Men's issues groups would absolutely fit in universities, especially as off-shoots of feminist societies, but the universities in question have to enforce this, rather than leaving men in the awkward position of not being allowed in or out of them.

But the truth is, we would be better able to recognize men's needs in society if we didn't have MRAs poisoning the whole topic. "Hate group" wouldn't even come to mind without MRAs hiding misogyny behind their pretend concern for men's actual needs.

Yes men have a lot of issues and they are far from as one sided as it has been lead to believe. If you are studying relative fields then you will find that the often quoted studies like 1 in 5 college women study bases its results in very poor science. It is very flawed from defintions, methods, questions and even in conclusions themselves.

The actual situation is far from that and even further from being one sided as studies like that suggest it is. Yes, they are serious issues nevertheless but we should never exclude any victim of crime or other issues and men have a lot of issues of their own as well.

Whether it is being excluded from fatherhood due to the coutrooms ruling single mothers exclusively, whether it is reproductive rights or being significantly higher number of victims of crimes than few isolated cases. Far from it.

In a healthy and thriving society, all human beings matter and with that all issues of those humans matter no matter who they are. And in this, we can conclude that men deserve human rights too. Others can not hear what men do not say.

As a future therapist seeing so many troubled men in the clinic that I already work in, I am well aware of how things are for both men and women. And seeing how many issues men have makes me a supporter of this idea. We need mens groups which allow men to talk about their issues without interference or dismissal.

Feminists will allow men's societies as long as they are sanctioned and
moderated by women. Otherwise, feminists deem men's societies as
misogynist. That should tell you that any discussion of the toxic
effects of feminism will not be allowed, nor any other topic on the
unfair advantages women have over men. If men ARE allowed to discuss
male oppression, it would only be in the context of how patriarchy
negatively effects men. Does the word Nazi come to mind?

Adam…..I wish you the best in your endeavours. You strike me as a very well intended young man and I think you should carry that with you as you go about your affairs. Perhaps take a leaf from this womans' book and at all times strive to be as objective as you are possibly able. I've watched it many times as it really does put the current zeitgeist into perspective https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Wish you well sir.

Gee,I can't imagine why "MRAs and misogynists" spend so much time attacking feminism...

Adam Frost, 21 years old and wanting to distance himself from the MRA, misogynists, and groups that spend all their time attacking feminism. Now, he is brought down to the dirt and must make a declaration to support or walk away from feminism.
I know how you feel Adam, it is a difficult choice.

I've seen the self serving feminist double-think on display here so many times.

On the one hand they claim that men's issues are all covered by feminism, making any men's organisations and support groups completely unnecessary. On the other they claim that feminism is "team woman", that men should just "shut up and listen", and when men do raise problems like the suicide rate they're called "whiney man babies", told to "man up", and mocked with jokes about drinking male tears.

The reality is that feminists are desperate to maintain control of the narrative. The fact that feminists can prevent groups like this from even being recognised on campus shows which group is really the privileged one in universities. In many colleges feminism has become a religion that students are not allowed to challenge or criticise.

Even when men organise and support each other outside of universities feminists still do their best to disrupt their efforts. Tactics include using the feminist media platform to demonise them as misogynists, as well as harassing supporters and disrupting their meetings, as seen here: https://www.youtube.com/wat...

That's the movement that claims to simply be about gender equality...

"Even when men organise and support each other outside of universities feminists still do their best to disrupt their efforts."

The trouble here, is the word "men". At the risk of sounding like a feminist, "why is it all about men?"

If the purpose is to help men, that's fine. If the purpose is to simply go after feminism, that's even finer. But either way, these 2 functions must be parsed as distinct identities, and more, be perceived by the general public as such.

Signal differentiation.

"Men's rights" and "anti-feminism" need to distance themselves from each other, and transmit on different frequencies in the cultural waveband.

Signal differentiation.

The trouble is, it's feminism that tried to get mras declared terrorists and mra groups declared hatecrime. They turn up to any meetings, however innocuous, pulling firealarms and blowing horns to make sure no-one else but themselves may be heard.

Men's rights was an outgrowth of feminism in many ways - men copying what was seen as a good idea and applying it to themselves. It wasn't seen as antifeminist when i was at uni, more than two decades ago now.

Somewhere along the line feminism changed - and decided it was the One Truth, and debate was now heresy.

And the good feminists don't seem bothered by the nasty ones, by and large - the nasty ones are conducting the Gender Studies(TM) classes, and producing more and more in their own image.

There's a few dissenters - but they are declared anathema. I don't see Feminist groups like NOW giving them a voice - they see them as traitors.

I was once a feminist, but I saw problems with it's misandry even as a boy. I debated rad fems at Uni - because that was still possible, they weren't that far gone. But generations of echo chambers have disconnected them from civil discourse, and now they shriek TRIGGER WARNING when confronted with any new idea, pointing at the dissenter like the Pod People, and demanding their destruction as 'unsafe'.

I am an antifeminist, in the same way I am an anti-fascist and and anti-communist - but to find out who I truly am, you have to know what I am for. I am for human rights, and my energies are dedicated to men's rights, because I'm not omnipotent, and if I try and save everyone, I am spread too thin.

Being an MRA is something I can do, and while I'm not the most successful by any means, I have made a little bit of difference.

And that's all most of us can ask for; it's more than many of us will ever get to do.

'to find who rules over you, find out who you aren't allowed to crticise'.

I'm going to go back to the DSU and explain why working with femsoc is impossible, with evidence, and a different set of values. I'll dee if they ratify this time, now are goals are demonstrably not the same as femsoc's.

Somebody needs to create a society *specifically* for the purpose of "bashing feminism", and try to set it up on campus. Of course, it will be denied, but they should keep records of the entire process from start to finish. Then, other people on other campuses should do the same.

The idea is to spotlight feminism specifically as "the problem", and garner publicity around that concept. So-called "men's issues" can wait.

Feminism is not sacred. It's just another cult, no more sacred than Scientology.

I agree, with the exception of the men's issues that go directly to the flesh (genital mutilation, selective service, financial servitude at threat of jail).

I would file those examples under "feminism's wrongs", and frame the discussion accordingly. My watchword is "make the feminist connection."

I understand the principle behind neutralizing feminism in order to address men's issues, and I think it's a good strategy for a portion, even the majority, of politically-activated advocates to do. I certainly have no problem with bundling the declawing of the feminist beast along with activism on those issues, but those particular ones above all others need direct action that cannot wait for the feminist empire to crumble.

Nothing prevents conventional activism from going forward, by anybody who can make this happen. What I envision is for an alternative movement, with a clearly separate identity in the public eye, to be running in paralell.

Signal differentiation.

Young, dumb kid doesn't want to attack feminism.. just wants to discuss men's issues.... lol

scroll down, look at my comments.

Right. Let me offer you a piece of advice. You're wasting your time offering an olive branch to these people. There's a reason so many men have decided simply to fight feminists and feminism. Personally, I'd rather avoid the entire issue and enjoy my life. Society can burn to the ground if that's what the future holds, I don't care. But if you're going to attempt to advance a male cause in this society, you're going to have to accept the fact that you're in for a fight.

I would say, fight that fight first, and once Goliath is vanquished, the "male cause" will be a cakewalk.

Feminism is sexism

Smell the coffee, Adam. Universities are indeed becoming increasingly hostile towards men, and it is all due to the influence of toxic feminism, a man-hating totalitarian ideology based on false premises, with the result that in the education system today it’s men and boys who suffer. Almost two-thirds of students in higher education are women, just over one third are men. If that situation were reversed, there would be an outcry from feminists, but we hear nothing from them. And feminism claims to be about equality? Please, wake up, open your eyes, please.

Scroll down, loook at my comments, couldn't agree with you more, i was pulling some wolf in sheeps clothing stuff to get the idea of a society allowed, without it immediately getting shut down for being 'misogynist' (which it's not, i'm all for equal treatment, feminism isn't though)

Yes, I admit I hadn't read all the earlier comments. Please don't give up on your efforts to form a group to help depressed men and deal with the issue of male suicides. Neither feminists nor fellow students, nor the university authorities, have the moral right to ban such legitimate and lawful activity. Nor do they have the right to censor, silence, and ostracize anyone who opposes their ideology, though they will surely try.

The strategy should be, to spotlight their efforts to silence other voices, and make this a Big Issue. Really play it up. It's the (metaphorical) rope that will (metaphorically) hang them.

Sooner or later he's going to find out that it's Feminist policies that are driving the male suicide. You only have to look at the M/F suicide levels before and after Feminist policies became law. Really, all you have to do is line up Feminist patriarchy theory with Nazi anti Semitic writing and swap gender for race, same thing, gender theory is also modern day Lysenkoism. It's all old bad ideas from the bad old days dusted off and given new names.

basically in this article he says "feminists wont let me help men, and want to censor me, and want to supervise my activities, and wont permit me to help unless i say men dont have problems, and are blocking me from even starting up, but i wont fight feminists like MRA's because only "those" people dislike feminists"

this guy is unaware of whats happening to him and why its very sad, feminists have even gone so far as to have feminists start up mens groups and halfassed fight to get them recognized while their whole plan is to fail and set a precedent that mens groups are not welcome on campus, feminists controoling the process from both sides....

Please scroll down to see my comments, I know full well what happened, but the word MRA has been dirtied so much in public discourse i simply couldn't use it without being falsely labelled a misogynist or rape apologist. That really pisses me off but it had to be done to get the idea off the ground.

Although feminists did not stop me from starting up, that's the DSU thinking i had the same goals as FEMsoc (they naively believed feminism was about gender equality for both sexes, when their official goals and all official documentation states the exact opposite).

I'm not trying to fight a movement for women's issues, it's important to combat things like workplace sexism and lack of representation in powerful positions, but feminism is so much more than that. Feminism labels men as oppressors, and claims we are so privileged we couldn't possibly have it as bad as women do. Despite the number of men killing themselves and going homeless stating the opposite.

do you want to know why the feminists fight you?
and why you should oppose them having any control over your funding?
they do not delude themselves into thinking the government (or whatever ruling body happens to be handing out funding) is going to suddenly DOUBLE their gender spending budget in the name of equality,,, they are fully aware that any $$ you receive or funding that you campaign for will come directly out of their pockets and the more awareness you create with that funding the less they can deny you need their funding or a "fair" portion of it, they will be nice to your face while they refuse any funding you are hoping for, playing innocent and deflecting any questions about it gaslighting you at every turn, there will be male feminists who fight you female feminists will fight you and meanwhile nobody is being helped.
get in touch with sage gerrard and get an action plan and some help from people who have been through this.

will do. Thanks for the advice! And i'm aware feminists will fight me, and i'm aware reason, logic and facts do not work on them, but I hope to be able to persuade observers.

Sage Gerard, AKA Victor Zen.
Zen Men

The word "MRA" is nothing more than feminist code for anybody or anything they perceive as a threat to the feminist power structure.

Which means that the word is, for most effective purposes, meaningless.

It's interesting that you've identified "workplace sexism" as a women's issue.

Men in those positions will bring in a witness to any such meeting, or record audio.

Why didn't they complain? Even one of them? Where I work, if a woman (or man for that matter) was found guilty of sexual assault, she'd be expected to clear her desk in a heartbeat. I do agree that there are some women who will at times use their female vulnerabilities, shall we say, to their advantage but in a case as the way your present it, I cannot see much wiggle room for someone assumed to be guilty.

The tenor of your comment suggests strongly that you don't know what's going on these days in terms of the larger political zeitgeist.

Really? Is that because my experience has been different to yours or do you feel there is some other compelling reason?

Perhaps I'm wrong, but in your comment you seem rather limited to micro-solutions and micro-framing of the problem. Granted that localized exceptions can be found, but the larger problem is . . . . well. . . larger.

The 'problem' presented by Seax was imv a localised one that could, for the most part, be resolved by deploying micro solutions. That has been my personal historical experience. Though I 100% concede the issue is manifest as a [tiny] part of a much larger ideological struggle.

Ok, notwithstanding your personal experience/s, I've also been on the receiving end of a bit of what you've experienced. Personally, I think it is a matter of being assertive and setting boundaries on behaviour. Personally what worked for me was to firmly say "No".....(unless you really mean 'yes'), and challenging what we consider unacceptable behaviours. It eventually went away.

Personal coping strategies can do very little to alter the feminist power structure as a whole.

This is political.

And you must learn to understand the situation. . . . politically.

How else can solidarity be achieved?

Yes I realise it is political. I applaud whatever counter initiatives are taking place through whatever are the structured efforts but was mere,y commenting that there are things we can ALL do as individuals.....which, to a lesser or greater extent, can garner some success.

Social control. It is authoritarian top-down agenda of social control based on the fallacy that inequality is based purely on environment, training, conditioning. It is Lysenkoism. It is criminal in the higest degree.

Lol. I love the cognitive dissonance in the article. It says the guy said 'I don't want to have an ideological clash with feminism. I don't want to be like MRAs or misogynists.' Yet... the feminists STILL don't let him have his perfectly reasonable and non-sexist society, or they want to ideologically control it. Newsflash... MRAs trashtalk and battle feminists because its the ONLY way, because they DESERVE it. You simply can't stick up for men without splitting from feminism. Its literally impossible. That's why MRAs are the way they are, and why MRAs will always be the genuine representatives of men's human rights. That's why they're called MRAs, not other people. It would be like saying 'Mr Hitler I want to set up a society to help Jews, but I don't hat Nazis its OK. I have nothing against Nazis. Please let me help Jews.' Not going to happen! The only way to help is to fight!

I have since realised this. Don't worry. I keep getting told men don't need a movement for their issues, or that their issues aren't as bad as women's, or that men don't even face institutionalised sexism. it's all bullshit and it angers men, i'm not working with femsoc if it means that women's problems are seen as inherently worse than men's problems, because they effect women. That's inequality for you.

I'm not against a movement fighting for female specific issues with the aim of getting more representation in politics and powerful jobs, that's important, but i'm against a movement that just denies men's issues the recognition and attention they deserve, by trying to co opt them and downplay their significance by claiming all men are oppressing women. it's just so illogical on so many levels.

Not working with femsoc, can't do it, sorry. I'd lose my mind.

In your foregoing comment, I see hopeful signs that you are in fact gaining your mind, as opposed to losing it. You're on the right road; keep walking in that direction!

look at the spending for feminism and the laws they pass favoring women and tell me again how women are unrepresented, you have bought hook line and sinker the BS story about needing more women in politics, i will let you in on a little secret, male feminists count as representatives for women too and even the president of the US is a feminist, if you want to know how well women are represented take a look at the money and how much gender spending there is for women compared to men.....

Whilst I am all about mental health (long term campaigner and mental health worker), I do wonder about having a separate group for men. Whilst I appreciate mental health needs for young men need to be addressed I also think this is the case for all groups and ages. Surely most men who would be willing to talk about their issues in a group like this would also be willing to share their experiences via other forums (e.g. Nightline, well established in Durham). As a first pass at addressing this problem, would it not make sense to work with existing organisations to run specific campaigns targeting specific group needs if these are not addressed within the university? Having established and maintained services myself it takes a lot of leg work and you need a hell of a lot of support financially and from a good team. This would be one way to meet your goals whilst minimising such burdens.

Would you support a non-feminist men's issues group that included women?

I mean, we need to address the feminist problem on some level, so perhaps the best idea would be to ban feminist ideology from certain spaces altogether, so that a non-feminist discourse would establish itself?