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newcurmudgeon • 7 years ago

Horse manure. She completely ignores the gulen conspiracy...which reached many levels...including military. Turkish people are more concerned about reality than Westrn media ignorant mis-representation of facts on the ground.

Why don't jornalists such as the author do fact-checking? Only taking CIA word...ignoring fact that Fethulla Gulen is a CIA guest in PA.

Why not tell the glaring reality that ALL shades of Turks, even those opposing Erdogan such as Kurds, secular parties, right wing parties, feel betrayed by the pious platitudes of the Gulen movement, that actually murdered fellow Turks...and bombed the Parliamen (something no previous coup had done)

sraw • 7 years ago

With just a little knowledge of Erdogan and recent Turkish politics one could have predicted this easily without Amnesty International to confirm it, though at least they're saying something, unlike the terminally pathetic, corporate-owned, cheerleading pack of hyenas called the mainstream U.S. media, who don't care a whit about facts, only how they can appeal to emotion, narrowly spin a story, stir up shit, and keep raking in the profits for their billionaire daddies.

And where is our smug, cool, legacy building, let's keep everything tamped down until I get out of here President, who has it all figured out and reassures us everything is ok? Well, Turkey is an ally of our maintain the empire tactics in the Middle East, so we can't rile them, can we.

Speaking of which, the Kurds, from defending themselves against Turkish attempts at genocide, are the best fighters in the region, having success against ISIS - the presumed objective of the U.S. - but our government was A-OK with the Turks using the distraction of ISIS to attack the Kurds.

It's a long uphill battle against overwhelming propaganda, but eventually, if the facts are regarded as more important than the lies, we will one day realize that the U.S. is in almost no way the good guy. The empire, the profits and the silence they buy from pacified citizens are all that matters, not people or democracy elsewhere, and recently less and less at home either.

cuja1 • 7 years ago

The US creates terrorists, in order to have terrorists to blame for the terroristic actions the US CIA are committing.

basarov • 7 years ago

So Truthout accepts CIA funding! Well known is that both americas watch and amnesty international are political tools of US imperialism.
I am amused by all the anti-Turkish coverage in the US media following the failed CIA coup in Turkey last month. And that media elsewhere explicitly reports that this was a CIA directed coup--in contrast to the US bourgeoise press---this site being among the MSM sources that parrot the US imperialist narrative, is one more proof of american complicity. That the comments below are anti-Turkish sovereignty is ordinary; americans a re notoriously xenophobic and racist.
When we observe mass torture, genocide and murder, only one nation displays itself as vastly more barbaric than any other---the USA. And this applies to every era and president from obama going backwards in history, to include a century of genocide against natives and celebrated imperialism from 1865 onwards. (see eminent historians, Genovese, Potter, etc) The brazen hypocrisy and despicability of an american to admonish Turkey or any other nation for "human rights violations" only displays that americans reject self examination and are easily misled by lies and flashing lights.

plumplum • 7 years ago

You think that was a CIA coup?
Some of my connected contacts are quite certain it was a false flag to allow Erdogan to launch a sweeping cleaning of any opponents prior to his attempts to reestablish a caliphate.

Latter events appear to bear that out.
https://www.rt.com/news/354...
I read yesterday (RT) that Incirlik airbase, home to US/NATO forces and a repository of nuclear weapons, is surrounded by the "new" turkish army..
WTF is this not the headlines in all the major newspapers round the world, FFS?

basarov • 7 years ago

Perhaps you are CIA and you believe that your "connected contacts" are relevant--your effort to divert attention away from what is sensible and reported widely in international media, but is censored in american media suggests your version cannot be trusted. Yes americans may be uneducated and gullible enough believe your conspiracy CIA version of the truth---I am not.

plumplum • 7 years ago

Don't be daft, I'm an ordinary person but I have friend who either are very close to the region or very knowledgeable about the goings on.
Did you read the public link about Incirlik air base?

General consensus is that Erdogan is after more and more power and influence and this was a cleansing.

basarov • 7 years ago

You refer to the consensus of the CIA paid media, but you obviously don't read Russian, or Spanish---you simply lie--the Russian, Serb, Azeri, Iranian, Venezuelan, Cuban, or Turkish media---all of whom directly implicate the CIA, name retired US Gen. John Campbell as the coup director and observe that the FSB was able to trace huge amounts of CIA dollar transfers from Nigerian banks to senior and mid level Turkish military officials---that 3 of the 5 Turkish regiments involved in the coup are NATO deployed and saturated with officers that have long standing relations w the CIA, US military and many w Gulen's schools demonstrates you to be wrong. Estimates are that the coup will cost the Turkish economy 300 b lira--about 100 billion USD---given the current weakness of the Turkish economy, slowed to less than 3% estimated growth this year, your explanations retain even less credibility.

plumplum • 7 years ago

I appreciate the info.
My posts are never intended as lies. I offer or report on opinions. Which as you point out, may be well wide of the truth on this occasion. That was a rather harsh judgment.

You are quite correct, I do not read those languages.
Clearly in the English speaking world, much nuance and information is lost, hidden, distorted. Hence the value of alt media such as this and RT, PressTV, Uruknet, et al..

I am quite aware of the modus operandi of the US, which through it's "innocent think tanks" associates and affiliates, CIA, HRW, NED, even Amnesty, (etc) has done previously unimaginable damage to the planet, particularly in the ME.

Without a doubt, they will get rid of "leaders" once useful to them, as they have done so many times before.
Is it not conceivable that against the background of such a coup attempt, Erdogan has actually set out to increase his power?.. After all, were all those police, judges, teachers under the influence of the 5th column?

basarov • 7 years ago

Your use of consensus annoyed me. And I am not partial to Erdogan--for the past 5 years Turkish politics seem to have moved in the wrong direction...IMO. I do read Russian media, some Serb media and some of the Spanish language media--I live in S. America.
Consolidation is always part of any new administration and response to perceptions that there are disloyal elements in an organization or government. These purges are routine; it is both expected and reasonable following a failed violent coup...and also seen in orderly transitions of power. Purges are aimed at anyone deemed dangerous or an obstacle to carrying out a particular policy or project.
Ordinarily it is mid level and junior members who pose the greatest threat, in ministries and the military. Most effective coups involve junior officers, for example.
I do not claim to be an expert on Turkish affairs. I am aware that Turkey is complex, an old culture, economically, demographically diverse. My own posts here are intended to illuminate the vast differences in coverage seen between Anglo media and the non-anglo media I follow. I should add that I do not trust any journalism. Some is more reliable than others; however, by its nature journalism is superficial and designed to deceive....that is it conveys a particular point of view, often by way of omission.

Snead Hearn • 7 years ago

All that matters to the US is whether a country follows U.S. dictates. If Erdogan does, he's "making Turkey safe for democracy". If he doesn't, he's an "evil dictator who kills his own people". Iraq and Syria are perfect examples.

manyhorses • 7 years ago

Watch, next they will start in on Genocide on the Kurds inside Turkey---------then what will the World do? since the Kurds are the only ones with enough Courage to fight ISIL to the death. Another Bloody Egomanic man in the Muslim World...........isn't that strange????

cuja1 • 7 years ago

ISIS/ISIL are what the US/CIA created by US deliberate terroristic action.- illegally invading, murdering over thousands of innocent people, especially children....Not counting all the countries that has been stirred up by the US.

George Buzzetti • 7 years ago

Hitler has morphed in to Erdogan and trump. What the hell, did we learn the last time or not is the question.

DofG • 7 years ago

It's the power of one man's ego and the power of ignorance in those who follow him. It simply illustrates that nationalism is just a dressed up form of "gangbanging"! Pledge allegiance to a gang and let "our truth" be no one else's truth. Claim that the people and the state are one but repress, torture, and kill, all those who choose to think for themselves.

There's only One Soul in the Universe! Thus, all our bloody conflicts over ideological distinctions about religion, politics, and economic modalities, are illusions that wilfully avoids the truth of Man's singularity and illustrates that we are still operating by primitive impulses all dressed up in modern technology and a $5,000 suit!

The New Idol:

http://4umi.com/nietzsche/z...

max's pad • 7 years ago

When they have arrested so many judges, it is pretty clear this was not about ending a coup, but is about installing an illegal authoritarian as dictator subject to no laws.

pgathome1 • 7 years ago

Turkey is a friend of the US? with friends like this who are our enemies?

invictus2 • 7 years ago

"turkish-authorities-are-committing-mass-torture" All part of the neolib master plan for world fascism.

Snead Hearn • 7 years ago

Neo-con is another label for the war-monger, police-staters.