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Old BBS Geek • 9 years ago

Will Coursera help me to get a H1B certification? Because most of the tech places say I need one of those to get a job.

Unix Guru • 9 years ago

Will Coursera help a 59 yr old UC computer scientist find a decent job with a living wage?

Unix Guru • 9 years ago

The latest scam...1) hire an H1B guy... 2) get me to train him ... 3) send him home to India and outsource the job to a 3rd party Indian company. 4) fire me = Brilliant!

Guest • 9 years ago
Nick Switzer • 9 years ago

I'm interested in your points. I like Coursera too much as a user to stay impartial about this, but here are my questions anyways.

a) What's the incremental cost to the universities? Are they paying professors over time? I doubt it's increasing university cost very much.
b) Do the universities get that educational data back? What's that worth?
c) Who owns the lectures? Can the university pull them back at any time?
d) Students in traditional universities pay way more to come up with ideas that often have way less impact on the world. Yes, some incredible grad school projects change the world, but most undergrad projects I've seen don't do much.

Guest • 9 years ago
Nick Switzer • 9 years ago

Thanks for the response. I have lots more questions and some potential disagreements, but these would be better handled in an engaging discussion.

I'll check out your site a little more.

Short question - what's your call-to-action for Coursera students? What's the best option, assuming they have a great specialization you're hoping to learn from?

shawndrost • 9 years ago
PeterCaoCabbage • 9 years ago

— Would anyone or any organization like to associate himself/herslef/itself with fascism crimes? Would anyone like to be educated by someone who's misbehavior has brought into our lives anti-humanity crimes which are fascism by nature and which had endangered human lives? Would anyone like to be living in a society under the jurisdiction of some malicious and cowardice officers (namely ZZZ/YYY/VVV, they must have power of jurisdiction over civilians of Santa Clara county) who hided their identities from us while colluding with those fascists to cover up their fascism crimes and at the same time retaliate on victims?
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Udacity as mentioned in this article, its cofounder Sebastian Thrun had involved into a decade long criminal case which is fascism by natureand which had endangered human lives, starting from a simple campus atrocity case with clear evidence and serious police investigation — [Stanford police case number: IR #04-111-0335; Victim: Peter Cao; Criminal Suspect: Gabriele Scheler] — http://tDOTcn/R7F1yQ0 (replace DOT with . for the right web address) attention to the 7 photo evidence to see how inhuman this suspect lady is;

— Would anybody with normal mental health and civilized education do something like that on the human body of another person? —;

But how could a simple campus atrocity case turned into a series of fascism crimes for over a decade long which got more and more innocent people involved? — Fascism prevails and miscarriage of justice is going on; — not all by my capability could handle; — here is the link to this criminal suspect Gabriele Scheler’s website — http://tDOTcn/RPLEG7D (replace DOT with . for the right web address) —
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— Such fascism crimes have to be disciplined by laws and such fascists like Gabriele Scheler and Sebastian Thrun and the likes have to be brought to justice; they can’t escape from it;

PeterCaoCabbage • 9 years ago

Miscarriage of justice is one horrible horrible thing that could ever happen to human society; it could result in the victims being further victimized; it could produce retaliatory fascism crimes directly from the judicial system;

That day, a man named JayJones argued for sake of Sebastian Thrun (who's been advocated in this article) in comments part of an article titled "Get schools out of the 1890s" by Mr. Newt Gingrich on cnn dot com, that --- "Apparently they are tolerated in human society, since neither of them have been arrested or imprisoned. What is your definition of fascist?" ---

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Dear Mr. JayJones,

— Miscarriage of justice is going on, and that's why neither Sebastian Thrun nor Gabriele Scheler have been arrested or imprisoned so far, while I as a victim am further victimized by their retaliatory fascism crimes; the case remain mystified and incomplete so far; and at this stage, the real problems are coming from the judicial system; Justice has not been done;

— The fact that Gabriele Scheler or Sebastian Thrun have not been arrested or imprisoned so far does not mean they are tolerated in human society; at least I know San Francisco State University fired Gabriele Scheler and Stanford partially fired Sebastian Thrun due to their involvement into such fascism crimes; and I am pretty sure both of them would be universally rejected as more and more people learn the fascism nature in their crimes;

— As I said before: "We are all made of human beings; you have your judgement, and we all have our own; Anybody with normal intelligence could easily figure out that there is something seriously wrong going on in this case;" I wonder who's the officer handling Gabriele Scheler and Sebastian Thrun's case? How would they explain the brutality from Gabriele Scheler on my body as evidenced in those 7 photos, in the first place? —http://tDOTcn/R7F1yQ0 (replace DOT with . for the right web address)—

— What are the real identities of judicial officers (namely ZZZ/YYY/VVV, they must have power of jurisdiction over civilians of Santa Clara County, from Santa Clara DA? or FBI?) handling Sebastian Thrun's case and Gabriele Scheler's recanted testimony? How can I see their materials to accuse/curse me and to mess up the case? Can you or anybody let us know? I have serious questions to ask them;

PeterCaoCabbage • 9 years ago

Here is the statement of how miscarriage of justice is carrying on in case of Sebastian Thrun (who's been advocated in this article) and Gabriele Scheler, written in Chinese characters; save them for later use, please;
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Sebastian Thrun 一方法西斯在美国司法系统中极具势力,使得这个本来是非分明,证据明确,并经警察严肃调查过的校园暴力案 — [斯坦福警察档案号: IR 04-111-0335;受害人: Peter Cao; 犯罪嫌疑人: Gabriele Scheler] — 后来在美国司法系统中颠倒黑白,制造冤案以掩盖 Sebastian Thrun, Gabriele Scheler 一方所犯法西斯罪行;而至今那些后来制造冤案的司法官员(namely ZZZ/YYY/VVV)对受害人隐匿他们真实身份黑心办案,并对当事人掩盖案件材料,侵犯隐私,威胁恐吓,阴谋陷害,以阻止澄清案情,从而达到袒护 Sebastian Thrun 与 Gabriele Scheler一方法西斯犯罪的目的;

— 有人能让大家知道那些后来处理本案司法官员(namely ZZZ/YYY/VVV, they must have power of jurisdiction over civilians of Santa Clara County, including people living in Stanford Society) 的真实身份么?我有严肃的问题要问他们;
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— Again, ZZZ/YYY/VVV are judicial officers (from Santa Clara DA? or FBI? etc.), but not mafia, or are they? their practices as judicial officers have to withstand the scrutiny from the public; By law, they have to show us their real identities; they can't hide their real identities from us for ever;

PeterCaoCabbage • 9 years ago

— Sebastian Thrun had purposefully conspired me in collateral with this criminal suspect Gabriele Scheler when I cautiously tried to approach him even though he clearly knew I was encouraged to contact him with valid reference from his bosses of Stanford Computer Science department; In March 2010, one day before I tried to file an important complaint at judicial authorities against an officer who’s miscarriage of justice biased on Thrun, Thrun’s student Mr. David Stavens (also an Udacity cofounder) had gone to Stanford police and lied to police and falsely accused me in collateral with Thrun; — So what kind of education had Mr. David Stavens received from Sebastian Thrun in Stanford Computer Science Department, other than computer science?
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It is a universal common sense to us all that protecting human lives and their basic rights of living supersedes teaching, doing business or doing research;

I believe everybody relevant here would have the sense of righteousness to help us push forward this decade long criminal case, and clarify this case and find justice to those fascists along with Sebastian Thrun, is that right?

PeterCaoCabbage • 9 years ago

Fascism may not exist in everywhere, but could come from anywhere;
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— It is a common sense to all of us that ... "Protecting human lives and their basic rights of living supersedes teaching, doing business or doing research"; ... Before this case clarified, and those fascists along with this criminal suspect Gabriele Scheler and Udacity cofounder Sebastian Thrun being concurred, I bet nobody would like to play up personnel associated with fascism crimes, the likes of Sebastian Thrun and Gabriele Scheler, nor cover up their fascism crimes and everybody has the obligation to fight against such fascism crimes;

I wish everybody relevant here would help push forward and clarify this decade long criminal case and find justice to such anti-humanity crimes along with such fascists as Sebastian Thrun and this criminal suspect Gabriele Scheler are;

Wouldn't anyone scholar from WIRED dot com deserve to know the truth of this decade long criminal case which is fascism by nature? What's going on here?
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Isn't it a basic instinct that embedded into the spirits of us all to spontaneously fight against such anti-humanity crimes?

PeterCaoCabbage • 9 years ago

— The point is, though I am a victim while Gabriele Scheler a criminal suspect, my life has been underhandedly cursed and systematically retaliated by fascism powers behind Sebastian Thrun for over 10 years without an end ever since Gabriele Scheler recanted her testimony and falsely accused me at somewhere unknown to me in the judicial system; Sebastian Thrun and Gabriele Scheler’s follow up retaliatory crimes had been collateralled by some officers (namely ZZZ/YYY/VVV, they must have power of jurisdiction over civilians of Santa Clara County) who’s handling Scheler’s recanted testimony in the judicial system, and who hided their identities from me during these many years till today; Neither did I ever see their materials to accuse me, nor did I get a chance to defend myself; i.e. their underhanded retaliatory fascism crimes are coming from the judicial system, as well; — Miscarriage of justice is going on;

PeterCaoCabbage • 9 years ago

Here is a quote about the moral issue in Udacity cofounder Sebastian Thrun's career, according to an insider's revelation (not mine) that:
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Thrun is shamelessly taking credit for work done by others. In Germany, his native country, prof. Dickmanns already had fully autonomous, fast, self-driving cars (160km/h) in traffic in 1995, long before anybody else, and 10 years before Thrun’s team joined the fray by participating in the 2005 DARPA Grand Challenge for self-driving cars. And the DARPA objectives were not that hard to achieve, as quite a few teams were able to reach the goal. One of them was a financial services company that had never dabbled in robotics before. All of this is easy to verify. Or take the online courses of Udacity. In Germany, prof. Loviscach started online university lectures back in 2009, and got millions of clicks long before Thrun jumped on the train 3 years later. The award-winning prof. Vornberger published his popular videos already in 2002, even before the Khan Academy, currently the most visible mass education outfit. (Germany has a long tradition of distance teaching – Univ. Hagen with over 80,000 remote students has specialized on this for decades.) Even at Stanford, Thrun was not the first. His colleague prof. Andrew Ng, co-founder of Coursera, got hundreds of thousands of viewers for his youtube machine learning course, long before Thrun followed suit and put his own lecture online. Or take Google Glass. No wonder that prof. Babak Parviz, its creator, got miffed when Thrun started taking credit for that as well. More examples from Academia could be listed. If there is one recurring theme in Thrun’s carreer, it’s his (more or less subtle) attempts at festooning himself with achievements of others.
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Also, according to an article on ieee dot org "The Unknown Start-up That Built Google’s First Self-Driving Car" Posted 19 Nov 2014, the real power behind google's self-driving car project is a group of students from 510 System from Berkeley, but not the self-claimed 'godfather of self-driving car', Mr. Sebastian Thrun;
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--- Would such a personnel really be up to the moral standard as a role model in the world of education, science or technology?

PeterCaoCabbage • 9 years ago

And, at this stage, the most confusing part of this case is: — What are the real identities of judicial officers (namely ZZZ/YYY/VVV, who must have power of jurisdiction over civilians of Santa Clara County) handling Sebastian Thrun's case and this criminal suspect Gabriele Scheler's recanted testimony? How can I see their materials to accuse/curse me and to mess up this case?

Can anyone here help us know? I have serious questions to ask them;

..................... P.S. .....................

— ZZZ/YYY/VVV are judicial officers (from Santa Clara DA? or FBI? etc.), but not mafia, or are they? their practices as judicial officers have to withstand the scrutiny from the public; By law, they have to show us their real identities; they can't hide their real identities from us for ever;

iainmacl • 9 years ago

And who has the intellectual property rights to projects developed in the capstone assessment? Coursera's standard terms state that they own the copyright of anything submitted on their platform. I don't know if they have a different arrangement for these types of project or indeed if the 'partner' companies also share in the spoils. Anyone know? Surely it's not a case of paying a fee to take a course to do design work for a company and give them the IP rights?

Pablo Torre • 9 years ago

funny, the impression I got from taking MOOCS is that they cover the subject way deeper than anything I saw when I went to college...

Cynicallyric • 9 years ago

"For many employers, a college degree is
still a ticket for entry, and Levin for one, says it’s unlikely that any
elite universities are going to start giving those away online for free
any time soon."

I swear, if you're going to post up an opinion like that, you need to do some research first. You are SO WRONG. Check out uopeople.edu. Looks like free online degrees to me! Oh my yes, it says here that UO People is a free online university put together by Harvard and Yale and partnered with by Microsoft. But let's not stop there. How about the fact that countries throughout Europe are starting to understand that - in the words of the Senator for Science in Hamburg - “Tuition fees are socially unjust?" Germany and several other European nations are giving away degrees (of all kinds) tuition free.

But back to UO People. You see, Microsoft understands that there's going to be a skills crunch when the elder generation of programmers retires, and they don't want to be paying million dollar salaries competing with Google and other techs for the remaining talent. Giving away free degrees through a non-profit increases the supply of talent and lowers their overhead while simultaneously providing them a tax break. Plus, their employees are happier and more productive because they aren't indentured servants to some jerk banker. Microsoft is making an investment, and a good one. Better rethink your outlook on "reality" bro, because traditional education is already ancient history - it just doesn't know it yet.