Sir,

Mr Arun Jaitley, the Curse for NDA Government is playing bad game on Government Employees Pay and Perks hence this culprit is interfering in Seventh pay Commission Reports regularly in the name of fiscal deficit or inflation what ever may be. he is not fit for any Minister as he has been rejected by Public at Amritsar but through back door he has become Finance Minister for ruin the Nation and NDA Government

ALL WORKING CLASS PEOPLE WORKING SURROUNDING THE JANTAR MANTAR SHOULD GO AND EXTEND THEIR SUPPORT TO EX SERVICE MAN OBSERVING FAST SINCE 121 DAYS. ATLEAST IN THE EVENING FOR ONE HOUR LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE SHOULD BE STAND WITH EX SERVICE MEN PERFORMING RAMDHUN. IF WE DO NOT SUPPORT OTHERS, OTHER WILL NOT SUPPORT US. PLEASE DON'T BE SELF CENTRIC.

OROP demand is met by the Government. Revision every five years is a fair proposal. Agree that army people put their lives to danger to protect country but they should not be too greedy. Revision every year will call for too much of admistrative work.

Greedy!!!!!!! Go and take a bullet then only one can feel

Dear Mr Vyas,
I hope you know banks are working out intt on daily basis. What are the administrative problems in working out annual pension which was being done before 3 CPC ( Central Pay Commission).
You also mean to say that in future we should never trust Parliamentarians as OROP APPROVED BY Two PARLIAMENTS is Baseless.
Mr Parikar Ji has no locus standii in front of Mr Jaitley. A project submitted by MoD is being dictated by Min of Finance who's responsibility is to find funds. If he can't the PM has to take a call to direct FM. BABUS ARE misleading PM and FM. Injustice to ESM would result in a very heavy price to our Country. God save the NATION if moral of services get affected. It is definitely going to be affected as today's soldier is tomorrow's Veteran.

I think now the time has come for ex foujis to deal these politicians, babus and all other anti foujis, in the fouji style. Thats the way the understand. We are committed to ensure safety and security of our nation but if it comes the moral of our foujis, every action will be valid and fair. May be this over ambitious government is waiting to see some thing which India has never seen.

Dear Mahesh , max of pension from defence funds go to civilian staff MOD, DRDO , Ordanance Factories, MES , Defence Audit etc etc, Second maximum of IAS. IFS IPS already get OROP and also NFU. Even if you are not promoted yoiu get pay of higher rank. Which govt awards in competency. Second it is these political calss which reduced pension of forces from 70 to 50% after Bnagla Desh and incraesed their won from 30 to 50 % . I can keep quoting . It took one man to go to Courts to get back our rank pay. They had quietly eaten it . Thosr respionsible just get away with such crimes. NO ONE IS ACCOUNATBLE .

Hello Mr Kuppuswami,
First I would like to say that I have high regards for our army.
But I have to say that ex army personnel are asking too much. I know for sure that IFS don't get pension revision every year. And why a DRDO man should not get a pension?
What about BSF AND CRPF people. Why they should not get OROP. Asking to revise pension every year means they want salary and not pension.
Ex army personnel are emotionally blackmailing the people of country.
Ofcourse they should get enough to lead a dignified retired life.
What about millions of people like me who get no pension after working for 40 years and contributing to countries prosperity?

Mr. Vyas ! if you are not an army man, if you have not lived even a single day the way the army men live for years in their life, you please keep your mouth shut and keep your ideas with you. You are comparing the army men with DRDO, IFs, and paramilitary forces because you have seen army actions only in television and movies. Your country's prosperity will go to hell if the army does not ensure security to you from external & internal enemies as well as the natural calamities and funny activities such as rescue operations from bore well. Dont chellange the power of a fouji. Our politeness should not be taken as our weakness. Every one knows how strong the foujis are.

Hello Mr Bisth,
As I have said I have highest regards for army and veterans. I wish to see a very strong indian army. I also wish that the just demands of veterans are met by government. Only thing is that I felt that government fulfilled OROP demand. If not, keep your agitation on.
However, don't underestimate others contribution. Please think from where government gets money. From where they will get money for OROP.
Good luck, all the best.

Dear Mr Vyas
The Goverment has led you to believe that they have granted OROP to the veterans which is not so. No one is undermining the contribution of others. However all others whom you has cited earlier retire at the age of 58 / 60. It's only army where the jawans, JCOs and officers retire early when they are in the mid 30's and 40's . It is done to keep the army young and responsive to the call of the nation. That is why the last bastion of the the nation is called first in times of need even before you have exhausted all possible resources because the govt roposes that kind of faith in the army. I think we must give the soldier's their due because if they resort to taking it by their means it will be a disaster for the nation. And believe today if one asks you whom do you trust more with your life? A politician or a soldier. I think the answer itself will clear all doubts.

Thanks.
I wish Army and the veterans the very best in their life.
Certainly want them to lead a very happy and dignified retired life.
All the best.
Jai Hind

Maheshkumar Vyas • 7 days ago

OROP demand is met by the Government. Revision every five
years is a fair proposal. Agree that army people put their lives to danger to
protect country but they should not be too greedy. Revision every year will
call for too much of admistrative work.

WHAT RUBBISH YOU ARE TALKING
MR.VYAS ." Revision every year will call for too much of admistrative
work."- ARE YOU IN COMPUTER AGE OR STILL LIVING IN STONE AGE WITH
YOUR NDA GOVT ? YOU CAN ALSO TELL YOUR FRIENDS
THAT IF THEY ARE NOT COMPUTER LITERATE OR FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE WITH SIMPLE
ARITHMETIC ; PLEASE MAKE ONE CALL TO UFESM AND SPECIAL CLASSES CAN BE ARRANGED
TO TRAIN THE NOT SO LITERATE ADM.STAFF
WHO MIGHT BE HANDLING THIS DEPT.
AND FOR GOD'S SAKE DON'T SHOW YOUR CLASS BY CALLING ARMY PEOPLE
"GREEDY". YOUR GENERAL KNOWLEDGE AND MENTAL ABILITY ARE FAR BELOW
STANDARD TO ASSES THE HONESTY ,COURAGE ,INTELLIGENCE AND DEDICATED SELFLESS
LOVE OF "ARMY PEOPLE" FOR THEIR MOTHERLAND . THEY MAKE THE NATION
SECURE SO THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND MANY OTHER MEN WOMEN CHILDREN CAN SLEEP IN THE COMFORT OF A HOUSE WHILE
THEY IN THEIR PRIME YOUTH , SPEND
SLEEPLESS NIGHTS IN THE SNOW OR DESERT OR ROUGH CYCLONIC OCEAN , AT
TIMES WITHOUT PROPER MEAL AND CLOTHES ,TO RECEIVE THE FIRST BULLET FROM YOUR
ENEMIES ON THEIR CHESTS . WE DON'T AND WE WON'T EVEN REGRET A BIT FOR
SACRIFICING OUR LIVES FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO CALL US GREEDY, OR THE SO CALLED
NETAS WHO HAVE FAILED US AND HUMILIATED US
AGAIN AND AGAIN - BECAUSE OUR LOVE & LOYALTY TO OUR MOTHER LAND IS TOO STRONG TO FORGIVE AND FORGET THE PETTY
MINDEDNESS OF FEW OF HER SPOIL CHILDREN . ENJOY OUR HOSPITALITY FREE OF COST .
AFTER ALL YOU ARE DEPENDENT ON US NOT THE OTHER WAY . MAY BE WE SHOULD FEEL
PITY ON YOU .

If the election promises are not meant to be implemented, then why promise ? Is it to cheat Public.
Actually Election Commission should be requested to make a rule to consider such departures as offence.

Dear Mr. Pangaal, please do not criticize the mentality of defense personnel. You are less informed about the defense people. Believe, had at least 20-25% of people from civil and bureaucrats with this fauji mentality, by now India should have been a super power. Super power not merely by militarily but also economically,scientifically and geographically. People of what mentality are being elected again and again in this country? Do you appreciate the mentality of people who are selfish in the pursuit of enhancement of their own salary and pension? What trouble are the taking for this kind of increments? Introspect sir. Please honour the FAUJI mentality which stands guard to all of you to achieve your goals as per their own mentalty.

We should compare how other countries presently treat their veterans and you will find yourselves very blessed....question always crops up Why after Modi came to power Why didn't you all did all these complaining during congi time ? This puts doubts on your sincerety & directs to some agenda....

What Gen Satbir Singh of
Ex Servicemen Organization said that they do not allow leaders of
Political party to use their mike to gain political mileage? But it is
not true, these senior appointment holders before the Lok
Sabha elections got a BJP’s, planed and arranged party rally at Rewari
Haryana rename as Ex Servicemen
rally. There these Ex Servicemen
Organization Senior leaders including Gen V K Singh who is now a minister in
this times Modi Government (Abki bar ki Modi Sarakr) were present. These senior
in that Ex Servicemen Rally allowed some senior BJP leaders of Harayana and Narender
Modi to use their mike to garner vote bank appealed to vote on the name of Narender
Modi vote for BJP candidates. JAI SHRI KRISHNA.

When did jaitley tell him that ? If it was right in the beginning,why didnt he come out and tell it to the country ?

He told all IESM Team on 16 Jul 2014

Remember one golden rule in pvt negotiations....always tape or record the meeting....in secret....and have daily video releases on social media ,whatsapp etc

Dear Friends,
If Poll Promises are just electioneering tactics, God Save the Nation.
Regards
Jai Bharat Matha

Poll promises are nor and never contracts...although they should be though...Its just a way to beat the opponents during electioneering... How many promises the congi-commies have been kept so far and when did you complain about those never having been fulfilled ? Next time keep a list of them all...

Unfortunately nothing ever in this country wad achieved peacefully in our Country. Even Independence in our Country was granted when British realised that they had face the hard elements too. ESM need to speak in the language which the politicians undetstand .

Can Satbir singh tell us what he means by 'hijacking' of their agenda by political parties ? Instead he should've clearly stated the roadmap to the political parties supporting them and asked them to adhere to it.Satbir messed up even that one.These chappies actually had no clue on how to conduct an agitation.They have typical fauji mentality.Sorry to say this.

A fauji is a Fauji. His heart is genuine. Fauji's can't do diplomacy like civilians. We are better as we are and do not need unsolicited advice!

No matter what Faujis are part of whole society performing their duty... Now let's not act like khalistani sikhs whose naaraa has always been "we are different"

I totally agree with you Mukul ji.

It is sad that military veterans have to resort to agitation & negotiation for their legitimate rights which have been steadily whittled down by a scheming bureaucracy & political apathy ever since independence. Now, with water flowing over the bridge, they have resorted to protest at Jantar Mantar. They may be novices at political protests but they are also quick learners! They come from schools which have repeatedly taught them that in war there are no runners-up. They fight to win, their methods are novel, they believe in surprising their adversaries with out-of-the-box solutions. Best not to let this issue drag on for long lest they become adept at agitating- what turn the agitation may take cannot really be predicted!

Dear Colonel Jagdeep Singh,

You are very correct Sir. One should not take lightly about Veterans agitation.
Their self discipline should not be considered as weakness.
Things will definitely deteriorate with further delay.
May God bestow good health to General Satbir Singh Sir to take this decades of OROP struggle
to a logical conclusion for the benefit of all great veterans and serving soldiers
and officers of Armed Forces.

Regards
Jai Hind

How come this issue has come up only after BJP came to power ? Why no one was so gung-ho during congi-commie rule....during all those decades...?

It seems like another congi commie inspired outfit similar to aap and patel outfit in Gujarat trying to put down Modi govt. Where were these outfits during madmohan/sonia decades ?

It is high time India undergoes a long spell of military rule! A lot would be achieved within a short period of time i.e. all kinds of crime & corruption shall get eliminated, terrorists and anti nationals shall leave the country alone, politicians & dhotiwallas shall be consigned to doom, bureaucrats shall be brought to their senses, caste based reservations shall be a thing of past & above all the media shall fall in line. I dont say that everything that plagues the country today shall get corrected but some semblance of sanity shall prevail within a very short time.

Imagine making such a promise to the defence forces in Pakistan & reneging on it - the politicians in pakistan cannot even think of going back on their promises.

India needs a long spell of military rule & nothing else to set the nation on the right path!

Hoping that after the Bihar election is over the legitimate and promised words of our defence minister on OROP will be implemented in letter and spirit.
Jai jai the honourable Maj Gen Satbir Singh (retd) and other dignified veterans who are putting their dedicated struggle to implement the long outstanding issue...
Jai Hind.

Unfulfillable promises for votes; cash for votes;caste for votes. Is there no constitutionally valid method/procedure to book Jaitley, modi, shah like characters who fool public for electoral gains when they themselves confess were just electoral promises? If this is not professing and practicing the ground rules of goonda / jungle raj, what else is?

How come there were no agitations from your "brigade" before Modi/NDA came to power i.e during congi-commie rule ? Just wondering ....Something doesn't jive Is it preparation similar to "arab spring" like in Egypt supported, financed & advised by firengees saat samundar paar....? Can't help wondering... Why Now ?

Very saddening indeed.. :(

This is their inculcated character. They can do anything wrong to create favorable situation by deceit, cheating and deception to meet their selfish insatiable greed for power and what not. JAI SHRI KRISHNA.

One thing I forget to write that Mr Arun Jaitley is Curse for NDA Government . He may ruin the Government within a short period
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Surely, the days of this government are on reverse count down now.

You talk pretty BIG like khujleewaal..disrespectfully..hence doubts on your sincelety...and agenda....As you say the soldiers are terminated when in their thirtees so why not train for some other professions like it is done in other countries...Do you expect to sit home collecting and living off pensions for the rest of your life ? Really shameful...

Mr Mayur

Please try to see the real problems of Indian Armed Forces then blame. As I understood that In India the Bureaucrat Lobbies are playing foul game and be fooling entire Ex Serviceman/Serving Personnel and their families of Indian Armed Forces since Independence as only Bureaucrat want maximum benefits from Government with the help of misguiding and misleading entire Ministers and Politicians . I also understood that in India the Bureaucrats are CURSED FOR THE NATION AND SOCIETY as they are following Britishers rules till date. Please ensure that if you are a Bureaucrat then help of a actual Heroes of Nation and not demoralised their image in front of other Country also not to decline their efficiency by means of harassing them

My dear sir,my grandfather was in Army.He was a subhedar.He passed away last year.I guess I dont have to say anything more.
As I said,the people they were negotiating with are hardened criminals.They are laaton ke bhoot.

What a shame. I am happy i dint vote for this ' lying jumla govt' . i would like to ask the
Bhakths' what they think about this. Jaitley's admission is shocking and disgraceful. BJP should loose in Bihar . People of India should take a collective decision. until the central govt. fulfill all promises they will not be voted to win in the state elections. winning state elections will make them more arrogant and will bring the country to disaster.

Shameful.... Our armymen put their lives on the point of the dagger of death for our country, and this is what our countrymen give in return.

Every soldier in every country does the same...Always compare your lot with them.whether in west or east......Of course they should get their due and be respected but no one can be allowed to badmouth the fairly elected govt.. Why was there no protest during congi/upa rule...?

All sadistic work is being initiated by Bureaucrat lobbies as I consider that Bureaucrat Mafias are cursed for the Nation and Society

Pathetic. Veterans gave their sweat and blood for this great country. Prestitute and politics......

It really surprising that both Print Media and Electronic Media have stopped covering OROP issue abruptly. Do they really think that Nation need not know the
problems of Veterans, the injustice meted out by them.

Regards
Jai Hind.

Sir, dont worry, the time is over when all were dependent on TV and news papers to updates. Let these presstitutes ignore our agitation, we all are updated on every move, through social media. Only thing we faujis should learn now, that when these gaddar presstitutes are in danger, we should kick on their back and push them to valley, instead of protecting them in any situation.

watch out here comes the likes of Pukistani musharraf....threats, big talk who is threatening to overthrow if he doesn't get his way.. Really shameful....If you were in some western army you would have been sleeping under some bridge homeless, cold & without food...mentally disoriented....It is very easy to complain in our Hindusthan....freedom of speech taken too far...