cringe.

Re: Funny Sundays: Detroit Councilwoman Conyers Gets "Schooled"

Truthseeker — Sun, 04 May 2008 12:59:00 -0000

Schooled by an 8th grader. This woman has dropped her basket.

Re: Funny Sundays: Detroit Councilwoman Conyers Gets "Schooled"

Truthseeker — Sun, 04 May 2008 13:57:00 -0000

Ha! antenna-ness,

I just came here to post that article. And, I too wondered if it was an "omen"..lol. Sad for the filly of course. I know that if she had won, Hillary would be touting it on the stump. She asked people at her rally to put money on the horse for her...and they lost! There is some grand symbolic meaning to all this.

Here's the link for anyone interested:

Eight Belles, Kentucky Derby Horse, Dies On Track

Get this...the horse that won is named BIG BROWN, haha

Sorry to hijack your post Jack..this is just irresistible.

Re: Funny Sundays: Detroit Councilwoman Conyers Gets "Schooled"

Truthseeker — Sun, 04 May 2008 17:55:00 -0000

I'm sure we've all encountered combative women like this, they want to fight at the drop of a hat.

I sometimes think they're depressed. It's either they're sad where they can't get out of bed, or it's rage and combativeness with poor impulse control.

If you look at a frame of the video, this woman is clearly, deeply unhappy. Look around her eyes, even when she smiles she looks sad.

Really, it's not normal for a woman in her position to get into an argument with an 8th grader, on camera.

Prescription: Paxil, Zoloft..

that's my psychobabble for the day.

Re: Operation Anti-Chaos: The Narrative on ‘ White Voters’ is FICTION

Truthseeker — Sun, 04 May 2008 18:15:00 -0000

Do you think it possible Clinton would ignore the nomination and continue to run..as an independent perhaps?

Re: Operation Anti-Chaos: The Narrative on ‘ White Voters’ is FICTION

Truthseeker — Sun, 04 May 2008 19:06:00 -0000

I'm not sure her supporters wouldn't be nuts enough to continue to donate. What I thought of was something like a coup in the Democratic party where a section of fundraisers etc. would break off and go with Hillary.

Maybe it's just an overactive imagination, but I can't figure out what she's holding out for.

Re: Hillary Clinton’s Star-Crossed Weekend: Dead Horse, Fake Gun and "Elite" Facts

Truthseeker — Mon, 05 May 2008 01:54:00 -0000

Laughing my head off! Thoroughly enjoyed this post!

Pretty good article on Gary Indiana AA residents. From Canadian magazine Macleans.

Residents of black steel town say they've got Obama's back in Indiana vote

Re: Hillary Clinton’s Star-Crossed Weekend: Dead Horse, Fake Gun and "Elite" Facts

Truthseeker — Mon, 05 May 2008 12:53:00 -0000

Great, alienate the environmental groups with the gas tax holiday, then pander to them to fix it. Clinton policy schizophrenia.

Re: "I’m Not Racist, But This Guy I Know"

Truthseeker — Mon, 05 May 2008 16:36:00 -0000

Good post. I hope ethnic voting data will be kept confidential in the future. It can be used for some good, but more and more, the media uses it to speculate on racial divides which inflame racial tensions.

Re: Jeremiah Wright: Black Boogeyman — And How Obama Can Survive Him

Truthseeker — Mon, 05 May 2008 17:17:00 -0000

@ tlw

One of the ongoing racial problems is there having never been an African American President. Blacks can speak their minds, they just shouldn't assume they speak for everyone; besides, who exactly are they speaking for, when 90% of blacks support Obama?? What they cannot do, is sabotage a black candidate.

I think sometimes we fail to see the forest for the trees. Encapsulated in Obama's run for Presidency, is the kernel of our hopes and dreams. If Wright jeopardizes that - regardless of his reasoning - African American's, Whites, Asians, Hispanics will not forgive him.

Re: Jeremiah Wright: Black Boogeyman — And How Obama Can Survive Him

Truthseeker — Mon, 05 May 2008 17:29:00 -0000

@ tlw,

Black, Hispanic inner-city kids light up because of Obama's success. These kids are starting to think they can get into politics. There has been a massive shift in what they think is possible simply by what Obama is doing. Should one black preacher take that potential away? Who is Wright serving by doing this?

Wright's name will be dirt for generations to come if his actions hurt Obama.

Re: Monday Open Thread - It’s a New Week!

Truthseeker — Mon, 05 May 2008 17:51:00 -0000

ms.martin,

I agree. He'd be a fool to trust her. Obama just got betrayed by his PASTOR! I hope he was paying attention.

Re: Jeremiah Wright: Black Boogeyman — And How Obama Can Survive Him

Truthseeker — Mon, 05 May 2008 19:00:00 -0000

@ tlw,

And what good is it to have a Black president who is too busy trying to transcend race and be race neutral that he sees any discussions on the issue as being "divisive and objectionable."

Obama has not said that discussion on race is divisive and objectionable. He has said essentially, that Rev. Wright's discussions are unhelpful and destructive. Obama himself gave a speech on race that outshone anything that Wright has done. Look at the response Obama's speech got compared to Wright's blustering. What's the point of talking if the people who need to hear, tune you out? Wright's audience is limited because of his combativeness. Wright's blustering serves only for African Americans to worry their wounds...rather than healing them. Obama seeks a much wider audience and healing.

A Black president who denies that there is still racial strife in this country, "There is no Black AMerica, there is no White America.

My contention is with the word "strife". What would you describe as strife? I can see that there is not complete reconciliation. But 2008 can't be compared the 1960's.

That last quote was a call to reconcile over what blacks and whites have in common. I don't think he was saying that's how things are right now.

Tell me how that is supposed to be beneficial to these inner-city school children who live under such terrible circumstances to have a Black president that cannot or will not see that there is a difference in the way that an average White child grows up/lives and an average Black child that grows up/lives in this country.

Barack has great policies on early childhood & college education, jobs and tax credits for the middle class. Religious leaders will continue to work in the community as they have been. That mental shift of seeing a black President is powerful in shaping what these kids see themselves achieving. It will do more than Rev. Wright has done in his 30 year legacy.

So again, in order for this "dream" to come true and for all racism/White supremacy to vanish then we as Black people must know our place and shut the heck up.

Does anyone really believe that racism will vanish. I think black leaders should know when to speak, and do so tactically.

I have said this time and time again, if we look up to politicians and expect for them to improve our lives then we are in serious trouble.

Barack is not just ANY politician, regardless of what Wright says.

Re: Jeremiah Wright: Black Boogeyman — And How Obama Can Survive Him

Truthseeker — Mon, 05 May 2008 19:07:00 -0000

@ brother omi,

When you're a member of a church, the pastor performs baptism's and marriages and funerals as a matter of routine. Trinity has 8,000 members!!! To suggest a baptism or marriage is some special relationship...a church member doesn't vette a pastor before a baptism or marriage. Marriages & baptisms are part of the routine service a church provides to it's members.

What about pedophile priests who performed mass? Should the people receiving mass have known their priests were molesting children? I think pedophilia is far more grievous than anything Wright said.

Re: Monday Open Thread - It’s a New Week!

Truthseeker — Mon, 05 May 2008 19:12:00 -0000

I don't know, I think he'll win NC by about 12 points and I hope he wins Indiana even by a hair. It would be a moral victory in addition to a practical one. To show the people who would divide and race bait that they won't prevail!

Re: Jeremiah Wright: Black Boogeyman — And How Obama Can Survive Him

Truthseeker — Mon, 05 May 2008 20:36:00 -0000

tlw,

Wright humiliated himself before the media he despises. He had the opportunity to rise and command their respect; but instead, he formed the ass. He's an educated man in his 60's and he acted a fool.

Obama has taken so many humiliating jabs, but he doesn't take the bait, he maintains his composure and always manages to rise above it and command respect.

Re: Jeremiah Wright: Black Boogeyman — And How Obama Can Survive Him

Truthseeker — Mon, 05 May 2008 20:38:00 -0000

Wright used the mantle of Christ as a cover for his own ego. In that sense, he is more vile than any politician.

Re: Jeremiah Wright: Black Boogeyman — And How Obama Can Survive Him

Truthseeker — Mon, 05 May 2008 22:24:00 -0000

tlw,

The HIV thing was pretty embarrassing from a man who should know better. All he could offer as evidence when asked about it, was a single book. That's like saying you believe in woodland creatures and offering Enid Blyton as evidence.

He mocked the Kennedy's. He knows they endorsed Barack. he could have found a better way to state his point about language. In fact, his point was lost in the tomfoolery. You don't hear anyone analyzing the wisdom of his speech like they did about Barack's race speech. All I hear is sadness at his betrayal.

He was rude to the young woman asking the questions. Is that any way for a distinguished older man to treat a young woman?

What was up with the "talk about my Mama" stuff? Craig may be right about the bipolar disorder. Either that, or Wright was showing off. He went from calm and sedate on Moyers to manic and out of control at the Press Club.

Re: Jeremiah Wright: Black Boogeyman — And How Obama Can Survive Him

Truthseeker — Mon, 05 May 2008 22:44:00 -0000

@ The Christian Progressive Liberal,

I agree that Barack SEEMS to get backed into things. It would be comforting to see him take more proactive steps.

Re: Jeremiah Wright: Black Boogeyman — And How Obama Can Survive Him

Truthseeker — Mon, 05 May 2008 23:00:00 -0000

@ tlw,

If Barack took your advice, he would lose for sure. Is that what you want? This is not a vanity campaign. This is not his opportunity to prove how racist America is so he can return to the pulpit and rail about it. Barack is not a loser, he is playing to win!

People say rotten things all the time, we don't go off and retaliate. Barack is not like Conyers' wife, who's become a laughing stock and object of derision to a much less accomplished reporter, not to mention the 8th grader.

These people can talk, but they can't physically hurt Barack or his family, why should he destroy his entire career. He is stronger for not always taking the bait.

Re: INTRODUCING…..

Truthseeker — Mon, 05 May 2008 23:21:00 -0000

Welcome and congratulations!

Re: Jeremiah Wright: Black Boogeyman — And How Obama Can Survive Him

Truthseeker — Mon, 05 May 2008 23:37:00 -0000

tlw,

Because those things are said of Obama by his opponents within the context of a political campaign. The person who called him a boy had to apologize. Barack was not competing with Wright...or so he thought. Wright injected himself into the campaign and Obama had to eject him.

We put up with things all the time in order to achieve a greater end. Obama's been getting death threats, compared to that, these things are petty.

Re: Jeremiah Wright: Black Boogeyman — And How Obama Can Survive Him

Truthseeker — Mon, 05 May 2008 23:44:00 -0000

ms.martin,

Could be... I think he is being wisely restrained; however, there is still room for a little boldness.

Re: Jeremiah Wright: Black Boogeyman — And How Obama Can Survive Him

Truthseeker — Tue, 06 May 2008 01:23:00 -0000

I don't think the presidential campaign is the place to demonstrate that black women are worth fighting for.

Michelle is not under attack. Barack's bid for the Presidency is under attack via Michelle.

Axelrod said Michelle gives them heartburn with her frankness and humour. Clearly, this is within the context of a campaign where everything you say is scrutinized. It's not an insult. It just means they're nervous about her outspokenness. What should Barack do, tell them off to defend his woman? I'll bet he's nervous too.

Barack cannot satisfy all our needs. He cannot be the defender of black women, the hope of the Black church, champion of black masculinity and race czar.

I don't know if Barack will survive our neediness.

Re: Jeremiah Wright: Black Boogeyman — And How Obama Can Survive Him

Truthseeker — Tue, 06 May 2008 11:52:00 -0000

hearsandflowers,

Thanks for the response. I don't think the things said of Michelle are indicative of devaluing black women. I think it is to challenge Barack's candidacy where Michelle is simply a conduit to attack him.

If Andyfrombrooklyn is correct, then I think that was the way to handle it. Really, had Barack responded directly I can imaging what that conversation would have been like. Barack would have ended up the loser no doubt. I don't think Barack to rise to the bait of every low-life, self-serving tv host.

Lou Dobbs tries to bait Obama also, by demanding an apology. The worst thing is for Obama to publicly acknowledge them and help their ratings, which is what they want.

Re: "I’m Not Racist, But This Guy I Know"

Truthseeker — Tue, 06 May 2008 11:57:00 -0000

Well, Obama's pushed the mighty Clinton's into a corner. Now they must go mining in Republican bigot territory just to stay viable. Ha!

Of course, most bigots are also sexist. If they have a choice between a white woman or white man, they'll probably choose the man. Ah, the tangled web the Clinton's weave!

Re: Report From The Ground In Indiana

Truthseeker — Tue, 06 May 2008 20:08:00 -0000

I'm biting my nails for Indiana counties where Obama should do well!!

Re: Election Thread…Obama Wins North Carolina

Truthseeker — Tue, 06 May 2008 22:36:00 -0000

Oh, I'm hoping!!!! Here's an article about Gary residents saying they have Obama's back.

Residents of black steel town say they've got Obama's back in Indiana vote

Re: Election Thread…Obama Wins North Carolina

Truthseeker — Tue, 06 May 2008 22:41:00 -0000

ok, here we go begging for money.

Re: Election Thread…Obama Wins North Carolina

Truthseeker — Tue, 06 May 2008 22:45:00 -0000

Wait a sec....she didn't congratulate Obama!!!! Or did I miss it?

Re: Election Thread…Obama Wins North Carolina

Truthseeker — Tue, 06 May 2008 22:57:00 -0000

I agree. This woman has no intention of helping unite the party. If she did she would have congratulated Obama right at the top of her speech. She would have asked her supporters to give him a round of applause.

Now, she's going to try and twist the arm of the Dems to seat FL and MI.

Unbelievable!

Re: Clinton Wins Indiana Via Rush Limbaugh’s ‘Operation Chaos’

Truthseeker — Tue, 06 May 2008 23:07:00 -0000

Correct me if I'm wrong...but, I'm pretty sure she didn't congratulate him during her speech.

I'm holding out for Lake county, I'm hoping he wins, even by a hair!

Do you guys believe in omens? That unfortunate filly Eight Belles broke BOTH her legs.

Re: Clinton Wins Indiana Via Rush Limbaugh’s ‘Operation Chaos’

Truthseeker — Tue, 06 May 2008 23:08:00 -0000

Now, poor Lanny is losing his composure.

Re: Clinton Wins Indiana Via Rush Limbaugh’s ‘Operation Chaos’

Truthseeker — Tue, 06 May 2008 23:12:00 -0000

Hooray Jeff Toobin! It is VERY suspicious that Lake refuses to release partial counts until absentee ballots are counted.

Re: Election Thread…Obama Wins North Carolina

Truthseeker — Tue, 06 May 2008 23:14:00 -0000

Did you guys hear Jeff Toobin? He thought it suspicious that Lake county refused to release partial results until absentee ballots were counted. It could cover up any irregularities with the count if you can't see an jump in the numbers.

Re: Clinton Wins Indiana Via Rush Limbaugh’s ‘Operation Chaos’

Truthseeker — Tue, 06 May 2008 23:42:00 -0000

Hmm, I didn't think of the suspicious Lake delay from the perspective of helping Obama. I thought that Hillary has more at stake, and if there's any monkey business going on there, it's on her side.

Re: Clinton Wins Indiana Via Rush Limbaugh’s ‘Operation Chaos’

Truthseeker — Tue, 06 May 2008 23:44:00 -0000

pamela,

I think that's such a bad move for them to delay the counts. Now, there'll be a cloud of suspicion over it no matter which way it swings.

Re: Clinton Wins Indiana Via Rush Limbaugh’s ‘Operation Chaos’

Truthseeker — Tue, 06 May 2008 23:57:00 -0000

I predicted Barack would win NC by 12 and Indiana by a hair. He won NC by 14.....and I almost can't stand the suspence he might win Indiana by a hair!

Re: Clinton Wins Indiana Via Rush Limbaugh’s ‘Operation Chaos’

Truthseeker — Wed, 07 May 2008 00:01:00 -0000

CNN was good tonight! Gergin took issue with Lanny for suggesting that it was Barack's fault that MI and FL were not already seated.

Re: Clinton Wins Indiana Via Rush Limbaugh’s ‘Operation Chaos’

Truthseeker — Wed, 07 May 2008 00:16:00 -0000

Do employers allow time during the day to vote?

I thought it strange that polls close at 6pm.

Re: Clinton Wins Indiana Via Rush Limbaugh’s ‘Operation Chaos’

Truthseeker — Wed, 07 May 2008 00:29:00 -0000

diana,

yep, Hillary suggested that the underdog filly (the only female in the race) was somehow comparable to herself. She asked people in her rally to put money on the horse for her. Chelsea showed up at the Derby and I think McAuliffe too. The horse came in second after snapping both legs. The vets had to euthanize her. It is tragic for sure. But, when I read the story, it gave me a chill. It had the quality of a prophetic dream or warning.

Re: Clinton Wins Indiana Via Rush Limbaugh’s ‘Operation Chaos’

Truthseeker — Wed, 07 May 2008 01:10:00 -0000

I dunno, this doesn't look good. What the Mayor's saying is not making sense. He's not giving any valid reasons for the delay. I don't say anything untoward is happening, but all it takes is the APPEARANCE that this is not on the up and up regardless of who it benefits.

They're asking why didn't they release the machine numbers right away. It's 1am for pete's sake.

Re: GIVE CLINTON THE DELEGATES FROM FLORIDA? SH—-EET

Truthseeker — Wed, 07 May 2008 15:33:00 -0000

Even worse than the Hillary joint ticket idea, was the one where they thought Al Gore would step in and be the nominee.

Re: Ill Doctrine’s Exclusive Footage Of Hillary’s Meet w Party Leaders

Truthseeker — Thu, 08 May 2008 02:16:00 -0000

If you're getting only 6 percent of ANY demographic, - as Hillary did with AA's - you're in serious trouble.

Re: Toni Morrison Says What I’ve Been Saying For Years

Truthseeker — Thu, 08 May 2008 14:11:00 -0000

Right. Her explanation was pretty weak. You see, there's the small matter that Bill Clinton was actually guilty! The idea of "lynching" and victimization of black men is based on the their innocence, not so with Bill.

What, Toni doesn't believe we understand metaphor? Anyway, Blackness is precious real estate that belongs to us(blacks) all. No one black person has the right to bestow blackness upon any person. She was over-exuberant in her description and it came back to haunt and embarrass primarily African Americans. Especially in light of the Clinton's role in the Rwanda Genocide and Haitian refugee crisis.

Bill's bestowed blackness is permanently revoked!

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

Truthseeker — Thu, 08 May 2008 15:22:00 -0000

Hillary to English Dictionary

Hillary: "I'm staying in this race"

Translation:

"Everybody back up, I've got a gun!"

"Hillary will drop out by June 15"

Translation:

"Don't scream and I won't kill you"

Hillary: "He can't win"

Translation:

"But, he's black!!"

Hillary: "..Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again.."

Translation:

"Hey everybody...he's black! He's black, blaaaaaack!!!!!

Re: Toni Morrison Says What I’ve Been Saying For Years

Truthseeker — Thu, 08 May 2008 18:09:00 -0000

Clinton booed, while Chelsea heckled in W. Virginia with poll

Obamamania sweeps the Hill (with video)

Re: Final Indiana Results

Truthseeker — Thu, 08 May 2008 19:09:00 -0000

They sure did!

Re: Clinton Makes Case For WHITE Appeal

Truthseeker — Thu, 08 May 2008 19:29:00 -0000

Yeah!...Matthews subjected Wolfson to a virtual anal probe.

Hillary is trying to rob African Americans especially of the magic of this moment. She sends out her surrogates to make appearances and says inflammatory things to take our eyes off Barack. She knows the only way she'll get coverage is if she says things like this. She's also inciting anger and activating latent feelings within African Americans. To what end....I'm not sure.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

Truthseeker — Thu, 08 May 2008 19:55:00 -0000

LOL...

good find Craig.

Re: Harvey Weinstein Threatens Nancy Pelosi

Truthseeker — Thu, 08 May 2008 22:04:00 -0000

Funny..I was thinking just that earlier today. The stories the Clinton campaign insiders must have to tell!

Re: Obama’s White Support Similar to Kerry’s in 2004

Truthseeker — Thu, 08 May 2008 22:54:00 -0000

Then anonymous, why are you here?

Why not let things play out as you predict...smug in the knowledge your candidate will win?

McCain is an empty suit. He has no original ideas that rise to the occasion of the times. He follows the failed template of Bush. The America people are ready and awake and have no patience for your foolishness! They are losing their houses and Republicans are fighting the same lame battles.

Re: Final Indiana Results

Truthseeker — Thu, 08 May 2008 23:03:00 -0000

Plouff posted on the Obama site that Hillary had to lend herself money...so, I guess the heavy spending in PA was part of a strategy to put her campaign in the red.

Wolfson said today on Hardball that she will continue to fund the campaign if necessary. He didn't say by how much.

Re: Obama’s White Support Similar to Kerry’s in 2004

Truthseeker — Thu, 08 May 2008 23:19:00 -0000

Big deal anonymous. Mahmoud is a trash talker. He panders to his people, like McCain and Clinton. Obama is not trigger happy. He is sober and calm but deadly. Pull the lever for McCain and immediately after, you'll feel a wave of depression.

Re: Obama’s White Support Similar to Kerry’s in 2004

Truthseeker — Thu, 08 May 2008 23:22:00 -0000

Real men know the difference between trash talk and true danger. While Republicans are having a knee jerk reaction to every verbal threat, China is getting ready to call in their loans.

Re: Obama’s White Support Similar to Kerry’s in 2004

Truthseeker — Thu, 08 May 2008 23:35:00 -0000

anonymous, life is about managing potential threat. It is not about being frightened of everything equally. It is not about expending emotional energy on trash talk.

When Obama gets through with him, McCain will be curled up on his mother's lap in a fetal position sucking his thumb.

Re: Clinton Makes Case For WHITE Appeal

Truthseeker — Thu, 08 May 2008 23:37:00 -0000

Hey jonzee,

MiaT's videos are great. Everybody should click on the link above...

Re: Obama’s White Support Similar to Kerry’s in 2004

Truthseeker — Fri, 09 May 2008 00:48:00 -0000

Ha..ditch the old guy and get on board the Obama train!

Re: Rasmussen Calls the Democratic Race for Obama

Truthseeker — Fri, 09 May 2008 11:47:00 -0000

Ronnie b,

"Dredging swamps for the white-bigot-vote.." HA!

All the drama and the surrogate appearances yesterday was to create the impression that Hillary is still a contender. Trying to distract attention from Obama but Eight Belles is still a "close second".

Hillary just doesn't know when to yield. Her presidency would be a nightmare! She'd be there trying to convince you red is black and up is really down. Can you imagine?

Re: Friday Open Thread…..yeah, it’s Friday

Truthseeker — Fri, 09 May 2008 13:22:00 -0000

c,

Yes, in these circumstances it is worth the consequences to invade. But, it would be done by the U.N., not the USA.

Re: Rasmussen Calls the Democratic Race for Obama

Truthseeker — Fri, 09 May 2008 13:27:00 -0000

@ craig hickman,

what's up with John and John?

Re: Through The Looking Glass…….

Truthseeker — Fri, 09 May 2008 16:48:00 -0000

I read on HuffPo that the open letter from Hillary had 2 typo's in addition to factual errors.

Also, Obama got 8 superdelegates today.

Re: Friday Open Thread…..yeah, it’s Friday

Truthseeker — Fri, 09 May 2008 16:59:00 -0000

@ craig,

I like Claire too. I think she once said that she wouldn't like her daughter to be in the same room with Bill Clinton?

That is a good article...but, what does it have to do with Claire?

Re: James Clyburn -Trying to be the Canary in the Mine

Truthseeker — Fri, 09 May 2008 19:42:00 -0000

sort of like Jimmy Carter.

Re: Rasmussen Calls the Democratic Race for Obama

Truthseeker — Fri, 09 May 2008 19:43:00 -0000

His office backtracked on it later I think.

Re: James Clyburn -Trying to be the Canary in the Mine

Truthseeker — Fri, 09 May 2008 20:26:00 -0000

hi angela,

what's the lay of the land in KY with regard to the Obama Hillary split?

Re: Friday Open Thread…..yeah, it’s Friday

Truthseeker — Fri, 09 May 2008 23:51:00 -0000

d,

Yes, I know. I can't imagine a USA unilateral invasion. I think it would have to be a coalition force directed by the U.N.

Whatever they're doing, they better move fast.

Re: Friday Open Thread…..yeah, it’s Friday

Truthseeker — Fri, 09 May 2008 23:59:00 -0000

Craig,

actually, she said on "Meet the Press" she didn't want her daughter "near" Bill Clinton. Here's the short clip for anyone intersted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0EBi1W4jL0

Re: James Clyburn -Trying to be the Canary in the Mine

Truthseeker — Sat, 10 May 2008 09:50:00 -0000

b-serious,

Doesn't Oregon vote by mail? From what I've read, possibly most people in Oregon have already sent in their ballots...and probably voted based on the influence of the current narrative: Obama's visit to the Hill, the media saying it's over etc. They might not wait for WV or KY to vote before they cast their votes.

Maybe Obama's got something stealthy planned for WV & KY. I hope so, Lanny was looking way too smug on Larry King last night.

Re: James Clyburn -Trying to be the Canary in the Mine

Truthseeker — Sat, 10 May 2008 10:09:00 -0000

...then he'll probably release his fundraising numbers if Clinton releases hers.

Re: Friday Open Thread…..yeah, it’s Friday

Truthseeker — Sat, 10 May 2008 11:00:00 -0000

whiner? weiner? congressman dick?

http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=e1a18070-1954-40c3-9d54-25db55e3b73d

Re: Rasmussen Calls the Democratic Race for Obama

Truthseeker — Sat, 10 May 2008 14:47:00 -0000

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0120-30.htm

Re: Obama Launches Vote For Change, A Massive 50-State Registration Drive

Truthseeker — Sat, 10 May 2008 19:45:00 -0000

Michelle Obama talks about her role if she is First Lady

Re: Obama Launches Vote For Change, A Massive 50-State Registration Drive

Truthseeker — Sat, 10 May 2008 20:07:00 -0000

Conyers 'worried' about Clinton's impact on Dems' presidential chances

Re: James Clyburn -Trying to be the Canary in the Mine

Truthseeker — Sat, 10 May 2008 20:45:00 -0000

Politicians are strange creatures, ms.martin. They are phony as a matter of course. They cut each other one day and smile for the cameras the next...just like they cut us and then pander another day. Everybody is expected to swallow hurt feeling for political expediency.

I couldn't survive in that environment, and don't know how they do it. We are appalled at the race-baiting, yet they remain placid and tell us this is politics. This is something foul, really politics has to change.

Re: Obama Launches Vote For Change, A Massive 50-State Registration Drive

Truthseeker — Sat, 10 May 2008 23:06:00 -0000

Hillary Holds Private Conference Call With Her Super-Dels: "I Know This Is Not Easy"

Do you believer what she says?

Re: Sunday Open Thread

Truthseeker — Sun, 11 May 2008 15:19:00 -0000

CodePink steps on Hillary's cookies (with video)(updated)

Code Pink crashes a Hillary fundraiser with a banner demanding an apology for "Obliterate Iran" statement.

Re: Sunday Open Thread

Truthseeker — Sun, 11 May 2008 22:17:00 -0000

@ Rikyrah,

re the Obama campaign delegate spreadsheet.

Ha! So, no wonder Obama is so serene. He's had this whole thing planned from day one! Hillary lost even before she began. Empty suit, only gives good speeches, inexperienced, plagiarist...I've been wanting to do this for some time:

BWA HAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

Today I became convinced she's taking this to the convention floor no matter what. She's got that strange glitter in her eye.

Re: Sunday Open Thread

Truthseeker — Sun, 11 May 2008 22:51:00 -0000

also there's this regarding Obama paying of Hillary's debt. Axelrod says Obama won't be transferring money to Clinton's campaign:

Obama camp: Clinton not looking for a deal

Re: Monday Open Thread - How was the weekend?

Truthseeker — Mon, 12 May 2008 12:48:00 -0000

If Michelle is angry, then she has every right. The first time I saw her, I thought her very reserved. There wasn't anything so much about her physical appearance except two vertical lines between her brows that indicate worry, stress and sometimes anger.

Then I learned she went to Harvard and I thought "oh shit". Certainly, one can imagine the sort of things she went through in the 70's. And sure enough, the story came out about her white roomate attempting to get transferred so as not to bunk with a black person. I am sure Michelle sensed that she wasn't welcome. A lifetime of those experiences can hurt. I think any worry or anger in that context, is a defense mechanism.

People like Hannity can sense those things too. They will poke at her sore spots as a way to take down Obama's bid for the Presidency. They want Obama to get angry and react like a man, and defend his woman - which is what he should NOT do.

I am sure Michelle doesn't need Obama to prove his devotion. I don't know why anyone outside would need him to prove it. They obviously adore each other. Which brings to mind another thing. They've got nothing on the Obama's as a family. There's nothing sordid in their that they can attack.

Cindy's got sore spots too. She is deeply humiliated by the stories about John calling her a "cunt". I saw her sitting behind him on the stump, she was staring off into the distance with a strange expression. Despite her wealth, she may have serious self-confidence issues. John is a weasel and a bully. He hides behind Cindy when convenient. Bullies don't marry strong women. I am sure Cindy is the frequent recipient of his rage.

These people are very human. The question is, what kind of human are they. And, how do these things portend the kind of leaders they'll be.

Re: Monday Open Thread - How was the weekend?

Truthseeker — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:05:00 -0000

Well Felicia,

Stay safe while volunteering. The whole world is watching these elections. I am sure KY and WV will have a serious tourism problem after this is all over.

Re: Monday Open Thread - How was the weekend?

Truthseeker — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:12:00 -0000

ms.martin,

Sure. My point is that any Ivy League school in the 70's with few blacks would be a harrowing experience for a young black woman. My own father was a little traumatized after attending University in London in the 60's. To this day he refuses to live in any Europe or N. America. He doesn't talk about it extensively, but I can fill in the blanks.

Re: Monday Open Thread - How was the weekend?

Truthseeker — Mon, 12 May 2008 13:53:00 -0000

d,

She did have enough "sense". Her exact quote is:

"For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country; and, not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change."

So, anyone with moderate comprehension skills and a low level of malice will see that she modifies her initial sentence with the explanation that she is especially proud now because people are hungry for change.

I think you suffer from an honesty deficit, d. There is nothing questionable to me about the quote above because I have no malice toward Michelle and I understand her modifier.

Re: Monday Open Thread - How was the weekend?

Truthseeker — Mon, 12 May 2008 14:39:00 -0000

@ ppm,

Ha!...It's good to know someone else see those looks! He actually touches her. He puts his hand on the small of her back or around her waist. There is obvious intimacy there, so much so it kinda makes me blush. It is good to think that the President and first lady are having lots of sex - with each other - and enjoying it! Maybe then, he won't go bomb bomb bombing Iran.

I watch Cindy and John, and they may as well be a hundred miles apart.

Re: Monday Open Thread - How was the weekend?

Truthseeker — Mon, 12 May 2008 15:14:00 -0000

Jeff Toobin tells the truth on CNN panels. It's refreshing.
Toobin: A McCain Court Could Overturn Roe In "Maybe A Year"

Jenna Bush got married. She looked lovely. I felt happy for her. It can't be easy to be George Jr.'s daughter.

20/20 Exclusive: The First Daughter's First TV Interview

Re: Monday Open Thread - How was the weekend?

Truthseeker — Mon, 12 May 2008 16:12:00 -0000

Obama Over The Top: How New Voters Could Redraw The Electoral Map

Screw the MSM. It is VITAL that AA's are registered to vote and get any necessary ID and that they turn out to vote!

Ha, losers!

GOP's New Slogan Already Being Used To Market Anti-Depressant

Re: Monday Open Thread - How was the weekend?

Truthseeker — Mon, 12 May 2008 16:17:00 -0000

@ anonymous 01:10:00 PM

You must have a REALLY, really small penis.

Re: Monday Open Thread - How was the weekend?

Truthseeker — Mon, 12 May 2008 16:52:00 -0000

b-serious,

brilliant post on MLK vs Malcolm!

Re: Monday Open Thread - How was the weekend?

Truthseeker — Mon, 12 May 2008 16:54:00 -0000

At anonymous,

is it that your penis is so small that it seems you don't have one; or, is it that you're female?

There is nothing racist about highlighting a lone white guy on an all black campus. It's an oddity.

Re: Monday Open Thread - How was the weekend?

Truthseeker — Mon, 12 May 2008 17:25:00 -0000

@ anonymous,

I enjoy a good verbal fight; but, I don't have a snappy comeback right now, so I'll let you get away with that.

Re: ABC Spreading Bad Info On Obama? I’m Shocked. SHOCKED!

Truthseeker — Tue, 13 May 2008 15:08:00 -0000

Yeah, that was infuriating. Some reporters act as if there are no objective, verifiable facts any more.....as if whatever you choose to believe is real and they have no responsibility to set the record straight. If this is so, then why do we need them? Is it just to reinforce our fantasies?

History will not look kindly on this time.

Re: Obama & Working Class White Voters: ‘Problem’ or not?

Truthseeker — Tue, 13 May 2008 21:48:00 -0000

It ain't gonna happen intrepidblackman. She'll get a slight donation boost after tonight..but it won't help. It costs about a million a day for her campaign and she is already 21 million in debt. That 21 mil is already higher after the last few weeks campaigning.

John King & Donna Brazile are schooling Howard Wolfson on the NUMBERS. Howard doesn't look so cocky anymore though.

Re: Obama & Working Class White Voters: ‘Problem’ or not?

Truthseeker — Tue, 13 May 2008 21:50:00 -0000

..also, Malveaux said in talking to someone who's a Clinton advisor, they say it's her first, then party second. Hear that Superdelegates??!!

It's possible Obama has SD's in reserve and is releasing them strategically.

Re: Obama & Working Class White Voters: ‘Problem’ or not?

Truthseeker — Tue, 13 May 2008 21:51:00 -0000

Seven percent so far voted John Edwards.

Re: Give Me Strength…

Truthseeker — Tue, 13 May 2008 21:57:00 -0000

dnA,

I am sure Houghton Mifflin will take action. They do not want a beloved children's character associated with a racist message...and certainly not a copyrighted one.

Re: Tuesday Open Thread: What’s Up, People?

Truthseeker — Tue, 13 May 2008 22:12:00 -0000

Malveaux of CNN is such a tool.

John's magic map??!!! Yippee! Got me all hot and bothered!

Re: Biggest Election of the Night - Mississippi’s First District

Truthseeker — Tue, 13 May 2008 23:00:00 -0000

The win is up to 6 points now.

Re: Biggest Election of the Night - Mississippi’s First District

Truthseeker — Tue, 13 May 2008 23:10:00 -0000

anonymous,

how will Hillary get African American's to vote for her in 2012, not to mention all the people of other ethncities who now despise her?

Even when Barack loses, he wins!(Childers).

Re: Biggest Election of the Night - Mississippi’s First District

Truthseeker — Wed, 14 May 2008 00:40:00 -0000

I confess, I was thinking there were death threats in WV.

Re: Wednesday Open Thread - Speak your mind

Truthseeker — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:47:00 -0000

Re the popular vote..

Wolf did scenarios on The Situation Room last week and he showed that even if Florida and Michigan were counted as-is, Barack would still be ahead in every metric. They had to estimate the popular vote numbers for the caucus states.

I'll see if I can find it on redlasso.

B-serious is right. The Clinton campaign is stalling for time. They know the numbers don't favour them in ANY scenario. But they keep stalling for time. Each time we get to a crossroads, they come out and offer another improbable metric as why they should be allowed to continue.

The latest carrot has been the 2209 number. It sets the groundwork so that when Obama reaches 2025 in a couple weeks, they will be able to say it doesn't count, and justify staying in the race until the convention. Also, Obama's been posting a running delegate tally on his page. The 2209 makes him seem farther away from the finish line and imply there's no way for him to reach 2209.

Democrats may not realize they've been had until it's too late. They've been lulled into a false sense of security by Hillary's constant spinning and the carrots.

Re: Wednesday Open Thread - Speak your mind

Truthseeker — Wed, 14 May 2008 14:15:00 -0000

@ d,

...People from all over the world are phonebanking for Obama. Republicans and Hillary supporters also phonebank against him..... they probably say unflattering things. Instead of putting their names down, they type names like "Operation Chaos" against their list of calls made.

So, what does that say about Obama that all these people phonebank for, or against him?

You ARE insinuating they're terrorists. Like I said, People from the UK and Europe also phonebank as well as Republicans and Hillary supporters.

Re: Wednesday Open Thread - Speak your mind

Truthseeker — Wed, 14 May 2008 16:00:00 -0000

d,

you ask a lot of questions but never answer any. I want to know what it says about Barack that people in UK, Canada, France, the Netherlands, Republicans, Hillary supporters use his phonebank tool?

Re: Wednesday Open Thread - Speak your mind

Truthseeker — Wed, 14 May 2008 16:57:00 -0000

teacher,

I think that deal is between the DNC and each campaign. I believe the funds will be separate...but someone who knows for sure can confirm.

Re: Wednesday Open Thread - Speak your mind

Truthseeker — Wed, 14 May 2008 17:42:00 -0000

Yeah, it's pretty ugly over on the NARAL board. I posted a positive comment...It looked so tiny and lonesome LOL

Re: Wednesday Open Thread - Speak your mind

Truthseeker — Wed, 14 May 2008 17:51:00 -0000

With Edwards' endorsement maybe more supers will not only endorse but switch to Obama by week's end to nullify any designs Hillary has on seating FL & MI or changing the delegates to 2210. Even so, she'll still take it to the Convention under the pretense that delegates can change their minds.

I am sure she will NEVER drop out. This is going to the convention and even after that, she will continue to make trouble. I don't know how Dems didn't see this coming.

Re: Wednesday Open Thread - Speak your mind

Truthseeker — Wed, 14 May 2008 20:06:00 -0000

Just saw this on the Hillary blog comment section. I don't thing it was covered by the MSM..they were busy reporting on the Edwards Endorsement! HA:

6:15 p.m. TONIGHT: Members of Congress To Hold Press Conference On Hillary’s Strong Pro-Choice Record

Clinton National Campaign Co-Chair Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones and other Members of Congress will hold a press conference at 6:15 p.m. EDT tonight to discuss Hillary Clinton’s strong pro-choice record.

Members voicing their support today for Clinton’s advocacy on behalf of a woman’s right to choose include, Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones, Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, Rep. Nita Lowey, Rep. Jane Harman, Rep. Diane Watson, Rep. Diana DeGette, Rep. Doris Matsui, Rep. Laura Richardson, Rep. Carolyn Maloney, Rep. Louise Slaughter, Rep. Allyson Schwartz, Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand, Rep. Corrine Brown, Rep. Yvette Clarke, Rep. Darlene Hooley, Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard, Rep. Linda Sanchez, Rep. Tammy Baldwin, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, Rep. Hilda Solis, Rep. Nydia Velazquez, Rep. Betty Sutton, Rep. Grace Napolitano and Rep. Shelley Berkley.

Wednesday, May 14

6:15 p.m. EDT

Members of Congress Discuss Hillary’s Strong Pro-Choice Record

Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee

Second Floor Conference Room

430 South Capitol Street

Washington, DC

Re: Appalachia

Truthseeker — Wed, 14 May 2008 20:32:00 -0000

I once read in the Caribbean during slavery, the Irish were given the most dangerous tasks on a plantation. They were considered to be worth less than African slaves because they were not seen as physically resilient. I thought back then, that it would create a degree of solidarity between the two groups...but, maybe not.

Re: Johnny "Come Lately" Edwards To Endorse Democratic Nominee

Truthseeker — Wed, 14 May 2008 20:43:00 -0000

I'm not feeling Edwards either. I think he's self-serving. And, that speech seemed slightly dismissive of Barack....It's almost as if they want to co-opt Barack's success and popularity for the Democratic party leadership.

Re: Wednesday Open Thread - Speak your mind

Truthseeker — Wed, 14 May 2008 21:12:00 -0000

..Not buying that.

Re: Wednesday Open Thread - Speak your mind

Truthseeker — Wed, 14 May 2008 23:35:00 -0000

On Huffington, I found this dead on comment on how Lanny would respond to the Edwards endorment

FogBelter

Has Lanny Davis chimed in on this endorsement? He would probably say something like ...

--Now everyone knows the respect I have for Senator Obama, but lets be clear here ... just because Senator Edwards stands beside him at a gathering of four or five people and says nice things ... maybe even invokes the word "endorse" itself ... that doesn't need to be considered as an official "endorsement" of Senator Obama ... I know ... I know ... there are a lot of passionate Obama supporters who may ... think ... they heard an endorsement, but from where I am sitting here ... and what I observed ... I would be hard pressed to see an endorsement in Senator Edwards drop by in Michigan ... I respect Senator Obama, you know I do, but we are playing semantic games here when we should be focusing on Senator Clinton's 41 point victory in West Virginia ... and one more thing ...--

Re: dNa BEAT ME TO THIS…

Truthseeker — Thu, 15 May 2008 01:40:00 -0000

I don't find this post hateful. I think a lot of people are shaken up over the racist comments they got while phonebanking and canvassing...That's factual.

Borg Queen, is a fitting metaphor. Hillary seen as queen bee in a hive-like political culture.

I don't find it too much.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

Truthseeker — Thu, 15 May 2008 08:54:00 -0000

bpm,

I think you're right. That "pussy" thing kept playing in my head as I watched John's body language during the endorsement. I really wasn't listening to the speech, just kept looking over at the two of them and not liking the vibe.

Edwards' body was not "open" to Barack..and Edwards stood there and virtually ignored Obama while drinking up the applause as if it was really for him. It was a stark contrast to Bill Richardson's endorsement where Bill had a huge smile and seemed genuinely joyful.

I think John has decided he better jump on the bandwagon; because, Barack is now the most powerful person in the Dem party. I think John is a self-serving prick, and hope Barack knows, and gives John NOTHING.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

Truthseeker — Thu, 15 May 2008 12:54:00 -0000

There is one good thing I can see about Edwards. It's that it sort of marginalizes Hillary's growing narrative that she's indispensable. Her message is "you can't get there without me". Barack and the Dems don't NEED her in order to win.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

Truthseeker — Thu, 15 May 2008 14:42:00 -0000

Got this from Ben Smith

Clinton vs. Obama, 1.0

A reader points out a tidbit in Time I hadn't known, concerning Obama's failed 2000 run against Bobby Rush:

It fell to Bill Clinton to deliver the coup de grace. The President broke his policy of staying neutral in primaries and endorsed Rush in a glowing radio spot. When it was over, Rush piled up 61% of the vote, compared with 30% for Obama. He lost the most heavily black wards by more than 4 to 1. The race was called before Obama could even make his way to a would-be victory party at the Ramada Inn in Hyde Park.

So, I guess Obama and Bill go back a ways....lol

@ Rikyrah,

I couldn't find any video of that Congresswoman press conference in protest of the NARAL endorsment. Anybody have a link?

If you want a laugh, mosey on down to the Hillary website and read the blogs. Here, Wolfson is embroiled in a misinformation campaign. In discussions of the popular vote, Barack is never given credit for the caucus votes. Do they really believe they can win this nomination via smoke and mirrors?

by Howard Wolfson, Communications Director

5/15/2008 11:07:40 AM

Leading the Popular Vote: According to ABC News, Hillary’s West Virginia victory put her over the top in the popular vote. She now leads Sen. Obama 16,691,283 to 16,647,926 when Florida and Michigan are included in the count.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

Truthseeker — Thu, 15 May 2008 14:53:00 -0000

Hillary and the Congresswomen who support her are involved in a breach of trust. Hillary has suggested that McCain is a more viable choice for POTUS that Obama, knowing full well that McCain is notorious for his anti-abortion stance. She also lied in NH about Barack's pro choice stance. Hillary's supporters are considering voting for McCain as a consequence of all this. She has caused women to consider voting against their best interest. NARAL made the only choice they could under these circumstances.

Re: Thursday Open Thread- Let it all hang out

Truthseeker — Thu, 15 May 2008 16:03:00 -0000

Another tidbit from the Hillary blogs.

A few of the women there say last night they got email from John requesting donations. One woman was livid because she said she'd sent him numerous emails asking him to endorse Hillary, but her emails were never acknowledged.

Re: Daily Open Thread - TGIF

Truthseeker — Fri, 16 May 2008 12:50:00 -0000

Tip to highlight and copy a long url:

Drag the mouse pointer out past the edge of the tiny window a couple inches, then right click to copy.

Re: Daily Open Thread - TGIF

Truthseeker — Fri, 16 May 2008 14:16:00 -0000

I think McCain is inexperienced.

Re: Daily Open Thread - TGIF

Truthseeker — Fri, 16 May 2008 14:57:00 -0000

I just went to the Hillary website and they have a link asking supporters to send messages to the DNC to count MI & FL. So, I clicked on the link to give my two cents:

Florida and Michigan should not count in any way that would reward the state legislature for breaking the rules.

They should not count in any way that would de-fraud the millions of voters who did not go out to vote, because they were assured it was not a valid election.'

FL & MI should not count in any way that usurps the DNC's authority and makes it impossible for the DNC to enforce the rules in the future.

They should not count in any way that drastically alters the outcome of the Primaries to benefit one candidate over another. Nor should it count in any way that rewards Senator Clinton for breaking her written and verbal agreement that these elections would not count.

So, they require an email address - I faked one. Then when I clicked submit, it took me directly to a fundraising page...LOL. Hillary is a piece of work I tell ya.

Re: Daily Open Thread - TGIF

Truthseeker — Fri, 16 May 2008 15:22:00 -0000

Brain Dump

I don't know what it is about John Edwards exactly. I know he is infected with the old politics virus and I believe that he thinks Obama is a "pussy". Maybe John has issues with his masculinity. That reptilian brained Anne Coulter seemed to sense it, and proceeded to call him gay.

Barack is in touch with his feminine side. He is always touching. John is not happy with Obama touching him on stage...all those "gay" accusations from Ann swirling in his head. Maybe she got to him.

Re: Chris Matthews Hands Talk Radio Host Kevin James His Ass

Truthseeker — Fri, 16 May 2008 19:18:00 -0000

@ vinny,

Yeah...that dumbfounded me. Then the part at the end where Dana Perino had never heard about the Cuban Missile crisis. "Blank slates" is right!

Re: Oh Hell No.

Truthseeker — Sat, 17 May 2008 17:33:00 -0000

..and "blood equity" WTF?? She's got a definite Nazi feel to her.

Re: Is This The Best The GOP Can Do? Attack Michelle’s American "Pride"?

Truthseeker — Sat, 17 May 2008 19:26:00 -0000

Someone should go digging around in the trash of those "proud Americans" and see what they find.

Maybe some underage porn, maybe they're cheating on their taxes or they're sniffing coke. I don't know if America will ever escape the mad vortex of personal destruction, but I'm rooting for you.

Re: Oh Hell No.

Truthseeker — Sat, 17 May 2008 19:34:00 -0000

As if geographic location has anything to do with blood. Humans migrate, they always have. Native Americans also migrated; but if you want to rank people by who got here first, then Native Americans are more American than all the rest and Kathleen is the interloper. This is stupid.

Re: Is This The Best The GOP Can Do? Attack Michelle’s American "Pride"?

Truthseeker — Sat, 17 May 2008 23:12:00 -0000

United Nations Will Visit the U.S. to Investigate Racism in U.S. Election - Reuters

Nevada Democratic Convention Delegates: Obama 55%, Clinton 45% - Politicker NV

Re: Is This The Best The GOP Can Do? Attack Michelle’s American "Pride"?

Truthseeker — Sun, 18 May 2008 00:38:00 -0000

Rikyrah,

even when Barack loses, he wins!

Also, another win for BIG BROWN! LOL

Big Brown cruises to Preakness victory