Both Clinton and Trump would sign it.

Every last American could harass congress, yet it would still pass. At that point, our congress will care less about winning the next election - they will be set for life in corp amerika, and also their seats would be powerless against the new order.

So if you don't vote third party this election, you just helped destroy the world.

How's that for a 'lesser of 3 evils' reality? bitches.

I don't believe for a second clinton that clinton is against it.

At any cost? Might almost BELIEVE this magical thinking if anyone truly believed in what they are saying." Dancin" around with sticks, and being imprisoned for it doesn't quite fit the bill that is coming due soon.

Would you like to see the post office eliminated because some corporation could do the job, too?

Post office, prisons, roads bridges.......are only symptomatic of the failing republic and the corrosion of empire. We speak in terms left, right and center, and for the past 40 or so years the center has not held, the left impotent and the right, well its movement towards the sociopathic, fanatical fascism in order to control of the ignorant has left me answering worry's about the post office? What a world.

The TPP is pure fascism and must be stopped at any cost.

a song against corporate totalitarianism inspired by the writings of CH
https://www.youtube.com/edi...

I would just like to point out that Sierra club endorsed Clinton rather then Bernie or holding off till the primary was over. In Washington state they forced an early endorsement of Patty Murray another pro TPP rat. The Sierra club is words without action.

The Sierra Club has been sheep-dogging for virtually its entire existence; making liberals think they're supporting protection of the environment while actually paving the way for its use by the ultra-rich; it's not JUST "words without action", it's actively trying to preoccupy liberals and therefore PREVENT effective action.

So, what is your political orientation?

I can't speak for Sun City Media cause that's me as an independent non-partisan biz entity 😀 but according to a survey I just did at "www.politicalcompass.org" I inhabit the Left Libertarian Quadrant of The Political Compass. According to this compass I'm smack in the centre of Jeremy Corbyn, Nicola Sturgeon and Bernie Sanders. Apparently I'm more Socially Authoritarian and Economically Right than Noam Chomsky, but I'm Economically Left of Jill Stein and also Less Socially Authoritarian than she is.

Things are rarely what they seem however. For instance, I suspect it's Bernie's Altruistic Socialist Anti-Plutocratic Rhetoric that locates him where it does rather than his Real (esp. Foreign Policy) politics.

This Political Compass has both Trump and Hillary in the Right Authoritarian Quadrant with Hillary to the Far Right Economically and Trump Economically Centrist albeit eyeing off Augusto Pinochet's Neck to take top spot for Social Authoritarian.

The compass will no doubt have Hillary placed where she is owing to her Neoliberal economics. Yet in my view her platform effectively combines Neoliberal with Neocon economics (i.e. large-scale subsidy of the military-industrial complex, corporate welfare, protectionism in the national interest). I have no idea if she's sincere about not pushing through #TPP (unlikely so watch vigilantly for the morph job) and have little doubt she is 101% Zionist. This all being the case, the Irony of her being located in the Authoritarian Right Quadrant is that she could just as plausibly be located in the Authoritarian Left Quadrant along with Chairman Mao.

My personal take (subject to change) is the choice is effectively Trump for #AmericaFirst #NonInterventionism and a modicum of Hope for a more authentic Win/Win alliance with the Real (Labor) Left or Hillary for Elitist #ClintonCommunism AKA #IsraelFirst #GlobalCorporatism #IdentityPolitics #NATO #NWO

What a mishmash!

Anyway, I still don't understand why you won't vote for Stein. . .Trumpenstein?

I'm not a US citizen so I can't vote but Yes if I could I'd vote either Trump or Stein but preferably TrumpEnStein.

If that name construction is meant to conflate the two political entities you're really off base.

As I say in the above video snippet I believe not so much in conflation as in respecting differences. As an independent conceptual Artist and not one to underestimate American 'exceptionalism' I reserve my right to believe in the power of a Transformative Mythological Super Beast to overcome a corrupt system. Picture if you will,

A TrumpEnStein. Sophisticated yet Wild & Scary; economically centrist; authoritatively anti-authoritarian authoritarian; brassy yet also proud and sensitive and articulate about its ginger-grey mane and gaudy stripes.

Will post the Image or write/facilitate the Horror Story/Script or Children's Book or Whatever for you or Anyone who retains the (Sun City Media) service c/- me.

Hmm . .

TrumpEnStein: A redemptive horror story for children* that illuminates the world through illustration rather than divisiveness and deceipt while affording future generations the opportunity to reconcile and correct the balance.

(*adults may also want to watch if it's made into a movie)

If the article is accurate and true, there should be a revolution. Obama and the Congress should be considered traitors, jailed or shot. Unfortunately, these trade agreements are already de facto in effect, and Obama and Congress are de facto traitors to the common welfare of the American population. I think a good step would to picket every voting station, encouraging voters not to vote at all. Voting is of no value when there is no choice. Washington is theater, not government. There are so many things wrong with our government that the only thing to do is start all over again.

Chris takes long breaks.

He's on suspension during Hillary Days.
The obliterating issue seems to be USA immigration to the exclusion of as much else as possible. Trump's agreeable.
Well, you can't talk about CHIP forever.

Clinton will sell this country out in a heartbeat.

...in a fiddlefart.

So will Trumpenstein. They both have already done it.

That is why I'm voting for Jill Stein.

If we elect Hillary that will be the most powerful Corporate and war hawk grab of all. She (and Wasserman Schultz) already rigged and stole the Democratic primary nomination for president and she is widely expected to be an open supporter of TPP once elected.

Hillary’s Exceptionalism WarPath

Democrats and Hillary Clinton are delighting in attacking Donald Trump from the right, employing McCarthyistic tactics and embracing the imperialist notion of “American exceptionalism,” says Daniel Lazare

"Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who’s the most right-wing presidential candidate of all?"

"The answer used to be Donald Trump, famous for his naked bigotry toward Mexicans and Muslims. But that was before Hillary Clinton supporters took a page from the old Joe McCarthy handbook and began denouncing their Republican opponent as “an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation” or arguing that criticism of Clinton and NATO somehow emanates out of Moscow.

"Now comes Clinton’s speech at an American Legion convention in Cincinnati, her most bellicose to date, in which she savages Trump for failing to embrace the ultra-imperialist doctrine of “American exceptionalism.”

“My opponent in this race has said very clearly that he thinks American exceptionalism is insulting to the rest of the world,” she said Wednesday. “In fact, when Vladimir Putin, of all people, criticized American exceptionalism, my opponent agreed with him, saying, and I quote, ‘if you’re in Russia, you don’t want to hear that America is exceptional.’ Well maybe you don’t want to hear it, but that doesn’t mean it’s not true.”

"Good people, she went on, do not take exception to the doctrine – only enemies do:
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Hillary makes speeches one way; acts and plans another way:

“I know that we can’t cozy up to dictators,” she said. “We have to stand up to them.”

"All this from a woman whose family foundation has received up to $25 million from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, perhaps the most repressive government on earth, plus up to $50 million from other Persian Gulf sources. (The Saudis also donated $10-million to the construction of the Bill Clinton presidential library.)
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The U.S. has helped destroy at least four Middle Eastern nations – Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen and Libya – while it is now busily reducing a fifth, i.e. Syria, to smithereens.

"Perhaps the most important line in Clinton’s Cincinnati speech referred to U.S. troops reductions in the Middle East: “We have redeployed well over 100,000 troops from Iraq and Afghanistan so they can go home, rest, and train for future contingencies.”

"What might those contingencies be? Another round of intervention in Syria is the likeliest, although neocons no doubt have their eyes on other targets as well: the eastern Ukraine, Poland and the Baltics, and the Pacific as well. The more Clinton’s election prospects brighten, the bolder the neocons’ ambitions will grow."
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Hillary Clinton’s ‘Exceptionalist’ Warpath – Consortiumnews
https://consortiumnews.com/201...

""Good people, she went on, do not take exception to the doctrine – only enemies do:" Wrong. Only fascists advocate this fascist doctrine. Fascists like Hitler and Hillary, obviously NOT "good people". Her definition of "good people" is Satan.

The people who vote for her some how think this won't effect them.

affect (it will)
Those dopes think they can still design costume jewelry, have it made by slaves overseas and sell it to raise money for sellout candidates. Those dopes are the middle class.

It's been my experience that people who support Hillary don't exactly do a whole lot of thinking.

A strong case can be made that ratification of the TPP is an act of Treason.

It is treason. It is the full and unconditional surrender of the United States to foreign powers.

Surrender to: transcontinental capitalism.

If we could prosecute it we could do some major house cleaning.

Could it be that the TTIP is failing in Europe, even though no one's willing to admit it?

http://axisoflogic.com/artm...

TTIP is failing in Europe. Formally, the EU Commission may negotiate treaties with no input from member states. But that power is a shaky one, especially after Brexit. The Commission knows how unpopular it is, and how national electorates are starting to feel about its powers. If pushing TTIP means political suicide, they won't do it.

At the very least, the Commission will need the support of the large countries. Count France out. Hollande is already accused of having sold out the left. Signing TTIP would be going one bridge too far. He has repeatedly said that he opposes the deal; he'd lose the little credibility he still has if he bends over now.

I think TTIP cannot politically speaking be passed before the end of 2017, that is, after the French and German elections. After that, all bets are off. But the continuing weakening of the EU, now accused of arrogance from all sides of the political spectrum, promises to make passage difficult.

I'm hearing about lots of signs that the TTIP is at best on life support.

Neither am I holding my breath, Marian. Even if "consent" cannot be officially obtained, the policies will be implemented. Then no one will be able to address their grievances because there will be no Body or Entity to address them to. It's the beauty (not) of corporate world governance.

It appears whole governments will be rendered useless in the greater Plan.

As terrible as these so-called trade deals are, they are just one format being used to support and implement Full Spectrum Dominance. Nothing and no one is excluded from this dominance. IMO, there are even more grave global threats than the trade deals, but they are certainly bad enough.

Just for an example of government no longer being needed, what do think of the Carnegie Counsel appointing itself in charge of Geoeningeering and Earth System Governance? May I repeat Earth System Governance? Along with the pretense of these projects being for "future" consideration, the Counsel nearly chokes on the inclusion of input by civil society. Solar climate engineering is spoken of in the present tense.

As with the trade deals, we're being dealt obfuscation, half truths and lies by omission.

https://www.carnegiecouncil...

If corporations were really people, they would also be psychopaths. Along with the handful of individual psychopaths that wield power, we must acknowledge that this dynamic is already failing on its way to collapse. Even though psychopaths cannot see negative consequences to themselves from the things they do, the rest of us absolutely will be the ultimate losers, along with all that is left of sustainable Life on Earth.

What would the congress people lose by just voting NO? They won't get a
place in the bunker even if they vote YES. We'll soon see what level
of foolishness actually exists in "our" government.

Here's some outstanding commentary along with encouragement and solutions. The biggest obstacle we have is that the world is running out of time. Since most of the biggest problems have been hidden, we're very much closer to both economic and environmental collapse than most people realize. Soon enough it will become obvious to everyone, since it can't be hidden much longer.

Of course the psychopaths are all in for the very last cent, the last drop, to the bitter end.

Does it really have to be this way?

Pathology, Inc.

http://axisoflogic.com/artm...

This article is lengthy, but it's worth reading:
The Election Has Been Hacked

The Dismal Reality of Having No Real Electoral Choices

By John W. Whitehead

“Free election of masters does not abolish the masters or the slaves.” ― Herbert Marcuse

The FBI is worried: foreign hackers have broken into two state election databases.

The Department of Homeland Security is worried: the nation’s voting system needs greater protection against cyberattacks.

I, on the other hand, am not overly worried: after all, the voting booths have already been hacked by a political elite comprised of Republicans and Democrats who are determined to retain power at all costs.

The outcome is a foregone conclusion: the police state will win and “we the people” will lose.

The damage has already been done.

The DHS, which has offered to help “secure” the nation’s elections, has already helped to lock down the nation.

Remember, the DHS is the agency that ushered in the domestic use of surveillance drones, expanded the reach of fusion centers, stockpiled an alarming amount of ammunition, urged Americans to become snitches through a “see something, say something” campaign, oversaw the fumbling antics of TSA agents everywhere, militarized the nation’s police, spied on activists and veterans, distributed license plate readers and cell phone trackers to law enforcement agencies, contracted to build detention camps, carried out military drills and lockdowns in American cities, conducted virtual strip searches of airline passengers, established Constitution-free border zones, funded city-wide surveillance cameras, and generally turned our republic into a police state.

So, no, I’m not falling for the government’s scare tactics about Russian hackers.

I’m not losing a night’s sleep over the thought that this election might by any more rigged than it already is.

And I’m not holding my breath in the hopes that the winner of this year’s particular popularity contest will save us from government surveillance, weaponized drones, militarized police, endless wars, SWAT team raids, red light cameras, asset forfeiture schemes, overcriminalization, profit-driven private prisons, graft and corruption, or any of the other evils that masquerade as official government business these days.

What I’ve come to realize is that Americans want to engage in the reassurance ritual of voting.

They want to believe that politics matter.

They want to be persuaded that there’s a difference between the Republicans and Democrats (there’s not).

They will swear that Barack Obama has been an improvement on George W. Bush (he has not).

They are convinced that Hillary Clinton’s values are different from Donald Trump’s (with both of them, money talks).

Most of all, they want to buy into the fantasy that when we elect a president, we’re getting someone who truly represents “we the people” rather than the corporate state (in fact, in the oligarchy that is the American police state, an elite group of wealthy donors is calling the shots).

The sad truth is that it doesn’t matter who wins the White House, because they all work for the same boss: Corporate America. Understanding this, many corporations hedge their bets on who will win the White House by splitting their donations between Democratic and Republican candidates.

Politics is a game, a joke, a hustle, a con, a distraction, a spectacle, a sport, and for many devout Americans, a religion. It is a political illusion aimed at persuading the citizenry that we are free, that our vote counts, and that we actually have some control over the government when in fact, we are prisoners of a police state.

In other words, it’s a sophisticated ruse aimed at keeping us divided and fighting over two parties whose priorities are exactly the same so that we don’t join forces and do what the Declaration of Independence suggests, which is to throw the whole lot out and start over.

It’s no secret that both parties support endless war, engage in out-of-control spending, ignore the citizenry’s basic rights, have no respect for the rule of law, are bought and paid for by Big Business, care most about their own power, and have a long record of expanding government and shrinking liberty. Most of all, both parties enjoy an intimate, incestuous history with each other and with the moneyed elite that rule this country.

Despite the jabs the candidates volley at each other for the benefit of the cameras, they’re a relatively chummy bunch away from the spotlight. Moreover, despite Congress’ so-called political gridlock, our elected officials seem to have no trouble finding common ground when it’s time to collectively kowtow to the megacorporations, lobbyists, defense contractors and other special interest groups to whom they have pledged their true allegiance.

So don’t be fooled by the smear campaigns and name-calling or drawn into their politics of hate. They’re just useful tactics that have been proven to engage voters and increase voter turnout while keeping the citizenry at each other’s throats.

We’re in trouble, folks.

We are living in a fantasy world carefully crafted to resemble a representative democracy.

It used to be that the cogs, wheels and gear shifts in our government machinery worked to keep our republic running smoothly. However, without our fully realizing it, the mechanism has changed. Its purpose is no longer to keep our republic running smoothly. To the contrary, this particular contraption’s purpose is to keep the corporate police state in power. Its various parts are already a corrupt part of the whole.

Just consider how insidious, incestuous and beholden to the corporate elite the various “parts” of the mechanism have become.

Congress. Perhaps the most notorious offenders and most obvious culprits in the creation of the corporate-state, Congress has proven itself to be both inept and avaricious, oblivious champions of an authoritarian system that is systematically dismantling their constituents’ fundamental rights. Long before they’re elected, Congressmen are trained to dance to the tune of their wealthy benefactors, so much so that they spend two-thirds of their time in office raising money. As Reuters reports, “For many lawmakers, the daily routine in Washington involves fundraising as much as legislating. The culture of nonstop political campaigning shapes the rhythms of daily life in Congress, as well as the landscape around the Capitol. It also means that lawmakers often spend more time listening to the concerns of the wealthy than anyone else.”

The President. What Americans want in a president and what they need are two very different things. The making of a popular president is an exercise in branding, marketing and creating alternate realities for the consumer—a.k.a., the citizenry—that allows them to buy into a fantasy about life in America that is utterly divorced from our increasingly grim reality. Take President Obama, for instance, who now enjoys greater popularity than any previous president, including the beloved Ronald Reagan. This is a president who got elected by campaigning against war, torture, surveillance only to make them hallmarks of his presidency, and yet somehow these “indiscretions” are overlooked and forgiven as long as he presents a jocular, hip façade: slow-jamming the news with Jimmy Fallon, reading mean tweets with Jimmy Kimmel, singing, dancing and being cool. In other words, to be a successful president, it doesn’t matter whether you keep your campaign promises, sell access to the Lincoln Bedroom, or march in lockstep with the Corporate State as long as you keep the feel-good vibes flowing.

The Supreme Court. The U.S. Supreme Court—once the last refuge of justice, the one governmental body really capable of rolling back the slowly emerging tyranny enveloping America—has instead become the champion of the American police state, absolving government and corporate officials of their crimes while relentlessly punishing the average American for exercising his or her rights. Like the rest of the government, the Court has routinely prioritized profit, security, and convenience over the basic rights of the citizenry. Indeed, law professor Erwin Chemerinsky makes a compelling case that the Supreme Court, whose “justices have overwhelmingly come from positions of privilege,” almost unerringly throughout its history sides with the wealthy, the privileged, and the powerful.

The Media. Of course, this triumvirate of total control would be completely ineffective without a propaganda machine provided by the world’s largest corporations. Besides shoveling drivel down our throats at every possible moment, the so-called news agencies which are supposed to act as bulwarks against government propaganda have instead become the mouthpieces of the state. The pundits which pollute our airwaves are at best court jesters and at worst propagandists for the false reality created by the American government. When you have internet and media giants such as Google, NBC Universal, News Corporation, Turner Broadcasting, Thomson Reuters, Comcast, Time Warner, Viacom, Public Radio International and The Washington Post Company donating to the Clinton Foundation, you no longer have an independent media—what we used to refer to as the “fourth estate”—that can be trusted to hold the government accountable.

The American People. “We the people” now belong to a permanent underclass in America. It doesn’t matter what you call us—chattel, slaves, worker bees, drones, it’s all the same—what matters is that we are expected to march in lockstep with and submit to the will of the state in all matters, public and private. Through our complicity in matters large and small, we have allowed an out-of-control corporate-state apparatus to take over every element of American society.

We’re playing against a stacked deck.

The game is rigged, and “we the people” keep getting dealt the same losing hand. The people dealing the cards—the politicians, the corporations, the judges, the prosecutors, the police, the bureaucrats, the military, the media, etc.—have only one prevailing concern, and that is to maintain their power and control over the citizenry, while milking us of our money and possessions.

It really doesn’t matter what you call them—Republicans, Democrats, the 1%, the elite, the controllers, the masterminds, the shadow government, the police state, the surveillance state, the military industrial complex—so long as you understand that while they are dealing the cards, the deck will always be stacked in their favor.

As I make clear in my book, Battlefield America: The War on the American People, our failure to remain informed about what is taking place in our government, to know and exercise our rights, to vocally protest, to demand accountability on the part of our government representatives, and at a minimum to care about the plight of our fellow Americans has been our downfall.

Now we find ourselves once again caught up in the spectacle of another presidential election, and once again the majority of Americans are acting as if this election will make a difference and bring about change. As if the new boss will be different from the old boss.

When in doubt, just remember what the astute commentator George Carlin had to say about the matter:

The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don’t. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls. They got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying. Lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I’ll tell you what they don’t want. They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well-informed, well-educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That’s against their interests.

They want obedient workers. Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork…. It’s a big club and you ain't in it. You and I are not in the big club. ...The table is tilted, folks. The game is rigged and nobody seems to notice…. Nobody seems to care. That’s what the owners count on…. It’s called the American Dream, 'cause you have to be asleep to believe it."

https://www.rutherford.org/...

Yes, Charlotte, those are the problems, and they're big ones. The saving grace may be that THEY are not us, and WE are not them. In fact the only rightful solutions lie with us, and perhaps the most limiting factor to changing the dynamics is time.

Pathology, Inc. The Facade of American Democracy.

http://axisoflogic.com/artm...

Thanks for the link.

Obummer's on a roll.

Chris Hedges in on vacation because Hillary is in a tight spot.

Lol

The only solution is revolution. 9/11 was a coup d'etat by jewish and zionist elements within our government.

So banking and entertainment wasn't enough for them, eh? Oh those Jews! I tell 'ya! So it was a coup to overthrow the US government to replace it with....more Jews? Jews and Zionists? I'm confused. Seeing how things are 15 years later, those Jews and Zionists really screwed things up, eh? And I thought they were supposed to be smart!

Not Jews, Zionists! The BIGGEST ones profess 'Christianity.'

Is this a joke? Where dd you get this crap, from Alex Jones?