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Yojji • 9 years ago

Gosh, is Phyllis still around? One of the original anti-feminist wingnuts. Running around all over to speaking engagements where she ranted about women needing to stay at home and be wives and mothers. What a hypocrite. Did you know her son is responsible for that hilarious conservapedia thing? Go have a look - it's almost as funny as the Onion. I can't decide if they really mean all that or if it's clever sarcasm.

Christine Gernant • 9 years ago

You can add Gina what's her name in RI, running for governor. A Wall St shark in sheep's clothing. Privatize pensions for faithful government workers. Guess who makes out in that scam. And any R Congressperson of the female persuasion.

ORAXX • 9 years ago

Do any of these women realize they would be little more than baby producing pieces of their husband's property, had conservatives gotten their way?

Jarvis • 9 years ago

It's not just conservatives who are opposes to feminism anymore. Anyone who suggests that is pretty far behind the times. Liberals are waking up to the fact that feminism has betrayed everything liberalism is supposed to represent. It considers women to be children and men to be violent criminals, with no room for individuality and personal choice. Liberalism is ALL about individuality and personal choice. Feminism is a conservative movement in liberal clothing, only cherry picking certain gender roles to fight, while reinforcing others, and espousing homophobic, transphobic and misandrist views. I'm not going to stop hammering these points home.

WendyLeighS • 9 years ago

These types of women want that. They hate responsibility, independence, and even the freedom Feminism gave them to spew poison every chance they get. They WANT to be told what to do, be nothing, do nothing, and be owned by someone. Some people want the easy way out because they know they could never succeed on their own merits. That's why anti-feminists of any gender are so desperate to cling to abnormal, "traditions" that give them privileges and clear-cut rules to how to live their lives. They can't think for themselves and don't want the responsibility of doing so.

For them....being a lazy prisoner is easier than being a hard-working free man/woman.

Jarvis • 9 years ago

Maybe you shouldn't speak for people you obviously don't understand. It's ironic how feminists are so devoted to attacking other women and putting words in their mouths. Do you not understand that these women can speak for themselves? Instead of telling people what these women want, maybe you should ASK them and try LISTENING.

WendyLeighS • 9 years ago

I already read what they have to say and YES they obviously do speak for themselves. They've presented themselves as violent, hateful and ignorant. That's their cross to bear when they exercise their right to speak. Not mine. I don't have to like a word they say nor give them the benefit of the doubt when evidence that suggests otherwise is presented to me (as it is here) of who/what they are.

If they don't want to be judged by their words....perhaps they should consider what they say more carefully.

ORAXX • 9 years ago

If they want it for themselves, then they can knock themselves out with it. What I don't understand is their willingness to mandate it for everyone else.

WendyLeighS • 9 years ago

Yeah I don't understand it, either. I suppose they aren't good at motivating themselves and have low self-esteem (maybe?) I can't figure out why they'd make some of these violent and harmful statements/suggestions unless they were suffering a mental disorder. I'd rather believe that than believe they actually meant it.

Jarvis • 9 years ago

Violent statements? You must be talking about all those feminists out there laughing about and encouraging physical harm against men.

WendyLeighS • 9 years ago

I don't know what Feminists you're referring to, but feel free to make things up based on outliers. I guess all White people are just like the KKK and all Muslims are Terrorists, too right? Get serious.

I'm reading comments in front of my own eyes posted in this article and responding accordingly with my opinion.

And yes..."violent comments". That is what they are. I don't know what else you'd like me to call them.

Auntie Alias • 9 years ago

Speaking of Christina Hoff Sommers, unsurprisingly, Richard Dawkins has embraced her. http://freethoughtblogs.com...

He was also cooing to Cathy Young on Twitter on the weekend. I've heard people from both sides say he's becoming an MRA. Although I think they were being facetious, yeah. That's pretty much what he sounds like these days.

Guest • 9 years ago
Auntie Alias • 9 years ago

LOL! He gets worse by the day and it'll be fun watching the atheist factions war over this and Dawkins digging himself an even deeper hole as he always does.

I'm no fan of PZ Myers but he did an admirable takedown of CHS in that article.

Kit Kimberly • 9 years ago

I like PZ, why don't you?

I will have to read it ... marking papers at the moment, can't take the time :-/

Auntie Alias • 9 years ago

It was over one position he took that made him look like an arrogant hypocrite who doesn't bother to check his facts: defending Melissa McEwan.

Mancheeze • 9 years ago

I would hope Alternet would remove the link below me. Nobody wants to read more worthless misogynist tripe after being on this comment section.

Jarvis • 9 years ago

Yes, only feminists should be allowed to talk and any criticism of feminism MUST be misogyny. I mean, why should feminism be scrutinized to the same extent as everything else, right? It's not FAIR to treat feminists equally!

Mark(MarkusGarvey)Estrada • 9 years ago

"Tom Paine • 11 hours ago
A large centralized government is the road to totalitarianism"

???

The flag feature is your friend!

Tom Paine • 9 years ago

A large centralized government is the road to totalitarianism

Kit Kimberly • 9 years ago

Relevance?

ajaxthegreat • 9 years ago

Wow, over 1900 comments! Do you think we can get to 2000? (facepalm)

Auntie Alias • 9 years ago

30 more to go!

WendyLeighS • 9 years ago

I'm glad to see that Alternet has removed some of the posts that were clearly posted to draw traffic to some of the most odious anti-woman/MRM websites around. Sending clusters of trolls to make hateful and downright abusive comments about women in general, Feminism, and attempt to derail an article meant to highlight the hypocrisy of women who are so "against" Feminism....but could not speak in the capacity they currently enjoy without the hard work or existence of Feminism.

No attention should ever be given to groups truly based on spreading hate like friends of Mr. Elam and the obvious attempts to garner attention to AVFM. They're essentially gender-terrorists not interested in improving the lives of women OR men or their relationships with each other....or their equality overall.

Jarvis • 9 years ago

Feminists celebrating censorship of free speech. Shocking. It must be a day that ends in "y".

WendyLeighS • 9 years ago

Free Speech does not apply to private companies such a Facebook, Alternet, or any other similar venue. They have the right to what we call "terms and conditions" that you are totally free to NOT accept. But when you click "I accept" and then post things that are against their policies....they have every right to remove them.

Trolling privatized websites and magazines is not a "right". It's amusing that you think it is....and then waited for a reason to blame Feminism for it, too.

ajaxthegreat • 9 years ago

Wow, 1740 comments! I think that's a record for any Alternet article. This article seems to have hit a serious nerve with the MRAs for some reason. Well done, Amanda!

Pangur Ban • 9 years ago

psst...the full phrase is "penny-dreadful," and forgive if correction is unwarranted. either way, your use is so perfect, i won't even steal it. i hope you use it often.

Mancheeze • 9 years ago

Whenever you expose MRA tactics and the people employing those tactics, you get an instant link on their hate site hub and then they all flock here copying and pasting their silly assertions.

I am very happy that Alternet removed that Tefexpat dude for his continual trolling. That was a breath of fresh air.

THANK YOU Alternet!

Jarvis • 9 years ago

Sounds like you were mad that you couldn't refute or disprove the "troll's" assertions. In the feminist dictionary, a "troll" is any non-feminist who dares to speak up in any zone clearly demarcated for unfettered misandry.

ajaxthegreat • 9 years ago

Yep, that troll was REALLY getting on my nerves. It's like he literally had nothing better to do with his time than provoke people. SMH.

Jarvis • 9 years ago

So when YOU comment here, it says nothing bad about you, but if someone you disagree with comments, it means they've nothing better to do with their time? Try to shed some of that hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance. The things you feminists have said on here are largely so easily refuted that it takes no time at all to log a million comments and call you out on your BS. Every feminist comment on here could probably be called into question in less than an hour, leaving people plenty of free time to do other things.

Ancuwen • 9 years ago

Could you tell me why exactly you're thumbing up Joy's comments in our exchange below? It's a serious question. She hasn't made a single valid point, instead insulting me with coarse language, completely ignoring all my (fairly easy to understand) points and making up things I never said. Just curious what your threshold of a thumb-up-worthy comment is.

ajaxthegreat • 9 years ago

I think your own comments in the exchange speak for themselves. Please re-read them, and ask yourself if those aren't the kinds of things your really don't want to ask someone unless you want to piss them off, let alone repeatedly. Just sayin'.

Ancuwen • 9 years ago

"I think your own comments in the exchange speak for themselves." - Yes, I believe they do. Anyone can re-read that exchange, and Joy comes off as a raving lunatic.

Mancheeze • 9 years ago

Thanks for understanding that my personhood belongs to my consciousness, not to anyone else. :-)

Let him think about it until he gets it. It could be decades from the looks of it.

Ancuwen • 9 years ago

I never questioned your personhood. The mere perception speaks volumes about your divorce from reality.

Mancheeze • 9 years ago

There you are mansplaining again. Listen dude, you got called out and don't like it. Now you're trying to save face and just making it worse.

ajaxthegreat • 9 years ago

Zing!

Ancuwen • 9 years ago

Zing? Are you fourteen years old?

Pangur Ban • 9 years ago

Zap!

Mancheeze • 9 years ago

:-) Me confronting him is misandry.

Bill Contrary • 9 years ago

I'm not picking sides here in this argument - but "Questioning personhood", "mansplaining", etc. all seem like cult crazyisms to me.

Ancuwen • 9 years ago

Thank you. Yes, that is the impression I got as well. That combined with the carpet-f-bombing and the lack of logic is kind of the sum total takeaway from Joy's comments.

Mancheeze • 9 years ago

A couple of female commenters, Wendy and chiiill, have expressed they are happily in relationships with men. One of the things MRA's and other male supremacists like to do is say feminists hate men. This is clearly not true. Andrea Dworkin, an amazing radical feminist, was married happily.

Granted there are some women, like myself, who for political and personal reasons will not have a sexual relationship with men but it's NOT the only relationship you can have with a person.

I have male friends. They're just very few and far between and I don't see them sexually so it removes much of the problem. Men who can carry on a great friendship with me are far more valuable to ME.

I consciously choose to have sexual relationships strictly with women but there is ONE man who I did have a sexual relationship with and who I fell in love with.

This whole 'manhater' line is just a cop out projection that they use to woman hate.

Jarvis • 9 years ago

Andrea Dworkin said she wanted to see men dead with high heels in their mouths like apples in the mouths of pigs. Pretty sure that wasn't a "projection" of the men she was advocating violence against, but her own words. It's amazing how feminists deny their own history and never hold themselves accountable for anything.

Guest • 9 years ago
Auntie Alias • 9 years ago

Jeez. That one again. You guys look only at the title and draw the wrong conclusions OUT OF DESPERATION. When you can't find a single credible instance of feminist hatred to validate your accusations, it's time to re-evaluate what you're really mad about.

Jarvis • 9 years ago

Valerie Solanas. S.C.U.M. Robin Morgan saying man-hating is honorable. Big Red and Jessica Valenti "ironically" mocking male suicide. #killallmen. Catherine McKinnon saying men falsely accused of rape can gain from the experience. Jezebel.com laughing uproariously about domestic abuse committed by women against men. That's just the tip of the iceberg. It's harder to find feminists who HAVEN'T committed blatant misandry.

Auntie Alias • 9 years ago

Um, you don't even know what the person posted.

Big Red and Jessica Valenti didn't mock male suicide. "Male tears" refers to the MRM whining about losing their male privilege. Jezebel's article was satire.

Stop believing everything the MRM spoon-feeds you.