I was trying to download Freya Beta from the the new website (beta.elementaryos.org), but it keeps asking for my credit card details. And I thought that this is free. By the way, I'm using Luna, which I downloaded FREE from the old eOS home page.

Just click the Custom button on the price chooser and enter 0, then click Download.

Thanks a lot. However, 0 doesn't work. It has to be 0.00

I'm sorry, but the new website is not "privacy minded" by any means. They're running Stripe javascript (likely non-free) and are collecting data using Google Analytics (which doesn't respect DoNotTrack requests). They should be using Piwik!

What do you expect from Joey "Elijah" Sneedon... he wants to be a journalist, and they aren't about delivering the truth, only controversy.

There is currently a pull request under review for a clear Privacy Policy as well as implementing Do Not Track for analytics: https://github.com/elementa...

FWIW if you check the ReadMe, we don't say "Privacy Minded" anywhere: https://github.com/elementa...

It's not in the Readme, but some how Joe Sneddon thought it was "privacy minded".
I don't mind you guys using Stripe, but JS from Stripe's website shouldn't be downloaded and run when you just visit a website.
I'm glad that Google Analytics is now disabled when the page is requested with a Do Not Track header. Thank you!
Yikes! The load time isn't very good, though. About 4.25 seconds.

What kind of internet you running? A potato? I've got 600ms.

Feel free to file a report about the stripe thing.

Lol Yeah, I live out in the middle of nowhere Indiana. I get 6Mbps down speeds.
GTMetrix says 3.85 seconds
http://gtmetrix.com/reports...

Did you use Ctrl-Shift-R to clear the cache and reload the page?

Looks like that page is having a really hard time getting jquery for some reason. That's where the majority of the lag is coming from in their report.

Looks great guys, keep up the good work!

Errrrrrrr. Not again. Why do I need clone of chromium as I have already chromium installed.

Then don't install it

You're right. I didn't.

I wish they would pay more attention to the os and less to the website, Freya is just to old to be exciting now and its not even out yet.

This user's activity is private + FUD = Troll or Shill

Try looking at the meaning of what I said instead of just being emotional.

haha

You're absolutely right.

Why do you require them to change something that is done well? You can consider that it was released when first alpha images came. They just need to squash some bugs because everything else is fine. (and add internet radio streaming to Noise)

I require it to be kept up to date so that it is useful. You cannot consider it released when the first alpha images come out you can consider it released when it is released; i believe thats why they call it a release.

Elementary OS is the prime example of how a nice looking website and branding can give you great results. Other then that it's a poorly maintained OSX knockoff.

1. If Linux Mint were called LINUX 9ER9 it wouldn't be as popular as it is. This isn't to suggest Mint is terrible otherwise. It's to agree that naming a distro after something appealing (Apple, Cinnamon, Mint) helps popularize. In a word: marketing.

2. "Other than that it's a poorly maintained --"

Poorly maintained? Freya receives daily updates. I'm not a dev and so I don't know how minor these updates are. But whatever they are they come in about twice daily.

3. " -- poorly maintained OS X knockoff."

Last time I checked, %99 of Linux is a... wait for it... Windows knockoff.

Linux has to embrace the fact that they are looking for two types of switchers --

1. PC users who hate Microsoft OS choices and bloatware.
2. Mac users who love their OS but resent it being so expensive on a 15 inch laptop.

So where a PC user might be willing to install Linux on a particularly dated PC, a Mac user may be buying a new product and simply wanting nothing to do with Windows.

These are two VERY different switchers. Linux is essentially ready for PC switchers but confused over Mac switchers. Since most Linux users are frustrated PC users they once held resentment towards Mac. And they bring it over with them to Linux... which is asinine.

A Mac switcher still likes their Mac but may want another 'cheap' Mac... via the likes of eOS. So when Linux users roll their eyes at a dock -- they're needlessly alienating a group of switchers.

If Cairo dock wasn't so damn buggy EVERY Linux could be Mac ready in minutes. If every distro of Linux was strongly encouraged to offer min/max/close buttons on either side of any window, you'd always have a way to make Mac users -- as well as PC users -- feel at home.

It doesn't take much to make any Linux feel a little Mac-ish. Since you PC user Linux peeps aren't forced to use them, don't piss and moan at a distro throwing the likes of me a bone.

It's actually remarkable to me that anti-Mac bias in the LInux community. If Yosemite offers 'bright colors' like iOS then... good God man... it's a girlie operating system. Going in a 'terrible direction' people like to say. As if you can't make system ready tweaks to tone it down a little -- like making menus black instead of white. Or if the dock bugs you... hide it and use the spotlight search. So simple, so fast. What's all the p!ssing and moaning. Sheesh!

Yet when Numix offers a 2-D girlie icon pack for Linux -- somehow the world doesn't end. Somehow that's entirely different. Yeah right. (I'm currently using Numix over Freya with an inspired desktop background and I must say it's very easy on the eyes.)

Ever notice that when half of Linux users post their desktops on the web -- you get treated to a manga preteen who can barely manage to keep her boobs inside her skimpy outfits? I have. It's not a stereotype -- it's YouTube reality. And I've also noticed no cry of 'childish' looking operating systems at moments like these.

Explain.

Well the first statement is self explanatory, the second one raises two main concerns. First the current stable version is based on Ubuntu 12.04 which is outdated and the Freya version was announced almost a year ago and its still not released. Second, the visual aesthetics of Elementary are clearly a cheap knock off from OS X, the dock, the file manager and the general look and feel. If you dispute this you either heaven't seen OSX or you are in deep denial which is common within the OSS world.

12.04 is not outdated. It is in active development and will be until April 2017.

12.04 is what i use after many crashes and performance issues of any future distro. It just works.

Then don't use it

I don't have to use it to give an opinion about it. If you have a counter argument say it if not quit being a child about it.

I don't think OSX and Elementary OS look any more alike than Linux Mint and Mac OSX.

At best they share a strong agreement that design is important. This doesn't make Elementary OS a ripoff, If anything it exposes the lack of design focus within the desktop environment ecosystem.

Ubuntu 12.04 isn't outdated since it is getting all the security updates (and software updates for software that doesn't have much dependencies, most of the apps are backported anyways.

Google images show outdated version of Elementary based on Ubuntu 9.04 when you simplay write "elementary" in the google (thing that most of the people do) . Type elementaryOS Luna or elementaryOS Freya in the google
or simply just try live ISO.

Ubuntu has an interface that gives shame.

You don't have to use Unity shell. You don't even have to use Gnome. I don't even use a DE and use Open box. With Linux you have choice unlike other OSes. So if you think the 'interface gives shame' then change it and quit your whinging.

Maybe only colourful Ubuntu 12.04, but not Ubuntu 14.04. I personally like it with Numix window theme.

Doesn't have to be the latest major. If the difference between the version in the repository and the latest stable are small. Time and effort are spent attending packages with issues. You clearly don't understand what LTS means.

Unity 2D may be desired. If the newer LTS can be used then it should be used as the support of Precise ends soon (as you rightly say). Other use cases are lazy coders who won't port code to newer libs, this is fine if the project is short term.

It's a lot more than that

The packages are also more stringently tested to have fewer issues. Packages are also rarely updated unless there is a significant reason to make an alteration if the current package has no problems. LTS is about being rock solid rather than chasing the latest releases. Again, you don't know what LTS means.

You can download new versions of Skype, LibreOffice, Chrome, Firefox, most IDEs, so it is fine for me and for the people that use elementaryOS.

As much as I like plank and will be the first to tell people to "get over it" when it comes down to other platforms utilizing a dock-like window manager, I facepalmed pretty hard when I drug an icon off of the plank dock only to find its animation to be wildly similar to that action in OSX. The animation is nearly identical. I would have appreciated to see a different animation, but this is too close to ignore.

I'm all for variety, but what makes this so bad? I think the little poof is a good representation of what happens -- the app is not deleted, nor is it moved; rather, the app simply vanished from that location. Magic, right? :)

Oh no, they have same animation. Why do you really care about those things who took "animation" from whom. elementary team did that thing for free, the thing for what usually apple charges ( you pay price of the OS when you buy their device ).

I think that that animation was there long before Apple used it in their product.
I would say that they have copied Conky instead. Watch this video from 2009:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

The red fire particles animation when closing a window gave me eye cancer. Now I have to find a dead guy with perfectly intact retinas for transplant. Thanks a lot.

Edit: Oh god I made it through the choppy 3D Cube effects. Oh for the love of god.
Compiz is the Adobe Flash of the desktop world. Bloated, clunky, kitschy, cheesy, oh god I puked in my mouth.

AFAIK, eOS team isn't the group to develop plank, see https://launchpad.net/plank.

It might be, that it's them who chose this particular animation, though.

Still, I get what you mean by saying that their desing is close to the (older, pre-Yosemite) OS X (vide enclosed picture). Doesn't mean it's a bad thing, though, eOS looks much better than other Linux DEs. :)

I have not been able to boot elementary or opensuse ,they don't boot right .
but i am interested and i wish the best for them.
I visit their site every once in a while .

Which usb live creator are you using (if you are using any)?

unetbootin and ubuntu's startup dc