No point of doctrine has changed.

Welcoming sinners (i.e. human beings) into the Church is Basic Christianity, chapter 2.

So - what earthquake ?

...this is just the media muppets spinning matters and seeking to fabricate an "earthquake".

What 'sinners' ? More to the point why label people as sinners when sin itself does not even exist.

I can assure you it exists, because I sin all the time. You must have been immaculately conceived.

Sin is an imaginary disease, invented to sell you an imaginary cure.

Parrot. Squawk Squawk. You repeat the same phrase over & over again on different threads.

Parrot. Squawk Squawk is all I have ever heard from theists and the church. Brainwashing young children to believe in nonsense.

Like Darwinist evolutionary theory-there was nothing, then there was something or that the infinite complexity of a single cell came about by a random accident let alone the unfathomable complexity of the cosmos, or that man is capable of creating his own perfect ethical system inspite of all the mass slaughter and bloodshed throughout history-thats brainwashing.

It's so easy to just say 'god did it'. No need to provide any evidence. It's magic.

The evidence is all around us in created life-its so easy just to say "it evolved" As I said the simplest life form -a single cell with its complex arrangement of amino-acids is just too complex to have occurred by accident. You must have a lot of faith because you believe that life came from nothing-there was nothing then there was life-that is a fairy tale that requires more faith than those who believe in a creator God.
Google Professor Anthony Flew a leading philosopher and militant atheist who after a life time of telling the world that there was no God-finally concluded that there was a God-recognising that life in its simplest form is too complex to have happened by chance. I admire your faith. The evidence is all around you.

The evidence of a 'creator' is nowhere to be found. Faith is belief without evidence.

Not so. The evidence for a creator is all round you.
Try reading a basic book on Christian Apologetics with an open mind. You might learn something though I strongly suspect you're more comfortable in your ignorance.

Incredible that a believer accuses me of ignorance when fear and ignorance created god in the first place. You choose to believe in a fairy tale so who truly is the ignorant one here?

So as you do not accept that life is the creation of God, then you must "believe" that it came about by accident. Wow! Given the complexity of even a single cell with its very intricate structures-thats some faith you have because it is not based on evidence.

What Pat seems to believe is science based evidence. As do I. As does anyone who understands that "faith" is not evidence. The following link is to an article about actual evidence that supports the big bang theory.
http://space.io9.com/have-p...

Your beliefs are not based on any evidence.

I've stated my evidence the complexity of the most simple form of life and referred to one of the worlds leading proponents of atheism who finally recognised that and accepted that there must be a creator.You believe that life just happened by random chance.Thats a belief not a fact. You must also believe that there is no such thing as love or art , or the mind or consciousness as none of these things can be proven on the basis of empirical evidence.

Your 'evidence' is not evidence. Merely your own assumptions based on your own beliefs and your beliefs are based on no facts at all.
To claim that human emotion is beyond me is incredible. We all share those emotions but we don't all share a belief in a deity. Art is a substance not merely a shadow. You don't need evidence to prove human emotions but to claim a god exists requires real evidence. Evidence that believers can't provide.

I 'm afraid you have ignored my central point -if there is no God or creative force which we call God then you must believe that life came about purely by accident-I stress the word believe because you have no evidence to use your term and therefore just blindly believe that life in all its complexity happened by accident-you have ignored my central point. Even in its simplest form -a single cell it is too complex to have happened by accident -google the leading atheist thinker Professor Flew who rejected your position after a lifetime of militant atheism. Again you do not grasp the point-you keep talking about proof-evidence-this is empiricism and does not always apply-how do you prove love, consciousness, art? -they are not tangible- you cannot empirically prove their existence-that does not mean that they do not exist-the empirical method that you keep referring to is not the only way of "knowing" Go in Peace .

I don't pretend to have the answers like you claim to have.

So what DID do it ?

It wasn't magic.

"Brainwashing" - control techniques pioneered by Communist governments.

Communism is a political ideology. Religion is all about control and brainwashing young children should stop.

Politics and the police are all about control, so let's abolish them, shall we ?

But children must indeed no longer be brainwashed by their elders into secular religions like atheism.

Religion has always been about mind control. Why the need to indoctrinate young children?

Parents and teachers of secular views are just as determined to "indoctrinate" children. To some extent, this is a duty - adults have no right to leave children without guidance.

And in any case, the children are perfectly able to reject the "indoctrination" (and often do) when they reach adolescence.

At least secular parents don't feed their children fairy tales as truth.

Most secular beliefs are fairy tales.

You are making the prior assumption that Christianity is a fairy tale or includes fairy tales. Christians believe the opposite, as they have a perfect right to do.

No. Fairy tales belong solely to religion. Virgin births, talking snakes, talking donkeys, resurrections, etc.

You're working from the prior assumption that the Virgin Birth and the Resurrection couldn't happen, i.e. that God doesn't exist.

But atheism is a fairy tale.

Once again making out that atheism, which relies on the rational, is a fairy tale is incredible considering that theists must accept the irrational and ridiculous as fact.

Atheism is incredible, irrational and ridiculous, yes.

If bad behaviour, cruel words and selfishness aren't sin, what then are they ?

You're working from a false assumption - that God doesn't exist.

The false assumption is that god exists.

Atheist troll with a bee in your bonnet.

You can't handle the truth of your man made religion and man made god.

Even if god doesn´t exists, sin does. Because sin is not against god but against human kind.

Sin comes from the Bible.

They're obnoxious behavior, which most of us have the ability to control. Those who can't would rather lay the responsibility for everything on an imaginary daddy. Learn to work with your conscience.

God is judge as well as daddy. Not an imaginary daddy, nor an imaginary judge. No sane religious believer blames God for his/her own bad behaviour.

By and large, traditionally religious people are vastly more inclined to heed the voice of conscience than are atheists - after all, if Death is the end, why be good ? If conscience isn't the voice of God, why bother with it ?

Few (very few?) atheists are good people. Traditionally religious societies are more law-abiding than secular ones, even though it's the latter who have the modern police forces, the DNA testing, skilled detectives etc.

Sacrificing the earth for paradise is giving up the substance for the shadow - Victor Hugo.

"Those who aim at heaven, get earth thrown in as well. Those who aim at earth, get neither." (C.S. Lewis)

Very few atheists are good people? That is an astonishing statement. Because someone doesn't believe in an imaginary god that makes them automatically bad people. Wow. Plenty of secular societies are law abiding. To maintain that atheists can't have a conscience independent of a non existent deity is incredible.
What you are effectively admitting as a believer is that without the promise of a reward: Paradise or the threat of punishment: eternal torture, you could not behave decently. I don't need the promise of a reward to behave decently.

Most people are law abiding and civilised - that's only commonsensical. But decency is more than that; few people are kind, and atheists even less inclined to be so than religious believers.

Whether you are one of "the Few" I don't of course know.

Everyone has a conscience - but why heed it if death is the end ? That's why religious societies really are more law-abiding.

Again you try to make out that atheists are less kind than religious people. How do you draw that conclusion? I have never harmed anyone or anything in my life. Again you could say that about most people but to try and say because someone is not a theist that they are less kind is nonsense.
Why do you believe that this life is meaningless without the promise of an afterlife? So your family, children, friends etc mean absolutely nothing to you.
The United States is one of the largest Christian societies in the world but it's hardly one of the most law abiding in terms of the murder rate and crime.

My comments about religious versus secular people are based on painful personal experience; I have seen personal kindness rarely outside the Christian world - elsewhere, there's a lot of blather about caring, compassion etc, but no performance.

It's precisely because I and others care about loved ones, that we go to church. If death is the end, how can bereavement be borne ? It's painful enough even with religious faith, often intolerable and incurable without religious faith.

With regard to the US - broadly, half of it is secular and the other half hypocritical.

What does caring about loved ones have to do with going to church? You really live in a fantasy world if you believe in an afterlife. Sadly, death is the end for all of us.
The United States is predominately a Christian nation. The currency has 'In God we Trust'. The military, government, schools all pledge allegiance to god and the flag. And yes I agree with you how hypocritical they are but that hypocrisy often belongs to Christians who preach one thing and practice another.

How do you know death is the end ? How do you know you aren't living in a fantasy world by denying the existence of an afterlife (which is not necessarily, in all cases, a pleasant one) ?

How do you know that human nature doesn't have a spiritual component that outlives death - we must all constantly choices between right and wrong; these are spiritual decisions.

The Founding Fathers of the USA were Deists and Freemasons; the Eye in a Triangle (on the US currency) is a Masonic symbol.

How do you know that there is an afterlife?
Regardless of the founding fathers, the USA is one of the largest Christian countries and one of the most violent.