Evidently a report made to the tower from the incident aircraft indicatied the load had shifted. Considering the tactical nature of departure required to get out of Bagram, it is certainly possible that a shifting load would cause an unrecoverable stall and subsequent crash. Ok, can we get out of that 3rd world shithole now?

I'm not doubting the crash at all, but am I weird for thinking how odd this video is? Not a single exclamation of any kind from the driver when the plane was in trouble, when it headed toward the ground, or when it crashed. The ONLY thing the driver said was an expletive after he'd driven closer, and a "sh sh sh" sound when the dog whined. From his accent when he cursed, he's obviously American. And if, in fact, he is a military policeman.....wouldn't he get on his radio and call that in?

If I saw that about to happen, I'd be yelling, or at least saying "Oh no no no no no no!!!!!!!" And then I'd be very upset after the crash, too. There's no way I would be completely silent during the entire event.

This video is just plain odd.

It seemed as if the guy with the dash cam was expecting it to happen...

If you fly sloppy, you end up dead... QED.

If you are doing steep take-offs. make sure that the cargo is secured for this eventuality...

It is not rocket science... merely common sense..

If is true that the cargo shifted - then it didn't have the minimum tiedown required. If this is the case, then someone cut corners to speed up the upload. Tiedown of the cargo is according to the weight times G forces. Also, someone mentioned high winds - it seems that it was the perfect storm - which is not a consolation for the family left behind. A terrible accident indeed.

ya think they would have edited the "F" bomb by the cop at 1:12

So, you're okay with watching 7 people die a horrifying death, but you have a problem with a cuss word?

RIP , poor people.

Terrible tragedy, I feel for the families that will probably see this.

they get complacent and dont use all the tiedown chains and this is what happens. Also govt contract cheapest transport airline. Luckily no soldiers going on leave were on the plane, that is usually not the case when in the nam.

obvious stall. But why?

Looks like it was climbing pretty steeply. Already looked close to a stall when it was at that slight left bank, then bank right stalled it hanging. Looks like the pilot tried to level off and pancake it, but with a full fuel and cargo load, he was too high for that, and way too low for a power dive. Why were they climbing so steeply out of that airstrip? And how much (and what kind) cargo were they trying to haul out of Afghanistan? I wasn't under the impression that it really had a thriving economy at this point.

Cargo was reportedly US military viehicles. it was a mil charter. 90+ percent of Afgh economy is our mil spending. You should know that.

How did this guy not freak out? I sure as hell wouldn't be quiet... But this guy was calm as ever.

Seems a bit odd to me too.. It was as if he knew it was going to happen....

It was a cargo shift.... The pilot announced it over the tower freq as it was happening. I got to witness this in person, not a fun day.

You can say that again

It was a cargo shift the pilot announced it over the towers freq as it was happening..... I wish I had not seen it!

Thanks

I also had heard from people in the area that day that the winds were 70+ MPH..

If it was steady, and a headwind that would help the climb.

That made me feel sick.

I work in the aviation sector, and I've had nightmares a lot like this: driving to work and watching the aircraft take a horrific angle and plunge. You wake up and go "whew".

It acted as if the power had just been pulled all the way back.

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fck off

Normally I hate profanity in public forums, but in this case, I concur with you.

Full up elevator on takeoff. The pilots would not have the strength nor would the flight computor have allowed this to happen. This appears to be a mechanical runaway of the elevator actuator.

or maybe the vitzinkimmer is not connected right to the fragenjammer. Er, Mr. Barnett, you don't exude expertise on this subject. Please let the truly self-labeled experts explain this accident.

Extremely unlikely. An aircraft the size of the 747 I believe separate actuators for each elevator, unlike the Alaska Air MD-80 several years ago. This would have to have been a duel, simultaneous failure. Which means if the problem was the elevator, it would have come from the electrical controls. (And as several incidents with Airbus aircraft have demonstrated, just because the flight computer isn't supposed to allow certain things to happen, they still do)

Witness above mentions load shift. Carrying vehicles, if anything came loose on climb-out, it would have moved CG so far aft that neither pilot nor computer could compensate.

I'm not even a pilot and my immediate guess was that some heavy vehicle had rolled to the back of the plane on takeoff.
You can hear all 4 cans screaming to maintain forward momentum (?).
Horrible scary way to die.
Sad.

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Extremely high pitch leading to an aerodynamic stall and uncommanded roll, a truly terrifying situation. Obviously the NTSB will have their say, but it most probably will be either a control system malfunction or the cargo broke loose and shifted back rapidly. If there's any consolation in this, it's that the crew didn't suffer long.

Would other contractors have loaded the plane, or would its own crew/loadmaster have done it? (I don't know how things like this work at Bagram.).

In almost all stalls, one wing stalls a fraction of a second first and you get that wing drop.

Agree, practically no forward motion on impact, gear down, very busy cockpit.

I'd bet all the money in my wallet that it was cargo shifting.

The sequence is very consistent with cargo shifting and I find it more likely than control system malfunction (which cannot be excluded)

I'd put my money on that as well, but there's always the chance it was an elevator malfunction or something of that sort.