Pit Bulls are not welcome on my property. I will give people one warning if there dog is roaming loose. Then the receive the lead pill and I am without remorse.
I have witnessed first hand how they can turn on people for no reason. I watched a so called sweetheart of a family dog, pit bull, suddenly turn, stalked and attacked a 3yr old girl at a park in Edmonton. The little kid was nowhere near the dog, the dog crouched in a hunt position and took off across the park and tried to kill the little girl.
That was the first one. Then more recently two of them were roaming and got onto my property and attacked a friends old Lab sitting on my porch. When we tried to save her they turned on the owner, I got the gun and ended it. Unfortunately for all 3 dogs as his old girl was ripped to shreds.
Now, I am more likely just to shoot first if I see one on my property.
They are killers and they should be killed before they kill.
It isn't if they attack, it is when they attack.

use your real nbame if you mean what you say you coward!! you seriously expect anyone to listen to and acknowledge a dimwit cowardly fool who can't even use his own name!! pmsl!! foamers!! lol!

No, that would expose my family to the likes of you.
I do mean what I have said though.

If these stories are even true there is a reason to these dogs attacks and it always falls on the responsibility of the owner. Lets say your child stabbed a kid at school would they blame that child or would they blame the parent??

Here my dogs can and do shoot back

You live out of town I take it?

yes

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I have had a neighbourhood pit bull run up to me, tail wagging, to cuddle and get a pat on the head. And I have had a pair of neighbourhood pit bulls patrolling the road come up to me all menace, giving me a growl and the evil eye, seemingly daring me to take them on and seemingly ready to rip my face off. There were no owners in sight in both cases, but that isn't really the issue. Bottom line... with pit bulls, I do not feel safe because of the unpredictability of the breed. One jumped its fence and pounced on my walking partner's Sheltie, its jaws clamped on the little dog's neck. My partner, a 72 year-old lady, risked her own well-being to grab the pit bull by the collar and pull him off her dog. Nobody need this bullshit. Owners are in denial.

Pack weaponry, legal stuff, but pack it only. The only shame is that your not allowed to use it on the owner also.

You really do have a propensity for violence against others don't you. And you condemn "pit Bulls"- you should be condemned!

also remember that you are defending dogs that kill little children and old people that cannot defend themselves.
That always gets me angry and more than a little bit unreasonable.
For that I apologize, I have taken it to far.

I do not defend ANY dog that, without provocation attacks anyone.
I do defend those dogs which extremists would condemn based solely on their breed.
As I said previously those "pit bulls" which attack and maim are in the vast minority. The press is always looking for "bigger" stories- thus all of the "pit bulls" get all the attention....when they do wrong.
Most of Michael Vick's fighting dogs were able to be placed in responsible homes where they've caused no problems that I am aware of.
Do a bit of research and you'll find many thousands of good stories of good pit bulls. Stories that don't make it into our dramatized media because they don't get huge emotional responses from people.

I accept your apology.......

Not a single one of Vicks pit bulls were placed in a pet home. 1 of them at Best Friends chewed through his fencing and killed another Vick dog and maimed yet another non-pit dog and the fine upstanding rescuers at BFs blamed it on the deer upsetting the pit bull. Another of Vick's pit bulls died when it broke free from one of its' "responsible family" member owners to attack a dog and was hit by a car and killed running across the street to do so. . Every single Vick pit bull went to a licensed or experienced behaviorist that had to keep watch over it 24/7 to have any hope of preventing an attack on another animal.
The "therapy" pit bull so widely acclaimed, made one highly publicized visit to a hospital then fell off the radar. Why? Because it was not suited to the work and the pit pushers know how gullible pitapologists are and that just that tid bit would suffice to create an alternate reality of the successful therapy pit spending its' days comforting ill people. Looks like it worked.
There were 100s of 1000s of dollars spent on rehabbing those dogs, and NOT A SINGLE ONE WAS EVER SUCCESSFULLY MAINSTREAMED INTO PET DOG OWNING FAMILIES. There were 6 (maybe 12.. cant remember) Beagles confiscated at the same time the pits were. These Beagles were used as bait dogs. NOT A CENT WAS SPENT on rehabbing THOSE ABUSED dogs and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM WAS MAINSTREAMED INTO A PET HOME WITH IN 2 WEEKS.

Facts are available.

If you STILL believe the BS about Vicks pit bulls being rehabbed and/or still believe that Kevin Vincente was attacked because he took a bone from Mikey, or that Kevin was trespassing, or that it was Mikey's owner who wanted to save Mikey, you need to just STFU because you have proven your abject ignorance on the topic in general and your refusal to avail yourself of readily available factual verifiable information.

I have no issues protecting me and mine and feel no guilt or remorse for doing so. But I do not the stench of hypocrisy wafting from you. Most uttering it's a people problem no a dog problem. So now neither the Biting Dog or the irresponsible owner should be taken to task?

crikey this blogs loaded with coward fakes!! foamers!!

I couldn't agree more, Bill: it is a bad breed that needs to be culled from the gene pool. There are plenty of great dogs that were not selectively bred for their fighting and killing abilities.

Wrong! The only ones that need to be culled and the ones bred for fighting! fighting and killing abilities are *NOT* the breed standard!!!!!

Please read the Wikipedia article: the percentages and numbers of violent attacks involving pit bulls as compared to other dogs is staggering.

"The Pit Bull was originally created as a fighting dog by crossbreeding bulldogs, mastiffs, and terriers to produce a dog that combined the size and strength of the mastiff, the gameness and agility of the terrier, with the strength and tenacity of the bulldog....

A nine-year (1979–88) study of fatal dog attacks in the United States
found that dogs characterized as pit bulls were implicated in 42 of the
101 attacks where the breed was known.[32] A 1991 study found that 94% of attacks on children by pit bulls were unprovoked, compared to 43% for other breeds.[33]
A 5-year (1989–94) review of fatal dog attacks in the U.S. determined
that pit bulls and pit bull mixed breeds were implicated in 24 (29%) of
the 84 deaths in which breed was recorded.[34]

A 20-year (1979–1998) study by the American Veterinary Medical Association into fatal dog attacks on humans[35] concluded that "fatal attacks on humans appear to be a breed-specific problem (pit bull-type dogs and Rottweilers),"
and that "pit bull-type dogs and Rottweilers were involved in more than
half" (67%) of all the 238 recorded dog bite-related fatalities (DBRF)
in the United States during that period, with pit bulls accounting for
66 deaths. They also wrote that:

It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of
dogs in the United States during that same period and, thus, there
appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities.[35]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

It doesn't matter which web link or report you post. These people defending the Pit Bulls will not believe it. They are Harperesque in their denial of science and facts.
Love is truly blind sometimes and I guess that must be the reason but the danger is still there, for everyone.
The old saying, If you tell the lie long enough you will learn to believe it yourself, definitely applies here.

I rely on evidence based research and experience. There is very little investigative journalism from which one could draw

the actual circumstances of an attack. I would rather rely on government sources that have access to all the information, and that know the difference between sensational headlines and academic research.

There are millions of pitbulls and pit mixes in North America, living happily with their families as loving pets. They have never had an incident, nor will they because their families are responsible people. They supervise and educate their children, train their dogs and contain
them, and make them members of the household. The problem dogs are those whose people have failed them., but that can be said for all breeds. Don't you think breed neutral legislation would be more advantageous, more easily enforced than just trying to regulate one TYPE
of dog based on appearance? We have many laws and ordinances in most communities now that would protect people and animals if they were enforced. We must license our dogs, and in order to do that we must keep them current in their vaccinations. It is cheaper to license them
if they are neutered. Many communities offer low cost spay/neuter programs, income based. Sometimes groups will offer free neutering at certain times if a vet is willing to volunteer. Leash and dogs at large laws need to be taken seriously and enforced. Residential zoning is just that, no commercial backyard breeders. Limit the number of dogs in a family. Breeders must be licensed and subject to facility inspections periodically. Dogs cannot stay outdoors on a chain 24/7. They must be socialized with their families living inside the house. . In doing these things, and a few others, the onus is put on the owners
to live up to their dogs needs. Then all dogs and potential victims benefit and are protected.

I have had dogs my entire life, and been bitten once because I foolishly approached a dog on a chain that I did not know well. He was a Malamute and took a pretty good chunk. I have adopted and rescued pits for over 30 years, raised my kids, fosters and multiple other species with them and have never had an incident. These dogs are not nearly as hair-triggered as you are led to believe,
and there are no unprovoked attacks.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu...

Wikipedia is not a reliable source, as anyone can effect changes in the information provided. That would never be accepted as a source in an academic paper.

This site is not used for academic purposes but there is a valid reason these dogs are banned in certain jurisdictions. I know for a fact that other breed actually bite more frequently, probably due to the fact that there are more of them but you cannot say that the bite from a pit-bull is the same as a bite from a retriever.

Just saying that if you are going to research a topic, use reliable sources. Information gathered from tabloid news sources is not balanced, it's sensational in order to sell copy. Decisions to ban a breed are usually reactive and emotional, not well thought out, and much of the political input is from certain groups "backing up the hearse" with these sensational headlines.
There are millions of pitbulls and pit mixes in North America, living happily with their families as loving pets. They have never had an incident, nor will they because their families are responsible people. They supervise and educate their children, train their dogs and contain them, and make them members of the household. The problem dogs are those whose people have failed them., but that can be said for all breeds. Don't you think breed neutral legislation would be more advantageous, more easily enforced than just trying to regulate one TYPE of dog based on appearance? We have many laws and ordinances in most communities now that would protect people and animals if they were enforced. We must license our dogs, and in order to do that we must keep them current in their vaccinations. It is cheaper to license them if they are neutered. Many communities offer low cost spay/neuter programs, income based. Sometimes groups will offer free neutering at certain times if a vet is willing to volunteer. Leash and dogs at large laws need to be taken seriously and enforced. Residential zoning is just that, no commercial backyard breeders. Limit the number of dogs in a family. Breeders must be licensed and subject to facility inspections periodically. Dogs cannot stay outdoors on a chain 24/7. They must be socialized with their families living inside the house. . In doing these things, and a few others, the onus is put on the owners to live up to their dogs needs. Then all dogs and potential victims benefit and are protected.

I have had dogs my entire life, and been bitten once because I foolishly approached a dog on a chain that I did not know well. He was a Malamute and took a pretty good chunk. I have adopted and rescued pits for over 30 years, raised my kids, fosters and multiple other species with them and have never had an incident. These dogs are not nearly as hair-triggered as you are led to believe, and there are no unprovoked attacks.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

You are completely right Mr. McAllister. The valid reason is ignorance. Pit Bull is NOT a breed.

Dog fighters created this breed. The breed standard is to attack and fight to the death.

No, they didn't create the breed.

Excellent article, a bracing dose of common sense at a time when it is desperately needed. While thousands of innocent animals every month are being torn apart by pit bulls, there are fatal or disfiguring pit bull attacks on a daily basis, and an american is mauled to death by a pit bull every 2 weeks on average, the shrill denial of the pit bull promoters strikes a surreal and discordant note. Let the truth be told, and let the chips fall where they may.

Statistics please. Nothing more than silly sensationalism without it.

There have been at least three pit bull attacks on children in the past week, and every week, that require victim to be in hospital for weeks, then years of reconstructive surgery. Of course none of the pit bull proponents can provide the same evidence of any other breed ripping people apart this past week or any other week like pit bulls do on a regular basis.

John you've been swallowing too many bad stories from dogbut because they're stories mate not facts or even bordering on facts mate!! pmsl!

Rotties just put a boy in the hospital the other day here in WA

I read about that. Rotts cause second most fatalities, but Pits still lead all other breeds by a long shot. I saw three Pits at the beach last week no on leashes, one on our Greeway. Pit owners have lost their minds.

http://www.dogsbite.org/pdf...

3 unleashed dogs is a people problem not a dog problem. So how do we make people be responsible for their dogs? I dont know why owners of any breed feel they have a right to let their dogs roam, regardless if they are dangerous or not. Not everybody likes dogs. For example where I live there have been instances where the neighbors dog runs out of the yard and jumps on me when I check the mail. Doesnt bother me, the dog wants to say hi, not scared one bit but I love dogs. What bothers me is that somebody else isnt going to be as accepting of the dog saying hi and may harm the dog out of fear. So my question is how do we work on the people problem?

Well I cary pepper spray and a pocket knife. The next pit bull that charges at me at the beach will get a face full of pepper spray. I asked the owners to put them on the leash before they could rush at me, they shot me the bird and i told them I would pepper spray them, only then did they rush to leash their dogs. The difference is that pit bull are more dangerous because of their genetic aggressiveness and unwillingness to let go of another dog or person. You should know this because its common fact on every pit bull website that also is agaist BSL. Me and my dog have been attacked by a Pit and a Mastiff. I now don't have a dog. In Novermber, two months ago, a pit bull I had never seen before was growling at me when I was walking to my car in my own yard. The neighbors boyfriend had brought it over there and they have another nuisance dog that is very aggressive to the UPS driver. I get along great with my neighbor but had to lay down the law and tell her that I would call animal control and also carried pepper spray. She also said that it wasn't a Pit, was an American Bulldog, that is wouldn't hurt anyone, but wasn't even neutered and about a year old, when they start to become more aggressive. When I go for a walk in my neighborhood one block away there is a vicious pit bull that can hop right over a 4' fence, so I have to carry both pepper spray and knife whenever I walk or jog just in case. Its the pit bull owners like yourself and back yard breeders who misinform the public. Every pro pit bull website strongly suggest for all pit bull owners to always cary and break stick. That is unique to pit bulls because they don't release their victims but most pit owners only say how misunderstood their pits are and most really believe their pits are no different than other dogs. Go to any pit bull site and they recognize the specific risk with their pits and how to best handle them to avoid injury to other dogs and people. However, the breed itself is used by dog fighters that contributes another level of burden to society by back yard breeders that overload the shelters with unwanted pits. Also people get these and take them to shelters when they become aggressive. However, Pits are also very affectionate to their owners, even one that killed a baby was called "Licky Face". So no matter what anyone says or does pit bulls will be higher risk and more prone to attack and inflict serious injuries, and because of their ability to climb fences or bolt out of open doors are a higher risk for neighborhoods. However I do help educate the irresponsible owners whenever possible with a face full of pepper spray. I even went to a pit bull forum and asked them how to potent my self from pits running lose and one charging up to me should be considered aggressive.

Responsible ownership is with any dog. Just like driving a car. What I find lacking in your debate, is the fact that you don't know what a pit bull is. Actually there is no breed of pit bull. But if you're getting them confused with American Bulldogs, what else are you confusing?

Well first off where did I say I was a pitbull owner and second how am I mis-informing the public? Im sorry you lost your dog

I don't think its possible to reform society to be responsible pit owners. A million pits are put down every year because of back yard breeders and pits are just too much for most people to manage. Sorry, I was called all kinds of names by pit owners when I disagreed with the video of the 4 year old feeding 6 pit bulls. It also bothers me that I have to think of ways to defend myself against dangerous dogs running free in public areas. Sorry I assumed you were a pit owner and thanks for the kind words about my last dog. This is a frustrating situation, because doing nothing means a million pit bulls get put down every year, yet so many people think BSL supporters are evil and hate dogs, when basic legislation to require 8' fence, muzzled in public, mandatory spay and newter, would drastically reduce pit bull attacks and millions of pits put down at shelters. Thanks for the conversation and questions. Have a good night.

Sir Im sorry that you have to think of ways to defend yourself. Its not right and like I said before people shouldnt be allowing their dogs to roam regardless if they are dangerous or not. Not everyone likes dogs. You are right it is a frustrating thing. I will say that the thoughts of pro and anti people goes both ways. I see it all the time. When this issue comes up mud is slung both ways.
I see what you are saying on legislation but I also see it from the other side. Why not laws for all dog owners, it will still cover pitbulls? Why not enforce the laws already in place? Some attack stories Ive seen, there are multiple complaints and AC fails to something. How do we enact new laws when the ones in place are not working? Also where do you draw the line on what breeds end up on the list?

Now I will ask you this, if your assumption was right, am I still a bad person in your view?

The problem is that you are dismissing the unique threat posed specifically by pit bulls. Everything I said was true about them. They are the only breed that does not let go of its bite and all the pit bull websites recommend owners to always carry a break stick. Owners are going to get complacent when they open the car door and another pet or person gets attacked. The fact is that pit bulls are more dangerous and can't be treated like other dogs. Where did I say you were a bad person? Too many people are misinformed and reckless disregard for public safety will continue resulting in innocent people and pets subjected to horrific attacks by this breed that is being portrayed as harmless and misunderstood. If I only cared about myself I would also capitalize on the sentiments of dog owners. This will be my last post. Best regards.

Post got deleted. I didn't say you were a bad person, as I don't know you. You don't consider pit bulls as higher risk and a danger to public safety. Not my problem. Never said you were a bad person. Because you wen't clear about your intentions or if you owned a pit bull isn't my fault. I was clear that I don't own a dog right now but did have one that was attacked by a pit bull. Sorry don't have any more time for this.

once a pit bull has killed someone it's too late to "work on the people problem"

You are both full of it

Your read it? Didn't see it? Did you "read" it in multiple sources? Or do you just go with what the cult puts under your nose? Many of your cultees also own Rotts. If you have balls, you initiate a ban on Rottweilers.

wow did you call animal control??

Who told you a blog is a source for statistics? One with no credentialed associates contributing, collecting data from online news stories and attempting to pass off the data as statistics.

Yeah, because everyone knows how all the TV stations across the country have gotten together to fabricate videos of imaginary pit bull attacks using stock footage of random citizens to play the part of victims and owners and using PIXAR studios to develop life like animations of the pit bulls being hauled away at the end of catch-poles by actors dressed up in police and AC uniforms. Trying to use news stories, police reports, emergency room reports and interviews with relatives of the victims as proof of pit bull attacks??? Pshaw!! Ridiculous!! How could anyone base statistics on such obviously faked stories and the special effects footage they use to dupe the public into thinking bad about those poor pitti-full innocent widdle pibby wibbles???
Yeah, best to get all statistics and data from unbiased scientific sources with no agenda that don't profit from falsifying the truth about pit bulls like AFF and TLP and BFAS and NCRC and the AVA and the upstanding unbiased people at the good ole ATTS.

Yeah, right.