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Sandy Naylor • 3 years ago

A piece of paper cannot alter reality.

Norman Lane • 3 years ago

It can in the minds of lunatics.

SecularAmerican • 3 years ago

But they are the legal adoptive parents.

Charles Kehler • 3 years ago

All on the vain hope that evolution or science will make it a reality, no doubt.

This reminds me of a children's book on how babies are made that I recently paged through at a book store.

It was very accurate on implantation of the egg and development of the fetus but never once mentioned gender of the parent. In fact, it just sad that some people produce eggs, some people produce sperm.

Guest • 3 years ago

Someday, conservatives will understand how the law works in relation to biology and religion.

If the speed limit is 65, this does not mean that the lawmakers who passed the law believe that humans are unable to travel faster than 65, nor that God ordained the speed limit, nor that humans were born going 65 miles per hour.

I know, that's a lot of information to take in all at once.

Baby steps.

Charles Kehler • 3 years ago

Take immoral actions and behaviours, bully the psychiatric community into declaring that activity as the essence of a persons identity and legalize it. Use entertainment, government and education to normalize it. Declare that any questioning, concerns or dislike to the actions as hateful and descimintory to the people practicing those actions, because of declaration of identity. Finally, use society to declare that those actions always were in fact moral but that people just declared them immoral to control them. Too bad that the bacterial disease development that result of many, if not most of those actions will always and continually tell a different tale.

Guest • 3 years ago

Well then, it appears that you are living in a place where I'm probably not going to find any common ground with you on which to hold a discussion.

Have a great weekend, wherever you are.

Jim Bart • 3 years ago

Liberals believe the laws should just be written for their warped perverted view.

Bigot - a person who is extremely intolerant of another's creed, belief, or opinion.

I know, that's a lot of information to take in all at once.

Baby steps.

Guest • 3 years ago

Doesn't seem to have anything to do with the comment to which you were replying, but thanks for sharing.

Gary Whiteman • 3 years ago

Baby steps toward the edge of the cliff.

Lando • 3 years ago

Also, many posters here seem completely unable to comprehend that in the United States, adopted children get new birth certificates with their adoptive parents listed. Gay parents, straight parents, it doesn't matter, that's the way it's been for decades, but people get outraged that it's not the biological parents listed on these kids' birth certificates.

wit brown • 3 years ago

I hope you can agree that the same process that grant the change on the birth certificate will the same that will and can reverse that change. It'e all politics. Agreed.?
All in the United States...

Jeff Briggs • 3 years ago

All in the hope that equal treatment under the law will catch on.

Charles Kehler • 3 years ago

A relationship, even parental, that is built on a foundation of lies and deceit, regardless of how loving and safe it is, is bound to have catastrophic psychological consequences for the one being so blatantly lied to. These kids are going to be a mess when, not if they find out the truth.

Jeff Briggs • 3 years ago

Who said their parents are going to lie to them?

Same-sex couples have been raising children for generations. They are no less, or more, well-adjusted on average than children raised by opposite-sex parents.

Single parent families have children less well adjusted than two-parent families, but not so much that we are outlawing single-parent families.

Charles Kehler • 3 years ago

The very fact that they are now pushing to have the birth certificates allow to only have the couples names as the parents and not the one or both biological parents.

Jeff Briggs • 3 years ago

Having sex doesn't make a person a parent. Raising a child makes a person a parent.

Guest • 3 years ago

Yes, the anti-gay thing is really having an impact on conservatives' understanding of what a family is and how important it is to actually care for one another.

Grasshopper • 3 years ago

Lesbians beat each other up, so they are great role models for children. Anyone who ever worked in an all-night diner has witnessed a lesbian cat fight, wish they'd post some on Youtube, the gay movement will slink away in shame.

Jim Bart • 3 years ago

What do you expect from a group who has satan as their father. History shows their fate. Yet they think they know better. This time, there will be no where to run, it won't be Sodom and Gomorrah, it will be the whole earth.

Guest • 3 years ago

It appears that we agree that children benefit from not being raised in a violent household.

Paul&sandi • 3 years ago

from your mouth the God's ear

Guest • 3 years ago

That trendy notion, yeah...

Grasshopper • 3 years ago

You need to put same-sex "parents" in quotes just as in same-sex "marriage," because by definition two people of the same sex cannot create a baby together. Don't allow the nut jobs to dictate the vocabulary of public discourse, they are delusional.

Guest • 3 years ago

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Jeff Briggs • 3 years ago

You are confusing "having sex" with "parenting". Pumping out a baby doesn't make someone a parent. Raising a child makes a person a parent.

Delusional, indeed...

Concern4Future • 3 years ago

Homosexuals are so desperate to cloak themselves in a false veneer of normality that they are willing to sacrifice children on their altar of perversion.

Dan • 3 years ago

You fail to show any harm to children from having legal parents, because you can't. You must therefore resort to demeaning pejoratives and fear mongering instead.

Concern4Future • 3 years ago

Apologies for the late response, but I am not usually keen to reply to people who could get their answers with a bit of research. Let's just start the ball rolling with these delightful homosexual pseudo-parents.

http://www.viralread.com/20...

And we wish to normalize these fake parenting self and child abusing non-families. It's a can of worms, a slippery slope and a Pandora's box any sensible self respecting society wouldn't touch.

Dan • 3 years ago

Child Protective Services document every day, a wide variety and severity of abuse by the straight, biological parents of children across the country. Having two biological parents is no guarantee of survival, let alone success.

Over 30 years of research and clinical experience has demonstrated children do just as well if not better, with same sex parents.

Notice your argument relies on demeaning pejoratives such as "fake, slippery slope, Pandora's box, self-respecting". Yet you cannot support your assertions with rational argument, revealing them to be empty excuses rather than rational, verifiable reasons.

Paul&sandi • 3 years ago

same sex relationships should not be granted children. It is child abuse.

ed-words • 3 years ago

Yes, it is, but unfortunately that genie isn't going back in the bottle, and allowing these types to adopt opened up the path for "marriage." Our pastor says he prays every day for children being raised in these awful circumstances, being preyed on by their "fathers'" gay friend. If you thought about it long enough you'd vomit.

Paul&sandi • 3 years ago

It is horrifying what is happening with children these days. I appreciate your pastor and for his concern for children. God bless him.

Kay Glines • 3 years ago

It really should be on people's prayer lists. The first person I ever knew who committed suicide was a girl in my high school, being raised by her lesbian mom and her "companion." The poor girl's life was a hell on earth, it was sad that she kept so much of her pain inside, we didn't realize till she was gone what she had been coping with.

Paul&sandi • 3 years ago

I wouldn't give anything to be a parent these days and I don't envy parents trying to do a good job. The selfishness of some people is incomprehensible. To place sex over the Lord and wellbeing of the child you are in charge of, is wrong is so many ways. We really need to pray for these children that the Lord will reach them. I think that pastor had it right.

Jeff Briggs • 3 years ago

I think you may have the wrong thread. We're talking about same-sex parents, not the Catholic Church.

Concern4Future • 3 years ago

Child abuse by homosexuals in the Catholic Church is not exactly the topic we are addressing here; it's relevant just the same, so thanks for bringing it up.

Jeff Briggs • 3 years ago

There's no evidence that people in same-sex relationships abuse children at any different rate than people in opposite-sex relationships.

Paul&sandi • 3 years ago

Homosexuals cause a lot of harm to others. The Lord
considers what they do an abomination
They teach children a blatant disregard for authority (the Lord), they lead children down a dangerous path – children of homosexual relationships are
12 times more likely to identify as homosexual - (the Lord said it would be better if a millstone were around their neck for hurting a child). The homosexuals lie to children that
homosexuality isn’t a sin.

The homosexual claims to love their "partner", yet they are keeping the one they love out of the Kingdom of Heaven, denying them the Lord’s blessings while on
Earth, and cause them to stumble. The myriad of
physical problems due to their sexuality is well known. What kind of witness is that for children?

Again, the homosexuals are hurting themselves. 1 Corinthians 6:18 - "Flee from sexualimmorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever
sins sexually, sins against their own body." One aspect of "sexual immorality"is homosexuality - hence, the child is not being taught respect for onesself.

The lies of the homosexual propagandist hurt
children. I've never heard a homosexual say they wanted to be one when they, ahem, "discovered" it, yet, they lie and tell mere children that itis innate, fixed and they can never leave the "lifestyle" - whowouldn't want to commit suicide after hearing those lies - and many children try - when we know the Lord will heal one of homosexuality.

A homosexual’s judgement is restricted by the
reprobate mind given to them by the Lord.

Homosexuality hurtsa lot of people, aside from their friends and relatives. They hurt each other. People wanting to leave the “lifestyle”report receiving death threats.
Homosexuality harms everyone. The
Lord called it a sin.

Guest • 3 years ago
Paul&sandi • 3 years ago

Oh how I wish you were wrong but you are completely correct and it hurts me to think about what these unfortunate children are going to endure.

Jeff Briggs • 3 years ago

I'm a Christian, so my Lord disagrees with the false god you call "Lord". My Lord said certain sexual acts were an abomination for some Jewish priests, but then came to Earth with a New Covenant for man. That's why, as a Christian, I don't have to follow the 613 laws of the Old Testament. I even wear mixed fabrics and eat shellfish!

My Lord accepts gay people as being no different than straight people. Both succumb to lust, and despite Paul saying we should all strive to be celibate, we understand we are saved by Grace, not through rites and actions.

So, no, children of gay parents aren't being "harmed" by having gay parents.

As for your statistics, they are lies. Children with gay parents are no more likely to be gay than children of straight parents. Gay children of gay parents are much more likely to come out to their parents. That doesn't mean having gay parents turned them gay, it means they felt comfortable and well-adjusted enough to not have to hide their orientation from their parents.

In other words, having gay parents means children lie less to their parents.

The "hurt" of friends and relatives is not the fault of gay people. Bigots hurt themselves.

As for the "myriad of physical problems due to their sexuality", perhaps you would be interested to know that lesbians have a much lower rate of STD's and AIDS than straight people. Perhaps you should convince straight people to clean up our act before projecting your faults on others.

Paul&sandi • 3 years ago

You do worship idols; don't you. Romans 1:24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error." The Bible is emphatic that homosexuality is a sin.

Secondly, if you knew Jesus is God, you would realize that the Old Testament references were made through Him, so He isn't going to change His mind. Homosexuality is a sin. Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever and homosexuality will be a sin forever. John 1; Hebrews 13:8

As in my above post, children living with homosexuals are hurt immeasurably, and I have shown that.

The statistics: . Schumm,
W. 2010. Children of Homosexuals More Apt to be homosexuals? A Reply to
Morrison and to Cameron Based on an Examination of Multiple Sources of Data.
Journal of Biosocial Science 42:721-742. Perhaps you should fight with them.

Jeff Briggs • 3 years ago

You need to read the rest of Romans and not just pick individual verses out of context to understand the meaning of Paul's teachings. Paul was not telling Christians what was still sin or not, he was pointing out man's failure to follow the old covenant, and the need to have a new one.

Still, you are free to interpret the Bible as you like, but aren't allowed to have the government make laws based upon your interpretation of the Bible.

As for your stats, you should read the paper. Schumm clearly states he expanded his definition of "transfer" to be expression of non-heterosexual identities and/or behavior, and not just actual orientation.

In other words he was measuring not just the percentage of sexual orientation, but also expression of that orientation. So yes, more children who are already gay are more likely to express their orientation if their parents are also gay. That's perfectly expected, and not a sign that children were being "turned gay".

Even if true, it wouldn't mean that's abuse. Influencing your child's sexual orientation isn't "abuse". After all, being gay isn't any sort of special problem, beyond having to put up with bigotry. And the bigotry directed at their children isn't the fault of the parents. It's the fault of the bigots.

Paul&sandi • 3 years ago

Not true. Paul was indicating how how some have fallen and you are cherry picking, my friend.
I don't need to interpret the Bible as I like. The Bible is very clear on homosexuality. I don't need to help it out a bit.
There is no such thing as "orientation". Homosexuality is a sin - simple as that. No, the author was quite clear about children choosing homosexuality.
You can cry bigotry, but then you are charging the Lord with that. He is the one who said that homosexuality is a sin. His Holy Spirit reinforced that in the New Testament.
I'm sorry that this upsets you so, but He will also help you with that.
Jesus loves homosexuals. He does not approve of their sin and wants better for them. Be blessed.

Jeff Briggs • 3 years ago

There are approximately 41,000 different Christian denominations and organizations which disagree about some part of interpretation of Scripture. Perhaps your prideful boast about being so sure of God's mind is a sin that is clouding your judgement.

God is not a bigot. People who don't understand God's Word by properly following the Holy Spirit are the bigots I was referring to.

Remember, Paul taught us that celibacy was what we should strive for, yet, through Grace, even heterosexuals who give into their lust are saved.

Yes, there's such a thing as "orientation". It's a human word, and is useful for describing several aspects of human cultural interactions. If you don't like the English language, perhaps we can switch to French?

Paul&sandi • 3 years ago

You can wish my judgment were clouded or you can read in Romans 1 how the Holy Spirit stated that homosexuality is abnormal, sexual impurity, degrading of their bodies, shameful acts...not much room for doubt there, my friend.
You are right, the Lord is not a bigot, but people who refuse to understand His word turn Him into one. Homosexuality is a sin, with the comments above defining it - not a suitable environment for a child. It along with what happens to children through the example of the people the child lives with - is an abomination. Children need to be protected from living with homosexuals.
If you read 1 Corinthians, habitual fornicators are in no better shape, my friend. We all sin. We all fall down and get back up and I believe the Lord understands that. It is defiant people who choose to rebel against the Lord and His word who are in trouble. The Lord is good and He loves us - but we cannot expect Him to wink at our sin and homosexuality is a sin.

Jeff Briggs • 3 years ago

So, your basic argument finally devolves into "it's against my religion". Well, it's not against my religion.

It turns out the US Government can't make laws based on your interpretation of your religion. They are, in fact, forbidden from doing so by the First Amendment.

So, unless you can demonstrate clear actual harm outside of your religious views, the government can't outlaw same-sex parenting.

Paul&sandi • 3 years ago

No my basic argument is that homosexuality is immoral and children should not be subjected to it in any manner.

New International Version
"If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck and they were thrown into the sea.

That is what is needed to be remembered when it comes to laws allowing immoral people to have children living with them.

Jeff Briggs • 3 years ago

Gay people aren't, on average, any less, or more, moral than straight people. Thus, your argument fails.