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Re: Sunday Opinion: Astroengine Gets Vaccinated

marcus123 — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 05:18:58 -0000

"Links? Proof? Anything besides your word for it?". Funny, could say the same thing for yours. Okay, you want to play "links", here we go...

A recent local case of fully vaccinated children contracting measles from the vaccine... (same strain? don't know yet)
http://www.radionz.co.nz/ne...

Another local case: Another MeNZB Fully Vaccinated Child Dies
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stor...

Baxter ships vaccines With Live Avian Flu Virus To 18 Countries Worldwide
http://preventdisease.com/n...

This is obviously a work in progress, but still a point to be found in there...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

And what's your take on this then?
http://articles.mercola.com...

"There's such a legislation?". So is it my turn to tell you to go back to your books now? Sure..
http://www.congress.gov/cgi...
and another take...
http://autismactioncoalitio... (mercury or not, just read it).

Of course, this links game is pointless, the internet being what it is... no doubt you can find anything to support your view, just as I have. "killing other people's children" is done on both sides of the fence. You even said yourself, 99% safe.

"You ignored the scientific studies about vaccines and the sheer duration for vaccine studies", "you just like to argue but hate using actual science to do it." <clap><clap><clap>. You're getting warm here. I'm not using science to argue with you because I'm *not* arguing about the science of vaccination. Have I ever said that the science is bogus? I do actually get it, OK? What I'm talking about is not a problem with science, or the theory of vaccines. You forget that your religion of science is not in control of our world (society)...

The problem is in the links I provided above. It is a problem of human error, accidents & misconduct (vaccines being contaminated or infected, used improperly & unnecessarily, poor trials & misunderstanding). It is a problem with the world being run by economics & politics, rather than ethics & (yes) science. It is a problem of irrational human fear taking over e.g. from the original blog post - "In my eyes, an un-vaccinated child could be viewed as a potential weapon". And the same can be said to equivalent thoughts in much of the anti-vax movement.

Rather than pro-vax pious science zealots & anti-vax "know-nothings with anti-government fantasies and strong opinions on subjects " taking pot shots at each other (which does each side an injustice to itself), maybe we should just step back, reassess & try a little understanding. There are alternatives to vaccines, they aren't the only answer to everything. Maybe that's all I should have ever said...

I highly recommend watching all 4 parts of "The Century of Self" on Google video. This is how our world still operates. It may just open your eyes to part of the problem I'm talking about...

Question everything, like a good scientist should.

That's it. I'm done...

Re: Sunday Opinion: Astroengine Gets Vaccinated

marcus123 — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 05:27:41 -0000

Gfish (et al), thanks very much for your replies. You're quite correct of course, my comment is a diatribe, as is your reply, everyone else's & the original blog posting. As stated there "you need to spend some more time on the internet (a medium by which everyone has a voice, no matter how insane)" and "Science is a collection of facts, not a collection of personal opinions and beliefs, a notion many people don’t seem to understand.". What I was trying to do in a (I'll admit) harsh, sarcastic and obtuse manner was to turn these statements back on everything the blogger was saying. This is the Sunday *Opinion* column if I'm not mistaken. The author has negated their own comments, because remember "For every science website, there’s ten websites with pseudo-science ramblings."

Surely your fears of any outcome from people not taking a vaccine are sheer here-say, rather than factual science, as it is a future event and has yet to occur. Chaos & randomness are something even science struggles with, as it is a model of reality. Likewise, you fail to acknowledge that people have actually died from vaccines & can actually catch the virus in question from the vaccine (direct to the bloodstream I might add) that is supposed to prevent the illness. A new measles outbreak occured in my city recently from the measles vaccine. Would you like me to get one of these kids to call you or something?

So what's the reason for the US legislation that exempts vaccination producers from liability when a pandemic is declared?

"Right, because know-nothings with anti-government fantasies and strong opinions on subjects where they lack the proper education should decide on how medicine is practiced and be allowed to spread dangerous, preventable diseases, killing other people's children."
So know-alls with pro-dictatorship fantasies should huh? I'm glad you live in the US and I don't. If experience & history are anything to go by, governments, "experts" and corporations always know what's best for everyone's interests. Yeah right...

And all this without a whiff of science. That was my point...

Another point, is that all this is "a storm in a teacup" of course. Keep an eye on the pneumonic plague in China... sounds like the vaccine for that may not be all that useful yet.

Re: Sunday Opinion: Astroengine Gets Vaccinated

marcus123 — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 05:32:46 -0000

Ian, I have to say that I'm a little shocked at your "article". You claim the authority of science often, yet forego some of its basic tenets in all your rantings, that of philosophy & objectivity. You state that "For every science website, there’s ten websites with pseudo-science ramblings", now you've just added your BLOG to the latter. How about some nice unbiased, objective *scientific* journalism from now on?

Is that all AstroEngine is, just a nice vehicle for a few ranters BLOGs? No wonder all this 2012 material has been hitting my in-box (which incidentally, is about the end of the age of Capricorn, not the end of the world).

I like the wording "herd immunity" which you've cited a couple of times, you should replace that with "herd mentality". "Swine-flu" is a case in point. When are you lining up to get yours? So how many people have died from this "pandemic" again? That's right, only a handful, many times less than the normal everyday influenza strain, and much less per year than properly prescribed conventional medicine it appears (which is supposedly the #1 killer in the US).

Medicine, of whatever shape or form, does have a place, vaccines included. However they should only be used where required. Why don't you get the feline aids vaccine while you're at it? Just so you can have another trip to Nursie & get that nice safe warm fuzzy feeling. If it ain't broke, don't fix it! Human beings who are both physically & mentally fit and healthy will do just fine without thank you very much.

Yes, babies, kids & adults may die before their time, not very nice, but a reality i.e. natural selection (life is killing us, *that* is scientific fact). Need we all be reminded what percentage of human history we've had vaccines for?

You also state "there are an increasing number of deaths associated with diseases that were once unheard of in modern society." Oh really... is this in proportion with the increase of population? Maybe earlier cases weren't properly reported or recorded? Or perhaps it's just a symptom of a sick society that pumps out "sheeple" who are unfit, malnourished and living in higher densities? Please elaborate... and just for an unbiased approach, why not look at the number of deaths from vaccinations? Or the number of infections from vaccinations? "Science" needs Anti-Science, esp. when money is involved, as it can become something else.

Vaccinations are no silver bullet (mercury actually). Surely "herd immunity", or more correctly "herd survival" should be about choice, rather than compulsory nationwide vaccination. Don't go putting all your eggs in the same basket, which is a stupid move. And if the pro-vaxxers start witch-hunting the anti-vaxxers, you may as well kill them off before the virus gets a chance to spread, as you'll be doing them a favour - they won't want to live in a sick society that makes Aldous Huxley green with envy.

The comments on this in the Bad Astronomy blog you've linked to make me sick already (http://blogs.discovermagazi....

Now for our sake, please get back to some Astronomy!!