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Bruce • 9 years ago

This is about changing the culture of the country. 95% of the country doesn't care if he prefers to have sex with men or women. Yet it's shoved down our throats constantly. It's not about tolerance, it's about denigrating anything traditional.

Dayenu • 9 years ago

Way back.... way, way, WAY back when I was in college, I remember a classmate who wrote an essay. A gay student made him feel uneasy. The peer would talk about sex all the time, and bring up how he liked sex with older men, "cause they know what they were doing," and stare at guys he liked in an unnerving way.

He agonized whether this made him bigoted, until he imagined how he would response if the student was a girl who talked about sex all the time, and how she liked it from older men because they "knew what they were doing." When he realized a girl who spoke that way would disturb him just as much, he realized it was the obnoxious behavior that bothered him, not the orientation.

Dmember • 9 years ago

Homosexual behavior is a sin, not an 'orientation'.

Dayenu • 9 years ago

It's the lingo of the day, what can I say?

Call the orientation the desire for this specific sin. Everyone has different temptations. I, for instance, have no desire to eat bacon cheeseburgers. But some Jewish people struggle with that one.

Some desire alcohol, some don't. Some desire gambling, or theft, or gossip. Other's don't. And some desire inappropriate sexual relations. Some don't.

The "orientation" is a vague term that seems to suggest an in-born, immutable desire for a particular sexual relation. (That's why ex-gays are demonized as "fakes" but never accepted as authentic)

Whether it actually exists, or not, who knows? But even if Orientation is a fiction, it's become a legal reality. And we're dealing with the consequences of that.

Dmember • 9 years ago

Dayenu, so you think a homosexual's desire for perverted sex is as 'natural' as your desire for bacon cheeseburgers? Did your mommy drop you on your head when you were a baby? lol

Or, by the bacon cheeseburger example, are you trying to tell us that Sodomy is a religion?

louis_wheeler • 9 years ago

But acting on those natural desires is sinful. Each of us has natural inclinations which must be resisted.

Homosexual activists are not just sinners, but defiant sinners. They want to proselytize.

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louis_wheeler • 9 years ago

You don't understand. There is a difference between a religious principle and how we are supposed to treat our neighbors.

We are all sinners, me no less than you. We Christians should not judge people. We are suppose to love our neighbors, but we can tell them the truth. We can say that they are in danger from god.

God will judge them harshly if they are defiant sinners. I'd say that to someone who abused his wife, drank too much, had a roving eye, didn't pay back his loans from me, cursed in public and other ways of harming other people.

Consequently, I've had friendly relations with Homosexuals before. But, those homosexuals lived quietly, were friendly and were good people. I could care less what they did privately, so long as children weren't involved. They didn't try to convert me or call me nasty names.

The problems I had are with homosexual activists, like yourself. They are rotten neighbors, awful people and highly prejudicial. They cannot respect other people's opinions. They leave no one at peace. You want to force your opinions down everyone's throat. No thanks.

Dayenu • 9 years ago

What? Dude, did I say the word "natural" a single time in my post? And why the personal insult? And your second paragraph doesn't make any sense. What the hell are you talking about?

Maybe you're a pro-gay marriage activists, trying to make waves?

Dmember • 9 years ago

Dayenu....right, I said the word 'natural'. Why does that upset you? And why do you try to justify the unjustifiable (sin)? Do you think the desire to eat bacon cheeseburgers is a sin? If not, then why do you compare it to homosexual sin?

Just wondering why you're so quick to defend homosexuality.

Dayenu • 9 years ago

Am I defending it? I didn't realize I was defending it. Maybe you should try to understand me and my position a little better before you start slinging insults. I'm not sure where you stand.

The /desire/ to eat bacon cheeseburgers is not a sin. The /action/ of eating bacon cheeseburgers is a sin. Or at least, is a sin for a Jew who upholds the Kosher dietary laws. For gentiles, not so much. Gentiles are not required to eat Kosher food. It is not a sin for them to eat bacon cheeseburgers.

As for homosexuality, the sin in Leviticus is defined by the action, not the desire. According to Biblical law, if a man feels a homosexual /desire/ but refrains from the /action/ then he's not sinning. Better yet, he had a strong desire to sin and resisted it, which is all the more impressive.

The laws forbidding inappropriate sexual actions IS also upon gentiles, as it is one of those listed in the seven laws of Noah. Of course, I'm greatly simplifying things here and there are many other rules and conditions that will affect a person's accounting for his actions at the end.

Now how is this defending homosexuality?

Dmember • 9 years ago

Dayenu....good to know you have some things straight. Just seems you are quick to defend homosexual behavior.

Yes, the act is a sin. Right.

Dayenu • 9 years ago

"Seems"? How does it "seem" that I am defending it? I do not know how you are drawing that conclusion.

And yes, I will accept that there are different levels of homosexual sin, and some will be worse than others. I'm guessing you don't share that belief, because they are all the same to you, right?

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Dmember • 9 years ago

East....what a harsh reply. Does that make you the d**k now?

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Dmember • 9 years ago

What the Catholic church believes about homosexuality is irrelevant. What God believes is crucial. See Lev 18:22 and Romans 1:26,27 for what God believes.

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louis_wheeler • 9 years ago

Anyone can be in error, including myself.

What's I'm looking for is well crated arguments backed by facts and logic. It might not be true, but it's a good starting point.

Dmember • 9 years ago

East....you forgot to put Democrats in your list of evils. But you're right, the evil does outweigh the good in this world.

louis_wheeler • 9 years ago

There is politics inside the church which gets chastised later. Popes are no less human, and therefore sinful, than we are.

louis_wheeler • 9 years ago

Scientists have discovered a prevention for homosexuality-- at least in sheep. I gave a citation elsewhere.

It seems that homosexual leanings are a birth defect caused by a lack of hormones during gestation. If enough normal couples knew that, GayNAZI's would become history.

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louis_wheeler • 9 years ago

This research is divisive, political. It does not fit the leftist narrative. Heavy political pressure can be brought to bear on any scientist who is dissident. They are denied government grant money. Some people will bow under that pressure.

Let's give this some time. Honest scientists will speak out even if this ruins their careers.

They have found that sociopathy is a birth defect in the brain. They do not know yet what the cause is.

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louis_wheeler • 9 years ago

"Political junkies with agendas turn it divisive"

Yes, and many political junkies are on the left. They control the US grant money. There is a politically correct narrative pushed by the Leftist mass media.

Look at what the Left did with Anthropogenic Global Warming. Evidence disputing AGW couldn't get through the propaganda. So-called scientists at the University of East Anglia were caught trying to hide evidence that AGW wasn't true.

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louis_wheeler • 9 years ago

You are unable to read, AGW, not APW, equals Anthropogenic Global Warming.

That is the Leftist position that CO2 from industry is warming the earth, catastrophically. This argument is unproven. But, politically connected Leftists have made it very difficult to fight their propaganda. For the last 18 years, the earth has been cooling while CO2 concentrations continue to increase.

You seem to have a lot of time to waste here on a Conservative website. You want to shut people up.

I hope you do have a life. My experience with homosexuals is that they are unhappy. But, Leftists, in general, are unhappy.

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louis_wheeler • 9 years ago

I have a life. It may not be one that you approve of.

I read. I study. I answer stupid arguments on the internet. I do this only in response to leftist trolls on conservative websites. And only on a few topics.

I read Leftist websites, but I don't post, because I find no intelligent life there.

Dmember • 9 years ago

louis...then you're saying that sin is inherited. I would agree. Repentance is the optimal solution.

Louis+Wheeler • 9 years ago

We all have personal sins. It's hard to know if they are learned or inherited. Either way, they must be resisted if we want a normal life. Those sins could take over our lives and ruin them.

Dmember • 9 years ago

Sin is not inherited. Each is responsible for his own sin.

Ezekiel 18:20 "...the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son..."

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Dmember • 9 years ago

East....are you saying that God is outdated. Well! Just look how much smarter you are than God!!! LOL

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Dmember • 9 years ago

One might say the homosexual is oriented toward abominable behavior, right?

louis_wheeler • 9 years ago

Yes. Dangerous and disgusting behavior, too. No wonder that homosexuals have such a low life span.

louis_wheeler • 9 years ago

Christians do not care if you are bent toward homosexuality. It is homosexual acts which are sinful.

Everyone has temptations which would lead us into error. But, there are consequences for sin. Punishment follows, but that can be immediate or delayed.

ElComadreja • 9 years ago

A pervert is a pervert.

KodostheExecutioner • 9 years ago

they seek elevation and glorification for their "lifestyle choice" (which of course they say really isn't a choice; they were 'born' that way)

LeftistsStink • 9 years ago

They have to 'believe' they were born that way or at least convince everyone else they believe it. There is no other way to justify such a ridiculous decision.

ElComadreja • 9 years ago

Exactly. It absolves them of any responsibility for their failure.

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ElComadreja • 9 years ago

Apparently you're a bit dim or have a poor understanding of English. I was referring to their failure as human beings. HIV/AIDS affects the brain. You might want to get that checked out. Our side indeed.

louis_wheeler • 9 years ago

This is not settled yet. The Culture war goes on.

saksin • 9 years ago

It is worth noting in this connection that the homosexual activist community has made an about-face on the issue of the genesis of homosexuality. Once upon a time the dogma was that it was simply a personal choice, no compulsion, just a lifestyle choice. And now the dogma, defended as vociferously, is that one is "born that way." Why the about face? The homosexual activist community discovered the utility of assimilating their cause to that of the civil rights movement against racial discrimination, which means that it could be fought through the courts, over the heads of the voting public. And for that it was essential to claim that homosexuality was as inborn as skin color - essentially coming down to "why should we be treated differently in any respect whatsoever for something we can't help" - hence "born that way."

louis_wheeler • 9 years ago

It's amusing that scientists have discovered a prevention for Homosexuality-- at least in sheep. Other mammals should follow suit.

http://www.outsidethebeltwa...

It seems that Homosexuality is a birth defect caused by a lack of hormones during gestation. A cheap Lozenge placed under the skin prevents it. Naturally, the homosexual activists would prefer that normal people not know this fact.

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Louis+Wheeler • 9 years ago

This issue is divisive, but it is being peer reviewed. That takes time. The reviewers will want to experiment on other mammals, before they try humans.

Homosexual Activists and the Left would prefer that this research did not exist. The Left's control of the Mass Media means that they can cover up this topic. Naturally, if you live in a liberal Blue City, this is not news fit to print. It doesn't fit the Politically Correct narrative.
Naturally, the Left, like you, will do everything in its power to cast aspersions. But, truth, long delayed, leaks out. Secrets are
hard to keep.

If normal couples knew that they could prevent the chance of rearing a homosexual child, they might choose this cheap hormone therapy. There goes part of the Left's political base.

It's been well known, through CAT Scans and MRI's, that the brains of men and women are organized differently. Women have many more linkages between their hemispheres while Men have linkages from front to back in the same hemisphere. Homosexuals tend to have linkages somewhere in between.

If the number of homosexual Rams went from eight percent to a twentieth of a percent, that proves the principle. The numbers of homosexuals in America, as polled by the CDC, are 1.6%. If we applied this practice to humans their numbers might be reduced to one person in a thousand or lower.

That is too tiny a group to be a social cause. Hell, even 1.6% is too tiny, so the left lies about the numbers. They say 10% of Americans are homosexual by including adolescent males, denied access to sex with females, who tried sex with another male once and never repeated it.