OK everyone, closing this thread down - after almost 3 weeks and over 13,000 comments I'd say this has pretty much run its course. The ongoing moderation has become a bit of a nuisance, seeing as the only discussion still going off is pretty far off the tracks at this point. Thank you to everyone for participating in the discussion, and the comments here will remain viewable.

Something is troubling me about this article, and it's an issue I have not seen raised. The author writes that the eBay listing of the Micronta 63-765 was up at the time of his writing of the article. If by up, he means for sale, why did he not buy it, and use the actual clock rather than eBay photos? That clock was offered on a buy it now listing for 29.95. The author could have purchased it right then, and confirmed his theory with the actual item. In the day after, two other identical clocks were sold that the author could have purchased. I do not buy Ahmed's narrative, but I think it's incumbent on the author to prove his theory. This occurred to me as I myself bid on eBay for this model. Why am I bidding I ask myself--- This is the author's theory to prove, and he should do so. Relying on eBay photos when you have the best evidence available to you is troubling to me. The more I think about it, the more it bothers me. While the author's theory may be correct, I am amazed that this issue has not been raised. Of course, maybe in the 13,000 prior comments it has. While I have been on board with the theory of the guts in a box, and Ive railed against Ahmed as a provocateur, and tend to think of it still in those terms, after all my criticism of other lack of investigatory steps by others, this one appears glaring, and I would be a hypocrite to let it slide.

"Mohamed [the father] was once in the national news for trying to convince a pastor who burned a Quran that true Islam is peaceful."

How do you convince anyone that "true Islam is peaceful"? The Quran is nothing but a warrior's code, written by a warlord and his gang of cutthroats who raided and plundered caravans for a living, and who within his lifetime conquered all of the Arabian Peninsula.

Within a decade of Muhammad's death Muslims conquered Mesopotamia, Byzantine Syria, Byzantine Egypt, large parts of Persia, and established the Rashidun Caliphate. On it went from there all through history - a story of rape and pillage and plunder that continues to this very day on various parts of our planet.

Sure, Islam is peaceful - for its perpetrators, once they have killed off or enslaved the dissenters, but it would be disingenuous to make such a statement as "true Islam is peaceful".

http://lamecherry.blogspot....

I have read the evidence that there is no independent historical collaboration that Muhammad ever existed, and have watched a good documentary on the subject. It really makes you think. However, the story of Muhammad and his band of merry men has had as powerful an influence as it would have had if it was real, unfortunately for the victims of Islam.

I missed this one, but Dallas Morning News (who originally broke the story) threw some FUD on the matter here:

http://www.dallasnews.com/n...

"Most of these theories cite no evidence, many contradict each other and some clash with known facts — like a statement from Irving City Hall that the MacArthur High freshman never intended to frighten anyone with his circuit-stuffed pencil case."

Contradict each other? When several witnesses have different versions of the same event, then conflict in their stories can cast doubt on their witness. Analysis based on the same evidence, however, isn't affected by other people's offerings.
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"Fraudulent clock theory

The same Facebook post claimed that Ahmed didn’t really make a clock, but merely reassembled the components of a store-bought clock inside a case. Other posts and YouTube videos have advanced this theory.

Ahmed’s clock is still in police custody, according to the family. But last week the boy told The News that he spent just 20 minutes soldering a digital display to a circuit board and power supply, which he put inside a pencil case. His description matched a photo of the clock that police later released."

Except, of course, there's no indication that he soldered anything. The photo still doesn't back up his story.

The Dallas Morning news is a globalist propaganda rag. They deleted links to my little summary of Ahmed and his so-called clock from the comment section to one of their "We Love Ahmed" puff pieces.

And by the way, another blatant lie from Mohamed El Hassan Mohamed.

"The teen has never been in trouble, the father said, saying he thinks this is a case of Islamophobia."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/...

"Last week the boy told The News that he spent just 20 minutes soldering a digital display to a circuit board and power supply, which he put inside a pencil case. His description matched a photo of the clock that police later released."

The digital display is obviously connected to the circuit board by a ribbon cable. It is also obviously the manufacturer's original part, since it matches up perfectly with the solder pads on the circuit board and the display. If you had to solder even just one end of the ribbon cable, it could be a bit tricky even for a professional. Soldering those 30 joints would take the whole 20 minutes allotted for the entire project. Not only that but it appears that ribbon cable was attached to the PC board by a wave soldering machine, something only found on the production line. Those solder joints are perfectly uniform and there is no evidence of resoldering whatsoever.

Ahmed wants to imply perhaps that he found a circuit board somewhere and attached a digital display from somewhere else and thereby assembled the clock from parts lying around his house. Only that doesn't hold water. We would have to imagine he had two of these exact same digital clocks, because you couldn't so simply match up the digital displays from different clocks.

Even if he did have two of these clocks, it would take a considerable amount of time to transfer the display from one clock to the other. Desoldering the display would make a good mess of the ribbon cable, since you cannot desolder all the joints at once. You would have to rip each little wire from the ribbon cable a bit to separate it from the heated joint, because as you can see, there is no room to maneuver., A look at the image, however, shows the ribbon cable unperturbed in such a manner.

Back when I did electronic repairs for a living, it would at least have taken an hour or two (and I wouldn't even have attempt it because it would not be worth the cost of a replacement clock.) In the end, there would be no way to hide the fact that the display had been resoldered to the board, in spite of my enormous experience with soldering. However you look at it, Ahmed's nose just keeps on growing longer. There is no way "his description matched a photo of the clock".

Well, you are talking about a kid that can solder CPUs. I'm sure a ribbon cable would be a cake walk against skilz like that.

Ahmed: in middle school, they called me bomb maker.
Ahmed: in order to make it look less suspicious and less of a threat, I used a cable to latch the case.
Ahmed: the first teacher I showed it to said it looked like a bomb and told me not to show it again to anyone.
Ahmed: after that, during class, I plugged it in and set off the alarm.

Mr. President, do we really need more kids like Ahmed?

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Does anyone edit Wikipedia? They have an article, but the reaction area doesn't include anything about the commercial origin of the clock.

It's so frustrating that the media no longer tells the truth. People do not realize they are being brainwashed because they still think the media must have integrity. Honesty is not valued, only their agenda. So sad.

Hypothetically, what could Ahmed have put together from scrap in 10 or 20 minutes? Let's say some electronics guru is given a clock display, and then the rest of the the clock minus its display (but including the ribbon that will be attached to the display). Could s/he attach the display to the ribbon in 20 minutes? Will it work correctly even if the display is not from the same clock as the rest of the guts? Same question regarding the button board. The only other thing I can think of that Ahmed may claim he "put together" is attaching the transformer to the rest of the clock. I'm assuming that could be done easily in 20 minutes but certainly not something he would think anyone would be impressed with. But is there any reason why he would do this? There was already a battery backup. Is there an easy way to rig the battery backup to power the rest of the clock, even if he had to unattatch it from where it was? Perhaps a 9v battery wouldn't be powerful enough though. But what about just attaching a battery pack with enough juice to power it? That seems it would be at least as easy if not easier (not to mention safer) than attaching a transformer. Then he also wouldn't have a power cord to plug in. Also, even in my house without any electronics tinkerers, we have dozens of old enclosed ac transformers we don't even know what they go to anymore. Couldn't he have used one of those too?

Yes, he could have... in fact, that would have made it much less of a shock hazard.

Hang on to those "wall wart" transformers, at least for the next tinkerer you meet. You never know when they'll come in handy.

Perhaps someday someone will ask Ahmed to elaborate on what he means when he says that he built his clock from parts. Pretty simple question to ask him, yet no one ever does. He mumbles incoherently when asked about his other projects. I think we can all agree that he could not assemble a working device from separate parts in 20 minutes. Unfortunately I do not think this will ever happen. I am sure that his handlers vet any questions that he is asked at this point. There is too much to lose for too many. In two weeks, he will be at the White House. Will the President greet him and view his clock?. Not a chance. I also have to believe the Irving police dept have forensically examined every inch of that device which would be prudent in light of Ahmed's threat to sue the dept.

From what I understand, small electronics devices like this digital clock almost always use DC current. I looked at the manual for this clock and it doesn't say. Does anyone know for sure? If it does run on DC, then this particular transformer not only steps down the power, but also converts it from AC to DC? Its that right? Here's a cute video of a girl converting a device that originally plugged into the wall to run on batteries. https://www.youtube.com/wat... So simple and safe. Obviously the legos are not necessary. Ahmed could have just connected the batteries in series and they would have even fit inside the box.

CAUTION: Do NOT plug in an extension of the house electricity to wires meant for lower power DC (or even step down AC) voltage (what comes out of the plug-in as a big POP and potential fire and lethal shock hazard exists. It is not too far from putting a fork into the wall outlet)

The video you posted shows the OUTPUT of an AC to DC converter : AC (wall electrical outlet ) to DC (battery power level input) converter (the plug-in)

Converts house electricity to whatever the output voltage (usually DC or battery compatible voltage). This oversimplification could turn HAZARDOUS very easily.

The use of a light bulb gives the kid in the video a lot of leeway since the DC voltage could light up most bulbs BUT that does NOT mean the wires are interchangeable for other converters or worse AC transformers.)

The small print text on the plug-in transformer is very important.

CAUTION: BARE WIRES...Do NOT plug in an extension of the house electricity to wires meant for lower power DC (or even step down AC) voltage (what comes out of the plug-in as a big POP and potential fire and lethal shock hazard exists. It is not too far from putting a fork into the wall outlet)

some where on the circuit board there would most likely be a bridge rectifier done with 4 diodes. I don't remember the math but you would then take the swing out of the voltage by adding a capacitor to the board. Unless technology had changed since I was a child. But yea this kid gutted a clock and suck it in a case. If this were done on a bread board I would have been impressed as the kid is further alomg then I was at that age but considering that a lot of us used to tear apart old VHS systems clocks radios and put them back together to the point that the where still functioning I find it inflated for him to talk about his inventions. I was hoping he was using an arduino board or something to handle the mod 12 hour arithmatic. (I'm a software developer so I usually run to an ALU to solve problems rather then chaining logic circuits.) I would have been impressed if he was using NANDS and NOR gates to do this. But then I saw he wasn't even using a bread board and that all he really did was resolder the transformer onto a gutted out premade clock. But why does he still call it an invetion?

Personally, I don't think he soldered anything. It's probably one of the reasons the family hasn't been so quick to pick up the thing from the police station. People will want to examine it. But I don't think the one photo we have of his device is high resolution enough to tell for sure. I'm trying to find out what anyone COULD have done in 10 or 20 minutes. Could he have attached the LED display to the ribbon in 20 minutes? And if so, would it work if it was meant for a different device? Could he have attached the transformer in 20 minutes? If so, would a real electronics hobbiest have found it just as easy, quick and simple and a lot safer to use batteries or wall wart? And if so, what I would really like is for someone who knows how to do these things to post a quick video showing how to remove the transformer from such a clock and make it run on batteries or a wall wart.

With all the tragedies at schools these days I think he should be prosecuted for this. I will be so glad when we get rid of P.C. king obama.

Thought it worth moving to top of the list because it is latest facts on subject of article: Ahmed's interview of 9/30: http://m.kiss925.com/2015/0...

That was very interesting - thanks. At first I thought it was going to be a total pass for Muhammad, but to his credit, the interviewer asked him the obvious questions - and Muhammad made the obvious lies in response. Beyond the fact that Ahmed sticks to the story that he assembled the clock from separate parts, he maintains the fiction that the school thought is was a bomb. In fact, it was made clear by the school and police from day one they thought it was a hoax bomb. I suppose that word - hoax - is not in Muhammad's vocabulary, that's all.

While you were picking on a 14 year old, the world has gotten much scarier. Have you been watching what is happening in Syria? Any of you going to join the military to defend us against a hot war?

Hey, Bill!

Ready to prove your previously stated credentials? Or, at least stop trying to derail this subject, and bury it in the same old shit you've been spewing?

You claim to be an Army electronics trainer. Can we, at least, see a bit of what you're "teaching"? Or, do you steal Valor as well as claim skills you refuse to demonstrate... while demeaning those of all your "opponents"?

Still ready to go for the "solder off".

I have already been in the Military and was willing to defend this country, Still am...

That being said, YOU did not read the article...

edited to remove unnecessary (snark)

Are you certain it was unnecessary?

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@Bill S This discussion is just one of many in our attempt to salvage the well deserved reputation of America the Beautiful.

It is our attempt at patriotism, in my opinion.

The fact you still think we are "picking on a 14 year old" suffices to illustrate your inability to comprehend that fraudulent behavior should be exposed.

What is REALLY worth noticing is the lack of the main stream media to expose the fraud.

That is the scary thing which influences so many low information people.

If you think we will go to war because of Russian acts in Syria, you will believe anything, even Ahmed's story of persecution

considering the relentless and reckless "poke the bear" regime change policies of our rogue administration have given Putin every excuse to consolidate his power in foreign strongholds and gain a major worldwide propaganda coup, considering the "good cop/bad cop" routine that plays out between the hawkish Democrats and the Rinos who are both beholden to the Military Industrial Complex, and considering the long fuse on the M.E. powderkeg is already lit, I give a 50/50 chance of formal conventional war with Russia in the next 3 years somewhere in the Middle East, likely the Levant.

Putin Has His Own No-Fly Zone in Syria

After years of debating a U.S.-led no-fly zone inside Syria to
protect rebels and civilians, Vladimir Putin has established his own
no-fly zone in a matter of days -- to protect his new base there.

http://www.bloombergview.co...

Certainly something to watch BUT today we have a Commander-in-Chief who will never command respect so the vacuum created by leading from the rear is the reality that will need to be address by our next president.

What scares me is how far in the tank the main stream media yet somehow about half the country is somehow still informed. The (current) Democratic party focuses on the Electoral College wins so in the short term that needs to be balanced. I have not been able to see how the (current) party leader's rhetoric will be checked so I try as I can in venues such as this.

I mean pay attention to the topics that seem to demand impromptu reaction from the President: politicize tragedy via gun control, false bigotry claims via his Twitter post on our topic at hand, etc., and alarmist climatology.

Did you see the video of Israel's PM and the 45 seconds of silence at the UN? Now that impacted me very powerfully.

[I edited and inserted (current) plus some words for grammar on Oct 4 to note my concern for today's Democratic party message. Despite their historical pandering that might be used in the future to attack my claim of independent voting, yet principle wise I am for the type of government our founding father's had in mind, a constrained federal government with state's to act as the incubators of broad governance such as crime prevention etc.]

And don't worry about poor Young Ahmed, he is in a big group hug with Qatar, CAIR, the Queen of Jordan, the Leader of Turkey, Mark Zuckerberg, Dr. Oz and President Obama. He is not concerned with us. I believe he is praying for us.

We're picking on the jokers who made this kid into a symbol of oppression.
How appropriate that it's all faked.

I will continue to defend against and expose buffoons like you who are attempting to soften up the country at home by supporting the fifth column trojan horse attacking good Americans from within. But I suggest you go ahead and lead the way and join one of the many gangs of roving Muslim thugs that our Muslim in Chief and his Secretary of Hate Hitlery Klinton has armed to the teeth and set against the Alawites in Syria. Enjoy the falafel and watch out for Putin's revenge.

Thomas Talbot, Principal Medical Expert, USC Institute for Creative Technologies, Talbot VR Consulting, previously with the Telemedicine & Advanced Technology Research Center of USC, the US Army Medical Corps, and the Irwin Army Community Hospital, who graduated from Wayne State University School of Medicine. He is an ARAB-American who on 9/18 created this youtube video that has received over 1 million views. 11,000 likes and 3300 dislikes, and generated 6200 comments.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

He has since followed up with 2 videos entitled "Ahmed clock fraud, why I made the video", and "Ahmed Mohamed Clock Fraud, what was the Agenda". All short and worth viewing.

Not an invention? Then how 'bout when Ahmed taped a bunch of batteries together and thereby invented a battery pack? Are you gonna tell me that wasn't an invention either? I mean - who would have ever thought of that? This kid is obviously a genius!

Have another couple shots of firewater Spock, yer on a roll today.

Ah, the mystery of the moniker unravels. Whatever mellows your edge without dulling it is just what Dr. Spock would order. Dark Chocolate or White? (I know, that was bad)

For your listening pleasure, here is Ahmed's latest interview. http://m.kiss925.com/2015/0...

It's just oh so annoying how many times the DJ says "the teachers thought it was a bomb". Although we already knew from Ahmed's own accounts that no one ever actually thought it was a bomb, the school recently issued a press release trying to clear that misconception, up. But nobody cares. It doesn't fit the narrative that the teachers are a bunch of ignorant hick islamaphobe who can't even tell the difference between a BOMB and a CLOCK!

Ahmed also asserts that he will sue the school for racial discrimination. I hope he does. That proceeding will lead to exposing everything. And Ahmed may not tamper with the "clock" because that would be spoliation of evidence, which would be detrimental to his case. Ahmed and his family will be subject to relentless questioning by the school district and the police attorneys,

Head's up...A lot of "what-if's" considering the cost for litigation to the city and the school district. Lawsuits are rarely taken to trial since it is a cost/benefit analysis that drives the decision in most cases.

The dream for us would definitely be a public trial and the imagination only smiles as to the nightmare the attorney for Ahmed will face assuming the case is defended by the city and the school. This is a big and very unlikely assumption considering the limited resources that school districts have.

Tai-don't worry too much about the district's resources, their defense will be funded entirely by an insurance company who will not want to pay a dime until they can determine if Ahmed's story will convince a jury of 12 Texans.