If he'd drawn Spider-Man in that pose it might have been funny. But instead he made Spidey into a pervy gawker. Boo.

Someone should do a cover with Deadpool in that pose, if they haven't yet

And still have Spidey as a pervy gawker.

And have Wade go "Okay, yeah, my back REALLY hurts posing like this."

I would pay money for this.

Hell, if this got to Ryan Reynolds, I'd bet you he'd DO the cover as a photo shoot.

I laughed so hard at that mental image I actually choked

I want this to be a thing. PLEASE. Not for pervy reasons, but because we could all use the laugh.

He'd no doubt be wearing Jean Grey's original Marvel Girl outfit. As Wade is often wont to do.

*gets mental image lodged in brain, screams with horror*

That was the X-men's reaction!

I was thinking that too. It would be just enough parody to make it funny even if Gwen was objectifying him from behind.

And you know Peter would be making a smart remark about it.

oh like this?

http://uc.herocomics.kr/3/3...

On the upside, it does seem a lot more anatomically correct than the Manara one.

I have to admit, my first reaction was "Hey, at least her arm, back and neck aren't anatomically impossible this time!"

I noticed that, too. Which could, on the positive side, be a 'send up" of how badly out of anotomical correctness the Manara one was.

It's a little hard to tell with the inking, but the anatomy is actually spot-on with the original.

True, but for me that just makes it more obvious that that pose is physically impossible.

At a Boston Comic Con a few years ago, I sat in on a "watch Frank Cho draw something!" panel. As he drew a picture of some busty superhero (she was cheetah-themed, but I forget who exactly she was) fighting ninjas on the subway, all he would talk about how was much he loved drawing big boobs and he consistently focused on the chest of the woman moderating the "panel." It was disgusting and I felt completely uncomfortable the whole time. Cho may, at times, draw nonsexualized women, but there's no doubt in mind what he actually thinks of women and how they should be shown.

Eww...

And you know what? That's okay!

No, seriously, it's okay to think about sex, and to think of people as sexy, and to want to depict people in sexual ways.

The problem is that there's a line called "appropriateness," where it stops being about Mr. Cho expressing his intense attraction to women and starts being him creating wank material. Mr. Cho, and many other men, can't seem to distinguish the line between cheesecake and flat-out porn, and don't know when it's okay to cross that line.

Because let's face it, that's what's wrong with this picture- not that it depicts a young woman in a sexual pose, or that it's explicitly voyeuristic, but rather that it's pornography trying to pretend it isn't. It gives me the same creepy vibe I get when I realize someone is masturbating in public on the subway- I get why he wants to do it, it would just be a lot less worse if he kept this private.

He did get his start at Penthouse comix, so I could see how that line could blur slightly. However this is a problem with fairly successful men, their ego gets stroked (pun not intended) where they decide what is or is not appropriate and expect everyone to just agree with him.

Wow. It's obvious from his art that he's a skeeze but I didn't know he was that blatant about it. Disgusting.

The addition of Peter ogling her ass kinda takes away any ambiguity here, doesn't it? No accusations of "It's just an homage!" or "That's just how women are built!" No, this is explicitly about sexualizing a teenager to take a crack at those "durned feminists" Which is pretty indefensible.

What I think is dumb, is people pull sh!t like this, laughing at those durned wimminz, and then one day, when the wimminz don't like him or buy his stuff or whatever might happen in 10, 20, 30 yrs, they wonder why the people they flipped the middle finger to no longer give a sh!t about them.

It's because we're fake nerds who don't care about the real talent! There's no way the explanation could be as simple as people knowing who they are and not liking their work anyway. No, clearly it's because we're just pretending to be nerds for the D.

Yes, and all the books pandering to us are wrong because they are pandering to us and not drawing women with their butts in the air. Women's butts are the only way to not pander to people who don't matter!

Silk having an art style that allows Cindy to express a vast range of emotions is idiotic. The artist should be giving her butt more emotional range instead.

And why doesn't Cindy talk about how she wants to bone white men? That's the ticket, there!

When given the opportunity, any successful writer indulges their asian fetish. That's the key to success with any asian heroine right there. It won't alienate your target audience at all!

Seriously everyone, let's make beefcake comics. Then we can put hot men in little underroos having adventure's at pool parties and spring break sleep overs and I will forget all about cheesecake.

So...more Namor comics.

I'm friends with Sorah Shibao on facebook so i kinda forget sometimes there isnt actually a lot of beefcake in comic books. Marvel needs her to do variants.

It's possible, but it rarely happens. Usually because making the character sexual the way the artist wants makes no sense for their personality, so that personality is ignored to make it work.

That's idiotic. No seriously, that's deeply insulting to the hard work of every writer whose ever worked on any character at all. Please just stop talking before I lose my fucking temper. And you call us enemies of art. To you art is just a product!

no, i enjoy the writing and enjoy the art for different reasons, and sometimes they will have to contradict each other.
it is not just a product, i have cried over comic book writing, and i collected uncountable numbers of comic art and images.

If you care about the writing, then maybe you should stop insulting the people who have worked on them by saying the consistent characterization they have struggled to maintain can be tossed out when it's convenient? No, I don't think you care about good storytelling as much as you care about something to masturbate to. A good creative team will keep the art and story consistent with one another through the entire comic to tell a good story. Your masturbation material is not more important than that.

They don't have to contradict each other, you've just decided that it's okay when it gives you something sexy. The rest of us haven't given creative teams the same slack for being lazy.

1) People definitely masturbate to this stuff. 2) That's still sacrificing story to please only a portion of the audience. Not everyone finds it visually pleasing and it can take us completely out of the story. It's pandering, and you need to understand that it isn't necessary and too much of it is harmful to both the final product and the rest of the audience that is never pandered to. A bit of pandering to everyone is okay, but it's still just fluff and is completely unnecessary.

"I only masturbate to pictures I find visually unappealing." ~no one ever

Oh, I...um.

Awk.

Hahahahaha "it's not masturbating it's just visually pleasing" Do you think that's Inherent Sexism 101 or do you think there's enough crap to push that to a 200 level class?

look at this page, the story is not hindered in anyway by janet's ass being in view, the page still gets exactly what story point was intented (that a female and meancing ass ultron is emerging from the fog confronting the avengers)
http://static.comicvine.com...

"It haz nothing to do with motherfucking masturbating!! MOAR BEWBS!!!!! The almighty consumer has spoken!!!!"

Dude, if what you want is to ogle your comics, read Omaha the Cat Dancer. At least in that context, a sexualized heroine makes some sense. Or just buy yourself a Penthouse and save the pretense of caring about the story.

Well that's one D I don't give an S about.

Or more simply, we just don't matter. We're not the target audience, and if things like this drive us away, well, no loss - more man-space for the guys. Status quo upheld, job done.