Gee, no mention of the facts that Israel gets all of their weapons of mass Palestine destruction from the US for FREE, and they get hundreds of billions of dollars from the US, also for FREE.

Because of that, the US OWNS Israel and their puppet government. They are hired attack dogs who do the dirty deeds that the US Government wants done, but does not want the US to be criticized for.

Also, it wasn't the Israeli lobbyists who got Obama to back down, it was the infinitely more powerful global corporate elite oligarchy, who own the Democratic-Republican DUHopoly Party, Inc.

That is bull**** on a range of points. It's true that 75% of US foreign aid goes to the Mideast (that's where most of "our" oil is), and that the largest share goes to our ally, Israel (the second largest chunk to Egypt). Unlike Israel, the Arab nations receive massive aid aided by China, Russia, etc.

Take out a map of the Mideast. See Israel? It's tiny, roughly the size of New Jersey. All those countries surrounding it are Arab nations. "Palestinians" are Arabs who live in Israel, who are often recruited to work as terrorists against Israeli Jews, with the goal of establishing a "pure" Moslem Mideast. No "Palestinian" is suffering under oppression, all are within easy traveling distance of an Arab border if they are unhappy in Israel.

Now draw in the ONLY 400 nuclear weapons and delivery systems in the region...

Where are they?

And I know you're unhappy in USAmerica so why don't YOU go to Costa Rica?

Ifamericansknew.com

What happened DH? Did Helen provide quotes that are incorrect?

Helen, you do extraordinarily good work, and I must say that you have more patience with these Israel Uber Alles commentators than I do. Talk about casting pearls before swine.

Truth. Madame Jihad made a funny. Oh and Sand is considered to be a laughingstock in the academic world because his work is so shoddy. Anyone in academia knows it but of course, you need tor rely on an idiot like him because he facts don't support your lies.

Madame Jihad loves her fake quotes.

The most advanced weapons even some American units don't have with kickbacks to Zionists in the defense contracting business. A racket.

"A continuous war mentality tends to erode democratic structures and values even under the best of circumstances."

Kind of applies to the U.S. too.

"The Israeli government has recently suggested that a 'normalization' process is underway with the Palestinians,but in reality Israel's construction of illegal settlements continues unabated . . . ."

Often we see Israeli oppression of Palestinians compared to the atrocities Nazi Germany perpetrated on Jews (and many, many others.) It might be constructive, however, to remember one of the problems the West had in dealing with the Soviet Union: namely the divergent interpretation of "status quo." To Lenin and Stalin, status quo was a dynamic situation, understood by them to mean the continued advancement of their cause, including territorial acquisition.

The same, we might as well acknowledge, is Israel's reading of the term -- the continued expansion of the Jewish state. That will not stop until Israel is made to pay a very heavy price, possibly even a catastrophic one. Which brings to mind another phrase from out of the past: "has within itself the seeds of its own destruction."

Now, please don't mistake me for the Rapture crowd. They look forward to Armageddon. I most certainly do not.

You left out the fact that the US imperialist, hegemonic continued advancement of their Manifest Destiny cause, is far worse than the causes of the former USSR and Nazi Germany combined.

"....far worse than the causes of the former USSR and Nazi Germany combined." You clearly know very little about either regime.

The US is no bigger now that it was 40 years ago.

So what, hasbara?

How could we even tell if Israel is expanding when there is no official border?

Did you know that since the late1960s, Israel actually ceded over 1/3 of the country in various "peace agreements," only to have those agreements promptly violated by neighboring Arab nations? Israel is a very tiny country, and there simply isn't any more land to cede. Israel hasn't been expanding. They DID return settlements to land that had previously been ceded, and since the Arab nations refused to keep the terms of those peace agreements, the Israels simply returned people to that land.

Tell me where your property is. I will be happy to steal all of it and cheerfully return a third of it to you. i won't even persecute you while doing so.

Great response! How these land thieves do not consider themselves to be thieves but only White European Returnees?

{ Israel is a very tiny country}

Tell me in your own words how the foreign European Ashkenazi who stole Palestine are entitled to even a square inch of Palestine?

Letter from President Nasser to President Kennedy 1961

"He who does not own has made a promise to he who does not deserve. Then both he "who does not own" and "he who does not deserve" were able, through force and deceit, to usurp the right of the legitimate owner and take away from him what he owned and deserved. This is the true picture of the Balfour declaration: Britain's pledge, promising in a land she does not own, but is owned by the Arab people of Palestine - a Jewish home in Palestine. On the individual basis, Mr. President, not to speak of the international basis, the picture as such shows a clear case of larceny in which any ordinary court can convict those responsible."

{the Israels simply returned people to that land.}

When was the last time you looked in the mirror?
Do you not feel that you stick out vividly as Europeans, as aliens on that piece of land inhabited by by people of color? You also know that in Germany, you are indistinguishable from other Europeans?
Yes or no?

Do you realize that from 1948 to 1967 the fascist government of Israel GRABBED 100% of Palestine and some of Jordan and Syria?

And have ILLEGALLY occupied it since?

Where the f*ck were you when that land grab was going on?

Israel has been building houses, but it hasn't been annexing territory.

Au contraire. Israel has annexed occupied East Jerusalem, including its illegally extended borders, as well as Syria's occupied Golan Heights.

However,
Israel's 1980 annexation of East Jerusalem was rejected by the UN Security Council in Resolution 476 (June 30, 1980): "all legislative and administrative measures and actions taken by Israel, the OCCUPYING [my emphasis] Power, which purport to alter the character and status of the Holy City of Jerusalem have no legal validity and constitute a flagrant violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention".

On 17 December 1981, the UNSC unanimously passed Resolution 497, which declared Israel’s 14 December 1981 annexation of Syria’s Golan Heights “null and void.”

Furthermore, regarding building "houses," i.e., settlements, for Jews:

Security Council Resolution 446 (22 March 1979) “[Affirms] once more that the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War of 12 August 1949 is applicable to the Arab territories OCCUPIED [my emphasis] by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem,

“1. Determines that the policy and practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the Palestinian and other Arab territories OCCUPIED [my emphasis] since 1967 have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East;.."

Security Council Resolution 465 (1 March 1980) "determines that all measures taken by Israel to change the physical character, demographic composition, institutional structure or status of the Palestinian and other Arab territories OCCUPIED [my emphasis] since 1967, including Jerusalem, or any part thereof, have no legal validity..."

In accordance with the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention, ratified by Israel, and further underscoring the illegality of the settlements, Part 2, Article 8, section B, paragraph viii of the Rome Statute of the International Court (1998) defines "the transfer directly or indirectly by the Occupying power of parts of its own civilian population into the territory it OCCUPIES [my emphasis]" as a War Crime, indictable by the International Criminal Court.

On 24 February 2004, the U.S. State Department reaffirmed its earlier position in a report entitled Israel and the OCCUPIED [my emphasis] Territories, Country Reports on Human Rights Practices: "Israel OCCUPIED [my emphasis] the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, East Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights after the 1967 War.... The international community does not recognize Israel's sovereignty over any part of the OCCUPIED [my emphasis] territories."

BTW, during the summer of 1967, "[t]he legal counsel of the Foreign Ministry, Theodor Meron, was asked [by then Israeli Prime Minister Levi Eshkol] whether international law allowed settlement in the newly conquered land. In a memo marked 'Top Secret,' Meron wrote unequivocally: 'My conclusion is that civilian settlement in the administered territories contravenes the explicit provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention.'” (New York Times, 10 March 2006)

In March 1994, U.S. Ambassador to the UN Madeleine Albright stated: "We simply do not support the description of the territories occupied by Israel in the 1967 War as occupied Palestinian territory."
Describing the West Bank and Gaza Strip as "occupied Palestinian territories" is incorrect and misleading. Israel's transfer of government functions under the Oslo Agreements greatly strengthens Israel's case that the main international conventions relevant to military occupations do not apply. Describing these territories as "Palestinian" may serve the Palestinians' political agenda but prejudges the outcome of future territorial negotiations that were envisioned under UN Security Council Resolution 242. It also serves the current Palestinian effort to obtain international affirmation of Palestinian claims and a total denial of Israel's fundamental rights in every international forum. It would be far more accurate to describe the West Bank and Gaza Strip as "disputed territories" to which both Israelis and Palestinians have claims. Additionally, UN resolutions that characterize these territories as "Palestinian" clearly undermine the foundations of the peace process for the future.

Sigh

If Madeline Albright did in fact say what you quote (I will not bother to check), she was blowing smoke.

Secretary of State, John Kerry: "The US views all of the settlements as illegitimate." (13 August 2013, Reuters Video)
(http://uk.reuters.com/video...

British Foreign Secretary William Hague regarding Jewish settlements in the West Bank (5 April 2011): "This is not disputed territory. It is OCCUPIED [my emphasis] Palestinian territory and ongoing settlement expansion is illegal under international law..."

Reality: Israel has continued through various means to confiscate at an accelerating rate Palestinian land and water resources in the West Bank (including within the illegally extended borders of illegally annexed East Jerusalem/the Old City, now taking up nearly 40% of the West Bank, i.e. along with West Jerusalem known as "Metropolitan Jerusalem") in violation not only of the 1993 Oslo accords (i.e., Article XXIII - Final Clauses. Paragraph 6 of Article XXIII calling for preservation of the "integrity" of the West Bank and Gaza and paragraph 7, which declares that "their status shall not be changed for the period of this Agreement") as well as the U.S. sponsored Mitchell Plan (30 April 2001) calling for Israel to "freeze all settlement activity, including the 'natural growth' of existing settlements" and the U.S. supported "road map" to peace (June 2003) calling for Israel to "immediately dismantle settlement outposts erected since March 2001" and "consistent with the Mitchell Report," to "freeze all settlement activity (including natural growth of settlements.)"

For your further edification, I recommend you watch this video regarding Netanyahu and the Oslo Accords:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...
Enough said. I have neither the time nor the inclination to continue this exchange. I recommend you do some serious research and discard your Hasbara manual.
No need to send a response. I will dump it without reading.
Bye, bye

Here is the transcript:

Netanyahu Brags About How Easy To Manipulate The US

Background: Netanyahu is visiting the home of a woman who just lost her husband, and she is being comforted by five other widows. There’s a young boy present, and Netanyahu asks that they turn off the camera so he can speak to them “freely”. The camera gets turned on again in mid-conversation.

Netanyahu: Are you starting to understand what the slogan “Judea and Samaria are right here”? What does Arafat want? He wants one big settlement. It’s called “Tel Aviv”.

Woman: Yes, that’s what my daughter in law, who comes from England, that's what she says: “Tel Aviv is a settlement too.”

Netanyahu: As far as they’re concerned, I think, our territorial waters are also their?
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Netanyahu: The fact is that they want us in the sea, yes, but over there in the sea [points aside]. The Arabs are currently focusing a war of terror and they think it will break us. The main thing, first of all, is to hit them. Not just one hit, so many painful its that the price will be to heavy to be borne. The price is not too heavy to be borne, now. A broad attack on the Palestinian Authority. To bring them to the point of being afraid that everything is collapsing.

Woman: They’re not afraid, they’re making fun of us. They shoot into our settlement and make fun of us.

Netanyahu: Fear that everything is collapsing. That’s what leads them to… [makes a hand motion]

Woman: wait a moment, but then the world will say “how come you’re conquering again?”

Netanyahu:the world won’t say a thing. The world will say we’re defending.

Woman: Aren’t you afraid of the world, Bibi?

Netanyahu:Especially today, with America. I know what America is. America is something that can easily be moved. Moved to the right correction.

Child: They say they’re for us, but, it’s like…

Netanyahu: They won’t get in our way. They won’t get in our way.

Child: On the other hand, if we do some something, then they…

Netanyahu: So let’s say they say something. So they said it! They said it! 80% of the Americans support us. It’s absurd. We have that kind of support and we say “what will we do with the…” look. That administration was extremely pro-Palestinian. I wasn’t afraid to maneuver there. I was not afraid to clash with Clinton. I was not afraid to clash with the United Nations. I was paying the price anyway, I preferred to receive the value. Value for the price.

Child: But never mind that we gave them things, and we can’t take them back. Because they won’t give them back to us.

Netanyahu: (holds his and to stop him from speaking): first of all, first of all, Oslo is a system – you’re right. A, I don’t know what can be taken and can’t be taken.

Woman: he has political opinions, believe me.

Netanyahu: He’s right.

Woman: He said such things to Arik Sharonthat. I told him: that’s not – that’ not a child’s opinion. The Oslo Accords are a disaster.

Netanyahu: Yes. You know that and I knew that.

Woman: Fine, so I thought that…

Netanyahu: The people [nation] has to know.

Woman: Right. But I thought that the prime minister did know, and that he’d do everything so that, somehow, not to do critical things, like handing over Hebron, that…

Netanyahu: What were the Oslo Accords? The Oslo Accords, which the Knesset signed, I was asked, before the elections: “Will you act according to them?” and I answered: “yes, subject to mutuality and limiting the retreats.” “But how do you intend to limit the retreats?” “I’ll give such interpretation to the Accords that will make it possible for me to stop this galloping to the ’67 [armistice] lines. How did we do it?

((Note: The Oslo Accords stated at the time that Israel would gradually hand over territories to the Palestinians in three different pulses, unless the territories in question had settlements or military sites. This is where Netanyahu found a loophole.))

Netanyahu: No one said what defined military sites. Defined military sites, I said, were security zones. As far as I’m concerned, the Jordan Valley is a defined military site.

Woman: Right [laughs]. The Beit She’an settlements. The Beit She’an Valley.

Netanyahu: How can you tell. How can you tell? But then the question came up of just who would define what ,U.Defined Military Sites were. I received a letter – to me and to Arafat, at the same time – which said that Israel, and only Israel, would be the one to define what those are, the location of those military sites and their size. Now, they did not want to give me that letter, so I did not give the Hebron Agreement. I stopped the government meeting, I said: “I’m not signing.” Only when the letter came, in the course of the meeting, to me and to Arafat, only then did I sign the Hebron Agreement. Or rather, ratify it, it had already been signed. Why does this matter? Because at that moment, I actually stopped the Oslo Accord.

Woman: And despite that, one of our own peope, excuse me, who knew it was a swindle, and that we were going to commit suicide with the Oslo Accord, gives them – for example – Hebron. I never understood that.

Netanyahu: Indeed, Hebron hurts. It hurts. It’s the thing that hurts. One of the famous rabbis, whom I very much respect, a rabbi of Eretz Yisrael, he said to me: “What would your father say?” I went to my father. Do you know a little about my father’s position?

Woman: Yes.

Netanyahu: My father is…

Child: No. [laughs]

Woman: He’ll read in a little while.

Netanyahu: He’s not exactly a lily-white dove, as they say. So my father heard the question and said: “Tell the rabbi that your grandfather, Rabbi Natan Milikowski, was a smart Jew. Tell him it would be better to give two percent than to give a hundred percent. And that’s the choice here. You gave two percent and in that way you stopped the withdrawal. Instead of a hundred percent.” The trick is not to be there and break down. The trick is to be there and pay a minimal price.

Woman: Can you say that as prime minister.

Netanyahu: In my estimate that will happen.

Doesn't matter what she says when what she says is just her opinion with no legal validity. Remember she is the one who said "It was worth it" when told of the 500,000 children killed in Iraq. She is disgusting and immoral.

Gee, is that the same Albright who told us that 500,000 dead Iraqi children was "worth it"?

According to UN Resolution 181 (partition), after 10 years, there was to be a referendum in Jerusalem. Because the majority were Jews, Jerusalem would have become part of Israel.
Therefore, it makes no sense to consider any part of Jerusalem as occupied territory.

Patent nonsense. According to UNGA Res. 181 (recommendatory only, in violation of the League of Nations British Class A Mandate and the Atlantic Charter, never ratified by the UNSC, and grossly unfair to the indigenous Palestinian Arabs), Jerusalem, Bethlehem and environs were to be placed under international supervision, i.e., a corpus separatum.
I also remind you that in 1947 Jews owned less than one per cent of the land comprising East Jerusalem, the Old City.

From the start, Israel killed and drove off the native people, and continues to steal more their land through phony legalities and outright theft.

Yeah, right...goddamn you hasbara are dense...

Yes, it has, and at a greater and greater rates. If no one has the guts to stop them, I suppose it will eventually wind up in the International Criminal Court. There Israel's war crimes will be exposed. It's a mystery to me how paralyzed the US is by Israel. Makes no sense, except the Israelis are masters at playing the victim/Holocaust card for ever and ever.

Israel is exactly the same size that it was 40 years ago.

This would suggest otherwise given the fact that they are slyly cutting Palestine off from its agricultural areas, bulldozing homes and have cut down more than 11,000 olive trees which provided one of their main income sources: "Since the war of 1967, Palestinians have come to accept the reality of Israel within the 1948 boundaries. The land dispute has increasingly focused on Israel's occupation of the remaining territories -- the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem. UN Resolutions 242 and 338 stipulate that Israel must withdraw completely from these territories. Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip on 12 September 2005, but continues to build many Jewish settlements in the other territories, actions deemed illegal by virtually all other states. The Oslo Accords (1993) and the Road Map (2003) have failed to reach a land agreement between the parties or to bring Israeli withdrawal.
Since 2002, the Israeli government has been building a "security fence" that winds deep into Palestinian territory, claiming the barrier would keep Palestinian suicide bombers from striking Israeli citizens. But this separation wall is a major de facto annexation of Palestinian territories. By building the wall and increasing settlement expansion, Israel retains control over important Palestinian economic areas, agricultural grounds and natural resources like water. The International Court of Justice has ruled that Israel's West Bank barrier violates international law, but the unequal struggle over the land of Palestine continues."

UN Resolution 242 does NOT say that Israel must withdraw completely.

How convenient of you to ignore the Preamble of Resolution 242, based on the UN Charter (binding on all UN members), which governs all that follows: "Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war...

Nor do you comprehend the meaning of the phrase in Paragraph I of Resolution 242 calling for "Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;"
To wit:
As Israel's Foreign Minister Abba Eban revealed at the time, he understood full well that Resolution 242 calls for Israel’s complete withdrawal: “The words ‘in the recent conflict’ convert the principle of eliminating occupation into a mathematically precise formula for restoring the June 4 Map.” BTW, during negotiations to determine Resolution 242’s wording, Abba Eban failed in an attempt to delete the phrase “in the recent conflict.”
(Comment by Foreign Minister of Israel and Telegram 3164, UK Mission in New York to Foreign Office, 12 Nov 1967. FO961/24)

Moshe Dayan also understood that Resolution 242 calls for full withdrawal and urged the government to reject it. In June 1968, during a closed session of the Labor Party, he counseled against endorsing Resolution 242 as "it means withdrawal to the 4 June [1967] boundaries, and because we are in conflict with the SC [Security Council] on that resolution."
(Daniel Dishon (ed.), Middle East Record, v. 4, 1968 (Jerusalem: 1973), p. 247

Enough said. Get to the history books and do some real research. I repeat, throw away your Hasbara manual.

Bye, bye.

I blocked him a long time ago and immediately felt relief that I do not have to read his hasbara.

Except for all the land they stole from the Palestinians, who they had to slaughter first to get it.

We give Israel $8 million per day, but we let our own children and the Palestinian children starve and go without medical aid. 2 in 5 American children live in poverty. 1 in 5 Israeli children live in poverty. 83.9% of Palestinian children live in poverty.

Soon to be increased to $10 million per day.

If we stopped giving money to Israel, the Republicans would use that money for tax breaks for the rich.
The whole world benefits from Israel’s advances in science, medicine & technology, but we Americans also benefit from our access to intelligence from MOSSAD which is considered one of the world’s best intelligence agencies & from being able to pre-position military supplies in Israel in case we want to intervene in the Middle East & from Israeli expertise in developing weapons systems. We gave F-15's to Israel & Israel improved them, 700 modifications. Thanks to Israel, we now have better warplanes. Also, Israel is a laboratory & the Israelis are guinea pigs in learning how a democratic society can deal with terrorism. Israel is on the front line battling terrorism. The terrorists say “First the Saturday people (Jews) then the Sunday people (Christians.) Israel is the barrier island protecting the West.

You must also approve of Nazi Germany's vast improvements in science, medicine and technology.

Governments have the right of eminent domain.
Eminent domain is not considered theft.
Evidence that any Palestinians were slaughtered in Israel's exercise of eminent domain?

Eminent domain to you means theft is fine if you can get away with it. Today Israel, tomorrow the world!

It's not land theft. It's a land dispute. The settlers believe they are exercising their right of return. They are just taking back their own land that was stolen from them during the Arab conquest of the Middle East in the seventh century. The settlers believe that the Jews have a deed to the land. There's a Torah that's over a thousand years old. You don't have to believe in God, but this ancient document lists the names of the owners of the land (the 12 sons of Jacob [aka Israel]) & the boundaries of the land. In other words, it's a deed to the land naming the children of Israel as the owners. If you dig in Palestine, you will find ancient synagogues & Jewish ritual baths & Jewish coins. Settlers see this as further proof that it's their land.
Palestinians say that it's Palestinian land because Palestinians have lived there for centuries.

Pure, unadulterated nonsense utterly unworthy of further comment.