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Patriot_ll • 9 years ago

According to Obama: "You didn't earn that." Just like you didn't build that business. Something crazy is going on in the WH.

wesley69 • 9 years ago

For the rest of the world to rise the US must decline. Wealth Redistribution is the aim here. Give the wealth to Democrat voters like the illegals and minorities - making them more dependent on the government. They didn't earn it either, but in fulfills the goal of making the country poorer.

When Obama is done, he can point out this great accomplishment to the rest of the world. No one was able to bring the US down, except for him. He has neutralized the evil in the world. The world will then elect him Secretary General of the UN as a reward.

SleeZLillieBelleTXN • 9 years ago

Remember when Beyoncé and what's-his-name-husband went to Cuba unannounced? We learned about a year later what that was all about when the new Cuba policy was announced.

So? Remember when Beyoncé and what's-his-name-husband went to Iceland, recently, and tweeted a pic with them with their "hands up"? We'll learn by the end of this year what that was all about, too. But I already think I know... Wealth Redistribution. Here's why...

I've been to Iceland and everything is "level" there. Every single thing from businesses to personal wealth... all level. Beyoncé and what's-his-name-husband went there to get information on how to level the US...

Glorious_Cause • 9 years ago

Your government in action:

http://iotwreport.com/wp-co...

Martin Green • 9 years ago

Seems correct to me... the "right" will carry you up... the "left" will take you down.

n meltoni • 9 years ago

Good one!

Lngtaltxn • 9 years ago

A college educated liberal had to have written that. That's rich.

sipius • 9 years ago

Let's say that the left appropriated 30 billion dollars for a program, to give benefits to illegals, but instead of the projected 4 million illegals, they get 6 million, and they need another 20 billion dollars, then they have to go to congress to ask for it, and that just got exponentially more difficult. So that in order to continue the agenda and vote buying they have to gut other programs to pay for it (rob peter to pay paul), and now thus the value delivered by the federal government to it's citizens is very low, thus forming a unique opportunity for the state rights activists to go to work and bring back power to the states.

asybot • 9 years ago

Read the article about the "Shadow 5.5 million immigrants" that were given work visas in the past few years, it is here on BB as well. It is already being done for god's sake!

LadyGreenEyes_MAGA • 9 years ago

*smacks head*

Common Core in action?

Boxlock • 9 years ago

Correction: Your Dïm'ocrat government in action.

Martin Green • 9 years ago

If you've ever wondered why ships use "port" and "starboard" rather than "left" and "right"... this is it. Left and right depend on which direction you are facing, port and starboard, however, remain consistent.

TheRealJohnDoeNJ • 9 years ago

Yeah but they always come a runnin' back to the USA in the end, don't they? What's going to happen when there is nowhere else to run?

Government confiscation of the fruits of our labor .... by any other definition ....
- Robbery, the use of force to steal another's posessions.
- Violation of Bill of Rights by stealing our money without due process, by violating our right to liberty.

America wasn't founded on the principles of freedom of religion and freedom of speech. It was founded for one reason and one reason only ...ECONOMIC LIBERTY! For without economic liberty, there cannot be personal liberty, or any other kind of liberty.

I encourage everyone to watch all episodes of the late great Dr. Milton Friedman's "FREE TO CHOOSE" series. Don't read another word about Obama and the explosion of big government and government debt. Then spend a week watching all the episodes. Then come back and look at what Obama has done in 6 years and how he intends to further seize our remaining liberty in his last 2 years.
http://www.miltonfriedman.b...
http://vimeo.com/26727003

sipius • 9 years ago

The takers want your prosperity said Ayn Rand, and they will ask for it, or take it away from you, it makes no difference to them. Make no mistake about it, Obola is a taker. And the envious malcontents put him there to appeal to bleeding heart women, softened by Okrah, and the blacks. And then the left and the media adopt a constant in your face, black grievance narrative, about police brutality and racism, to reinforce the notion that what ever Obola wants is Fair and Just, in the face of such worthy denunciations. The left is Mad.

stevemusicmaker • 9 years ago

With Mr. Obomination, his real narrative is "you don't own that"...and you can take THAT to the BANK, well, he will...:)

Capt_Morgan • 9 years ago

Those that earn and want to keep their money are greedy, but those that don't earn but want things for free are not, ironic right?

Hurrah to You • 9 years ago

"What's going to happen when there is nowhere else to run?"
Like President Reagan said, "1,000 years of darkness"

ChicoEscuela • 9 years ago

Sorry
Neither one of them are that bright
You're giving those miscreants too much credit

SleeZLillieBelleTXN • 9 years ago

Obama uses every asset he has, wherever they come from. All for his political purposes...

Jack Apple • 9 years ago

Remember, everything Obama does is with political consideration first, country second or third.

Trolldaddy • 9 years ago

and the people last...

Tex • 9 years ago

Everything Obama proposes is blocked by the GOP. Must be because their political consideration is first and only, and the people aren't even on the list.

Capt_Morgan • 9 years ago

Hey Tex, earlier you stated that we've had budgets passed under obama, not true. Now, you blame repubs as obstructionist. Obama's last four budget proposals have been voted down unanimously , that means dems and repubs. His budget proposals are fairy tales, like your username.

IllinoisPatriot • 9 years ago

Not only that, but the majority of the obstruction is currently coming from Dems in Senate just as they did when they had the majority. Some things just don't change. The Dems have been obstructionists and liers from even before Obama took office.

Tex • 9 years ago

No. YOU said we didn't have a budget, and I said that was wrong. The nation cannot operate without a budget, and we have one (mostly, a continuing resolution). I didn't say Obama had any "passed". Big difference.

I blame Republicans as obstructionists, because by refusing any new legislation, we keep Bush's legislation in place ... now for the 14th year in a row of trickle down (how ya likin' it in its 14th year? Better and better? Thank God Bush replaced Clinton's budget, with its 23 million new jobs, prosperity, and a surplus).

Presidential budgets ALWAYS offer a framework that the president would approve, and then Congress writes the budget with the idea in mind that if they want it signed instead of vetoed, they must negotiate within the guidelines the president lays out. This isn't a new process, it's been going on since the nation was formed.

Lupe • 9 years ago

Sonny boy, you really should pay attention. That crybaby B. Hussein has turned down budgets (hence the CR) because he didn't like them. He wanted Congress to do it HIS way. He isn't willing to give at all. Sheesh! Where have you been?!

jersey • 9 years ago

Lupe, me thinks Tex is not interested in facts, just hyperbole. I guess we should just ignore him. I'm afraid its useless.

Lupe • 9 years ago

Me thinks you are correct , my Leige

Tex • 9 years ago

As if the Tea Party offers one iota of wiggle room. LOL.

Trolldaddy • 9 years ago

and harry Reid, Obamas lap dog has shelved EVERY bill sponsored by the GOP without allowing them to even come to the floor and Obama has threatened to veto anything he didn't like now ... so who's the obstructionist ,
Obama Reid and Pelosi I figured I'd have to answer that for you... considering...

Tex • 9 years ago

How many bills were to repeal Obamacare? Since that was the threatened "amendment" to ANY bill threat, ALL of them were for repeal of Obamacare. Harry Reid blocked only ONE thing.

jersey • 9 years ago

LOL you really have no clue do you?

Tex • 9 years ago

A total non-response. Sigh.

Trolldaddy • 9 years ago

BS do a little research and take off the Democrat blinders , think for your self for a change...instead of eating up DNC talking points like they were a holy book

Tex • 9 years ago

The rightwing answer to arguing their position: Do some research. You're right. That's BS. If you can't argue a point using facts, just admit it.

Trolldaddy • 9 years ago

http://www.politifact.com/t...

Jenkins said that in the "do-nothing Senate," there are 352 House bills "sitting on Harry Reid’s desk awaiting action," including 55 introduced by Democrats.

Tex • 9 years ago

When the GOP announce that any bill on the floor will be given an amendment to repeal Obamacare, that makes all 352 bills about ONE THING: Repealing Obamacare. It doesn't matter if it's 1 bill, 352, or 10,000. If they're all for the same thing, it's not an argument about obstruction. It's a childish argument about not getting their way, and holding all government hostage when they don't.

When the GOP said they would be all about JOBS ... it didn't work out that way, did it? They FILIBUSTER all jobs bills.

Trolldaddy • 9 years ago

You eat and sleep DNC talking points too bad they're not based in reality....enjoy your delusion...

Tex • 9 years ago

What's really sad is that you rightwingers seem incapable of articulating WHY your policies and ideology are good for America. GOP's primary policy? Further enriching the already wealthy, as if America's biggest problem is that our rich folks just aren't rich enough yet.

Of course, this goal has the effect of eroding the rest of America, in terms of jobs, savings, wages, and everything important to working people and their families. But it's worth it, because any day now, all that wealth will "trickle down".

In order to get support from "average guys" (like you?), the elite 1% engage in propaganda (mostly through Fox News, AM talk radio, and sites like this) exploiting wedge issues to gain support from people who fear, who hate, and who engage in bigotry. You are wooed by the GOP and their "promise" to smite those who are the object of your ire: The "uppity" blacks, the "liberated" women, the immigrants, the gays, the Hispanics, the "intellectuals", the poor, lawyers, unionized teachers, all unions, on and on with the "enemies list". It's not the wealthy causing this nation's problems. It's the POOR. THEY are who you should blame for not having a job, for your wages, if you happen to have a job, to have been stagnant for three decades. Yeah, it's the POOR causing that. And the BLACKS. Blame them, don't blame the few people who are benefiting mightily from gaming the system.

If you used your reason and good sense, you would see who wants a better future for you and your family. But, if you use your emotions (mostly negative), you will end up voting against your own best interests.

Trolldaddy • 9 years ago

And its not the progressive liberals, the ones that have taken over the DNC and the anything goes liberal ideology that preaches only their view point and lambasts any opposition as hateful, bigoted, racist, while the DNC elite get richer and richer telling you what to believe while sowing division after division to separate people by anything imaginable, class, race, language, ethnicity, Religion, go ahead swallow the DNC talking points live in their utopian delusion, and if you talk about emotional voting then you are clearly talking DNC progressive liberals...
"nuff said" enjoy your delusions of grandeur.

Tex • 9 years ago

TROLL says, "And its not the progressive liberals, the ones that have taken over the DNC and the anything goes liberal ideology..."

Tex: "Anything goes" is known elsewhere as "freedom".

TROLL says, " that preaches only their view point and lambasts any opposition ..."

Tex: That's pretty much the definition of political groups of any stripe.

TROLL says, "(lambasts any opposition) as hateful, bigoted, racist,"

Tex: It's one thing to lambaste. It's quite another to address actions and policies, and point out where they are hateful, and/or bigoted, and/or racist. That's what I do, from time to time. Name the policy, and explain why it is based in hatred, resentment, envy, or simply ignorance.

TROLL says, "... while the DNC elite get richer and richer telling you what to believe ..."

Tex: Are you talking about, maybe, Bill Gates and Warren Buffet, telling me that THEY and other rich folks really oughta be taxed at a much higher rate? Because they don't have to tell me that, I can see history and the results of policy, and see where favoring the wealth in every governmental policy is BAD for the nation. It just happens the "elite" on the "left" agree with me. Because they aren't selfish pricks like those rich folk on the right.

TROLL says, "... while sowing division after division to separate people by anything imaginable, class, race, language, ethnicity, Religion..."

Tex: Hmmm. That would be sowing those divisions with policies like eliminating food stamps for the poor, eliminating public schools, imposing "English Only", oppose immigration, eliminating social security, imposing Voter ID laws and cutting down the number of voting days, opposing minimum wage, wanting to impose vaginal probes on women ... all those DIVISIVE policies that drive wedges between people. Wait... all those (and a great many more which target hated groups) are GOP policies...

TROLL says, "go ahead swallow the DNC talking points live in their utopian delusion,"

Tex: No delusions here. And I don't bother with "talking points", I look at POLICIES proposed and passed. Like the main one the GOP insists on, "Trickle Down" economics.

TROLL says, "... and if you talk about emotional voting then you are clearly talking DNC progressive liberals...
"nuff said" enjoy your delusions of grandeur."

Tex; You sound very emotional, while adding no light to the question of why you would support the GOP, other than agreeing with racist, bigoted, and hateful POLICY.

Trolldaddy • 9 years ago

Personal responsibility vs welfare dole, and your DNC talking points about the GOP wanting to take everything from the poor are no more than political hyperbole, so remain delusional, hateful and bigoted for any other than your own.

Tex • 9 years ago

TROLL says, "Personal responsibility vs welfare dole,"

Tex; Several points. First, you don't take personal responsibility (rugged individualism) for the roads you drive on, the currency you use for money, or inspecting your own meat (or a couple hundred other things). These are public goods we all use, and which we all should pay for.

Second, yours is a false, or at least incomplete, dichotomy. In life, being on welfare does not necessarily mean you have not taken personal responsibility. For example, a great many of those on food stamps are the families of soldiers deployed overseas. A great many others are handicapped. Your "welfare means irresponsible" simplistic view is simply, well, cruel and thoughtless.

TROLL says, "... and your DNC talking points about the GOP wanting to take everything from the poor are no more than political hyperbole,"

Tex; Sorry. I linked them to POLICY of the GOP, policy they tout, they have in their platform (I could link THAT for you if you like), and in many cases, are the law of the land (i.e. Bush's Trickle Down economic policy, still in effect).
See, it's not hyperbole if there is an HISTORIC RECORD of both the POLICY (and who promoted it), and the RESULTS of that policy. Clinton's budget (which NO GOPer supported) led to 23 million new jobs, prosperity, and a surplus. Bush reimplemented "trickle down", and it led to economic collapse, hundreds of thousands of jobs lost monthly, and humongous debt. If you can look at that and fail to see a direct cause and effect, there's really no hope for you.

TROLL says, "... so remain delusional, hateful and bigoted for any other than your own."

Tex: I'm here to try to rescue the delusional, hateful, and bigoted who continue to support the GOP.

Trolldaddy • 9 years ago

Then you are failing miserably, because hyperbole and stale rhetoric are changing nothing and nothing will change your mind, you seem to enjoy putting words in other peoples mouths and spew DNC talking points like they were life's breath, I would much rather have trickle down prosperity than trickle up poverty, the economic collapse you speak of started with Clinton he originated it with initiatives to set aside a percentage of housing to people that couldn't afford it and started the creative financing that spurned the housing collapse Bush supported it and loosened financing even more to try and bolster the economy and then he tried to stop it when it started to fall apart, he was stopped by congress, and his budget was balanced on the back of the American military by not getting rid of the pork but by shutting down and downsizing the military. I pay my taxes for roads highways the FDA and don't complain about the common good but the welfare state is out of control, and I have personal experience from family members to acquaintances that bleed the system dry, corruption is the biggest part of welfare. you state that you can link to arguments but ignore others, you have no soul, and you refuse to see any point other than your own. Enjoy your rage.

Tex • 9 years ago

TEX said, "I'm here to try to rescue the delusional, hateful, and bigoted who continue to support the GOP."

TROLL responds, "Then you are failing miserably,"

Tex: It's difficult to rescue people who aren't aware of the peril they put themselves in. We can only try.

TROLL goes on: "... because hyperbole and stale rhetoric are changing nothing and nothing will change your mind,"

Tex: I keep hoping for something other than blanket dismissals, something with SUBSTANCE, showing either hyperbole or rhetoric to be wrong. I guess I'll have to keep waiting.

TROLL says, ".... you seem to enjoy putting words in other peoples mouths and spew DNC talking points like they were life's breath,"

Tex; I cannot go into your posts and change your words. If your words are vague, you have every opportunity to clarify them. What you are complaining about is that I rebut your words and ideas, and you have no way to respond except with that blanket dismissal.

TROLL says, "I would much rather have trickle down prosperity than trickle up poverty,"

Tex; Another false dichotomy. It's not one or the other. There is BALANCE, as we saw during IKE's administration, and again with Clinton. The obvious historic record is that when "trickle down" is in effect, the wealthy get exponentially wealthier, while the rest of us lose jobs, lose pay, lose savings, lose quality of life, and spiral towards poverty. That you can't see the clear record, or comprehend history, shows that if we follow your path, we are doomed to America becoming just another one of hundreds of top-down monarchies/dictatorships/feudal systems that is the norm in world history, with the wealthy on top and the rest begging for crumbs. It must be what you want. This "democracy" thing is too tough for you to handle, you need to be ruled.

TROLL says, "... the economic collapse you speak of started with Clinton he originated it with initiatives to set aside a percentage of housing to people that couldn't afford it and started the creative financing that spurned the housing collapse."

Tex; I think you mean "spurred" and to an extent, you are correct. The Dems wanted more Americans to be homeowners, the mark of an expanding middle class (what a HORRIBLE goal!). When they relaxed some regulations, the vultures of Wall Street swooped in and exploited those changes to do what WAS NOT INTENDED, but what they've been lusting after for decades: the equity people had in their homes. Using the "new" rules, these "creative capitalists" convinced people who owned their own homes to SELL (these were not the people the Democrats were trying to help, they HAD houses), and then buy their expensive "dream" homes on a bubble-payment basis. Before the bubble came due, the banks bundled up all these mortgages and sold them in bulk, not having to disclose any collateral position. Of course, they put all the liquidated equity into their own pockets.

Seriously, look at how it played out. The "first time buyer" help was only a small fraction of what caused the meltdown. The meltdown was caused by the destruction of equity, which represented most people's life savings. Where did it go? To the poor? No, it went to the BANKS. Was this just a happy coincidence, or was it planned? Do you believe in such a coincidence that would rob trillions from the American people and give it to Wall Street Bankers? By a relaxing of existing rules TO HELP PEOPLE BUY THEIR FIRST HOME? Do you think, alternatively, that this was the Democrats' nefarious PLAN, to destroy our economy by enriching the GOP's base constituents, the 1%?

TROLL says, "Bush supported it and loosened financing even more to try and bolster the economy..."

Tex: As it happened, the Dems (to help starting homeowners) did not loosen the regs quite enough for the Wall Street vultures to fully realize their equity stripping. The GOP fixed that for them, clearing the path for the bankers. This shows you EXACTLY who was on the side of the bankers and against the America people.

TROLL says, '... and then he tried to stop it when it started to fall apart,"

Tex: He said, with feeble voice, "this looks like a problem."
What could he say? He enabled its entire breadth. An "ooops" would be inappropriate, because the outcome was exactly what the Republicans wanted: Strip from the people, give to the wealthy. In one big fell swoop.

TROLL says, ".. he was stopped by congress, and his budget was balanced on the back of the American military by not getting rid of the pork but by shutting down and downsizing the military."

Tex; I missed where our military was shut down.

TROLL says, "I pay my taxes for roads highways the FDA and don't complain about the common good but the welfare state is out of control,"

Tex: And I complain about out of control oil company subsidies, no bid contracts (Billions) to Halliburton, and wars of choice. We don't get a line item veto on our tax forms.

TROLL says, "... and I have personal experience from family members to acquaintances that bleed the system dry, corruption is the biggest part of welfare."

Tex: I've heard that before, a "worthless, lazy" family member gets welfare, and you instead want them PUNISHED, to starve. Serves them right. Oh, and all the rest on welfare should be cut off as well, while we're at it. Such anecdotal stories may seem like sufficient reason to support policy that would harm so many people, and the country as well. But if your relative is on welfare, they are living a terrible life. Isn't that enough for you?

TROLL says, "... you state that you can link to arguments but ignore others, you have no soul, and you refuse to see any point other than your own. Enjoy your rage."

Tex: What? If you have a question about what I say, state your complaint. My old dad used to say, "In order to solve a problem, one must first state that problem in solvable terms." It sounds self evident, but in coming to these rightwing sites, I note a profound lack of ability to either identify a problem, determine the cause of that problem, or state a solution that makes sense.

For example, just eliminating welfare is your solution. To what problem? Your taxes? These people getting a job? Would it spur the kids of a single mom to go out an get a job, or start a businsess? Even if they're pre-school? Would it be a solution to ANYTHING (except, you hope, your taxes)? Are you aware of what happens when a nation turns its back on those in need, turning them to desperation in order to survive? Or do you not think such things, in your zeal to punish you lazy relative who SHOULD NOT be given food to eat? Damn him (or her)!

Trolldaddy • 9 years ago

And again you put words into my statements to make a point without me stating what you rail against,
You dismiss criticism offhand not with facts but rhetoric, Clinton shut down military bases and downsized the Military to balance the budget, I did not state the "military was shut down"
Ive never stated "all the rest on welfare should be cut off as well" again your words not mine, but I do believe that corruption is rampant in welfare and have witnessed it, from people selling the older food stamps for cents on the dollar to buy everything from drugs to electronics to people using the EBT cards to pay for others purchases in return for cash for the same purpose not to mention convenience stores just giving cash to EBT holders , to the people having several children from different fathers with no child support complaining they don't get enough money for the nicer things in life and again I've never stated that eliminating welfare is the answer again your words, ones that you attribute to me... funny that i didn't utter them.
And the DNC 1% reaped as much if not more wealth from the housing collapse as the GOP 1% and there are as many democratic 1%'rs as republican.
The equity stripping you speak of started with housing inflation brought on by Clinton's initiatives, during that period I was priced out of affordable housing and chose to rent rather than live above my means, but the very people that you think the Democrats were trying to help bought into the over inflated market and lost what little they had to the banks and the realtors, who pushed by Clinton's initiatives and Bush's relaxing financial standards sold every overinflated home they could with unreal financing,
You define my statements to fit your ideas, you don't reason you accuse others and attribute all evil to one side and excuse the other of any liability, your bias is showing along with your projection,
There are none so blind as those who will not see, take off your hateful DNC blinders and open your eyes, perhaps then we can reason, until then you can wait until eternity ends because my life experiences have taught me reality not rhetoric and no amount of your "shaming" can change that...

Tex • 9 years ago

TROLL says, "And again you put words into my statements to make a point without me stating what you rail against,"

Tex; It's called a "conversation". You say something, then I tell you how it can be interpreted, the you correct my misunderstandings. My mom did this, too. "Take these folded clothes to your room." "Just to my room?" "No, put them in the right drawers." "Oh. Is that all?" "No. Then come back, because I have another stack of clothes for you." The conversation progresses, based on responses.

TROLL says, "You dismiss criticism offhand not with facts but rhetoric,"

Tex; No, I don't. Tell me what "criticism" you've given which I have dismissed without fact?

TROLL says, "Clinton shut down military bases and downsized the Military to balance the budget, I did not state the "military was shut down" "

Tex: What you SAID was (cut and paste quote), "... his (Clinton's) budget was balanced on the back of the American military by not getting rid of the pork but by shutting down and downsizing the military."

Now, maybe you meant shutting down OR downsizing the military, but as you said it, you stated Clinton shut down the military. You should be careful with your wording.

That said, the military has been downsized and rightsized and grown and shrunk over all our history. Noted warmonger Richard "DIK" Cheney's big job as Secretary of Defense was shutting down military bases and cutting the military budget. More about the latest "downsizing"...
http://www.newrepublic.com/....

TROLL says, "Ive never stated "all the rest on welfare should be cut off as well" again your words not mine,"

Tex; You said your relative was indicative of the people getting welfare but, apparently, who should not GET it. I didn't realize you were not talking about overall policy, but about one specific case. In that instance, you should contact the local welfare department, and report your relative for fraud. They take such things very seriously.

TROLL says, "... but I do believe that corruption is rampant in welfare and have witnessed it, from people selling the older food stamps for cents on the dollar to buy everything from drugs to electronics to people using the EBT cards to pay for others purchases in return for cash for the same purpose not to mention convenience stores just giving cash to EBT holders, to the people having several children from different fathers with no child support complaining they don't get enough money for the nicer things in life and again I've never stated that eliminating welfare is the answer again you words, ones that you attribute to me funny that i didn't utter them."

Tex: At this point, I guess I note that, indeed, you weren't talking policy. You were just "venting", which is OK, but it's not a discussion we can have. Again, most of the things you list above are against the law, and you should report them.

TROLL says, "And the DNC 1% reaped as much if not more wealth from the housing collapse as the GOP 1% and there are as many democratic 1%'rs as republican."

Tex: Except the GOPs ENTIRE POLICY thrust is to enrich the wealthy at the expense of everyone else, while the DNC's policy is about helping poor people, working people, families, and small businesses. You can't say "they're all alike" when they clearly ARE NOT. Then, of course, you have the DNC's 1% calling for higher taxes for the wealthy, people like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet. Who are the equivalent GOPers calling for such a policy? It's easy to say they're all the same, but it doesn't hold up when you look at what policies they advocate, and have PASSED over the decades. Sorry. No equivalence at all.

TROLL says, "The equity stripping you speak of started with housing inflation brought on by Clinton's initiatives, during that period I was priced out of affordable housing and chose to rent rather than live above my means,"

Tex; I'd need details of that transaction/decision, because I've owned houses over the years, too. I even watched a mutual fund go from $100,000 value just before Bush got elected, and it dove to $40,000 right after he got elected. So, there's some details about my finances, amount and time. Bush cost me $60,000. What's your story? You were IN affordable housing, then it got unaffordable? How? Why?

TROLL says, ".... but the very people that you think the Democrats were trying to help bought into the over inflated market and lost what little they had to the banks and the realtors,"

Tex; They had NOTHING. The real money was in people's house equities, and those were not who the Democrats were trying to help. Those people already HAD houses. But the measures they used were hijacked and abused by the bankers, to entice those with lots of equity to SELL, liquidate the equity, give it to the bankers, then take "possession" of their dream house with a balloon payment. When the balloon payment came due, they couldn't afford it, and their equity was already in the bankers' overseas accounts. All the people who actually had no house, then got a mortgage from the Democrats' initiatives, all their money put together would be barely a ripple in the market. Poor people did not cause the crash, although the Republicans want you to buy that false narrative.

When in doubt, take Watergate's Deep Throat's advice: Follow the money. A. Who made out like bandits, and B. who took it in the neck? Answers: A. Bankers, B. the American people.

TROLL says, "... who pushed by Clinton's initiatives and Bush's relaxing financial standards sold every overinflated home they could with unreal financing,"

Tex: Exactly as planned, and NOT by Democrats. Remember, the "further relaxing" of regulations under Bush was necessary for the banks to pull it off.

TROLL says, "You define my statement to fit your ideas, you don't reason you accuse others and attribute all evil to one side and excuse the other of any liability, your bias is showing along with your projection,"

Tex; You seem mad, but you say nothing of substance here.

TROLL says, "There are none so blind as those who will not see,"

Tex: Amen, brother.

TROLL says, "... take of your hateful DNC blinders and open your eyes, perhaps then we can reason until then you can wait until eternity ends because my life experiences have taught me reality not rhetoric and no amount of your "shaming" can change that."

Tex; Which would be great, if what you "experienced" was interpreted according to facts, instead of being felt emotionally. I know you're really pissed that being lazy hasn't led your worthless relative to suffer, starve, and (hopefully) die, (or perhaps you think cutting off welfare will make that relative say, "What? No more free money? I'd better go out and become a captain of industry!") but that kind of emotional reaction makes for terrible public policy.

ChicoEscuela • 9 years ago

YOU must be speaking of Barack Hussein Obama.
As he clearly doesn't care about the "average joe", he gives huge tax benefits to large corporations, hasn't done anything about putting people back to work and given our children and grandchildren over 10 TRILLION in more debt for them to pay back.

Tex • 9 years ago

GOP obstructionism. Or, maybe not: How about you name the Obama bills passed into law that have caused corporations to get big benefits, and has kept people from getting back to work, and has led to the debt increasing. Be specific now, the OBAMA policies that are causing these things.

ChicoEscuela • 9 years ago

That's my point - worthless Leftist. Barack hasn't done sh*t, except of course to say he's going to do something and then never mentions it again.
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But of course mindless slugs like you actually think he's doing something.
Well he has...BHO has added over 10 Trillion to our National debt. Maybe you'd like to tell us just who will pay that back.
And of course he's been protecting the Islamonazi's while throwing our ally's under the bus.
But thats okay with you leftist slugs, as long as you can continue to Collect!