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Re: http://wyglewideweb.com/post/500085088

Joe Holland — Tue, 06 Apr 2010 09:47:21 -0000

I just switched up my theme and took the plunge to a paid theme. It was worth it. Scaffold was my second choice. Nice look.

Re: http://wyglewideweb.com/post/500085088

Joe Holland — Fri, 09 Apr 2010 10:29:24 -0000

Yeah, I'm looking for a good pic for that. I was digging you're aged, orange wood look. I've always struggled with choosing background pics.

Re: Why I Might Make It

Joe Holland — Fri, 14 May 2010 10:39:00 -0000

And maybe you can. There's no magic number. I just wanted to be sure that if one of my coaches couldn't do as much as he thought, I wouldn't then be left off on my own in a wee-little corner.

Re: What Does The PCA Need To Hear This Year?

Joe Holland — Sat, 15 May 2010 18:23:01 -0000

I'll get to work on the fruit basket. Ken, how do some Virginia peanuts sound? ;-)

I also wanted to point out that I think you two are doing what you're debating at present—discussing two sides of an issue cordially. I'm wondering on a larger PCA scale if both of you would agree that the Keller-Duncan debate on women deacons at last year's GA was a good example of charitable debate over a significant issue. Quiet apart from the content, I know several men who commented on how well Duncan and Keller articulated their position in brotherly love. What do you think?

Re: Why I Might Make It

Joe Holland — Sat, 15 May 2010 18:46:38 -0000

Absolutely. We need younger men wise enough to ask for mentoring. And we need older men bold enough to barge into the pretentious lives of younger men and show them they need mentoring.

Re: Is Diversity In The PCA A Bad Thing?

Joe Holland — Wed, 19 May 2010 17:58:04 -0000

So apparently—according to comments—its a big deal to talk about being more loving but not so big a deal to be more diverse. ;-)

Thanks Sam. Great post.

Re: Presbyterian on Paper

Joe Holland — Sat, 22 May 2010 08:42:45 -0000

The V73 team plans on doing some live blogging from GA. Pretty good bet one of us is going to end up in your seminar. Looking forward to hearing more.

Re: The Overture that was My Fault

Joe Holland — Tue, 25 May 2010 16:10:34 -0000

That's the question. 8-6 seems to imply that what is specific to an elder with powers of evangelist is the administration of the sacraments as a sole present elder. But 58 doesn't address who is directly involved other than the minister although the assumption is that the session is present and likely active in administration. Maybe someone with more knowledge of BCO or precedent can comment.

Re: The Overture that was My Fault

Joe Holland — Tue, 25 May 2010 16:11:29 -0000

Which is why I think its good. I'm not advocating hybrid only just suggesting it be an option since church planting is such a diverse practice.

Re: Alternative Credentialing: Do We Need New Avenues to Ordination?

Joe Holland — Fri, 28 May 2010 12:41:22 -0000

For the sake of stirring the pot, we do already have an alternative credentialing process. It's called Ruling Elder ordination (BCO 24). I don't think we are going to see much change on a denominational level or a presbyterial level until we start seeing change on a sessional level (grass roots something or other). In terms of biblical requirements there is not that much difference between a licensed RE and a TE. It's one thing for us to say, "Hey I want to see ethnically diverse, theologically astute, Jesus-loving, pastorally gifted men planting and leading churches out there." It's quite another thing to say, "I want to see ethnically diverse, theologically astute, Jesus-loving, pastorally gifted men serving with me on my session." And then to take it a step further and make it a reality.

Re: Can We Say We’re Connectional?

Joe Holland — Mon, 07 Jun 2010 17:26:45 -0000

Could Covenant College or Ridgehaven hold the whole assembly? Excuse my ignorance of both institutions. I know the ARP gets full use out of Bonclarken.

Re: 3 Reasons You Should Like the SP Before you Read It

Joe Holland — Fri, 18 Jun 2010 11:46:35 -0000

It was born out of my conviction. Glad it found root with you too.

Re: 3 Reasons You Should Like the SP Before you Read It

Joe Holland — Fri, 18 Jun 2010 12:50:52 -0000

That is the big question facing the PCA. It is also a significant difference in perspective between our older elders and younger elders. I wasn't even born in 1973. So I have never experienced the kind of fortitude in the face of conflict that was required of our founding members. But from stories I've heard, those men would agree with the reasons in this post and probably be able to add a few more.

I'd be interested in hearing what other guys answer your question, Sam.

Re: 3 Reasons You Should Like the SP Before you Read It

Joe Holland — Fri, 18 Jun 2010 16:57:01 -0000

That was my problem. I couldn't really deal with the plan because I approached it with preemptive prejudice. But if I approached the plan assuming the best and found it to be suspicious or condescending then I would be in a much better place to definitively respond rather than just spouting off out of some sort of grump reflex. And I really didn't find the suspicion and condescension in the plan like you did—although I plan to give it another read before GA. It seemed they were tasked with and provided diagnosis and prescription. Albeit, if I were PCA Pontiff, my diagnosis would be less dire and my prescription more conservative.

Re: 3 Reasons You Should Like the SP Before you Read It

Joe Holland — Sat, 19 Jun 2010 14:37:05 -0000

I'm not sure. Someone with more knowledge of the parliamentary history of the PCA would have to answer that question. Pursuing that kind of change is certainly a much better (and biblical) option than becoming embittered.

Re: Live Blogging Issues and Keller-Duncan II

Joe Holland — Thu, 01 Jul 2010 14:07:48 -0000

You can get the audio from the Keller Duncan seminar now.

http://www.barkerproduction...

Re: The 2010 Strategic Plan: Dispelling a Voting Myth

Joe Holland — Fri, 09 Jul 2010 08:53:48 -0000

Ken, I threw the fruit basket money into an open guitar case on one of the side streets of Nashville. The tatted up guy holding the guitar promised to play the Good Ol' Song if I did. Sorry. I'll add some Williamsburg fudge to the Virginia Peanuts tin and have it ready for you next year in Virginia Beach.

Re: No, the PCA isn’t a racist church, but…

Joe Holland — Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:30:13 -0000

Thanks, Rae. I've been pleased to hear this topic tackled in more and more PCA circles.

Re: No, the PCA isn’t a racist church, but…

Joe Holland — Tue, 20 Jul 2010 18:32:41 -0000

I totally agree. Your post reminded me of Thabiti Anyabwile's excellent sermon from T4G in 2008 on the topic of race within the church. It's definitely worth a listen - http://sgm.edgeboss.net/dow...

Re: Full of Sound and Fury

Joe Holland — Thu, 02 Sep 2010 11:36:02 -0000

Another perspective from around the PCA:

If you pay the fee, and if your church pays the fee, an acknowledgment is thereby made by you and your church that you are willing and expect other PCA churches to be willing to fund the AC to do the work the denomination has asked it to do.

Doesn't it feel like the two sides of this debate are talking past each other all the while becoming more entrenched?

Re: Full of Sound and Fury

Joe Holland — Sat, 11 Sep 2010 10:58:47 -0000

Thanks Chris. I'm always grateful for your balanced reasoning and gracious delivery (online and off). I understand the danger of surrendering too much power to "leaders" or even just those we delegate to perform a specific function. At the same time we need to trust people who have differing gifts and experiences than our own to do jobs delegated to them. I'm admitting I don't always know the line between those two poles—surrendering two much power and trusting other men. I also see the merit in discussing minutia—even though (as you nailed me) I'm a big vision guy who has a bad habit of speaking in vague and glowing terms. I know that in my daily ministry I'm constantly having to decide what is the best of use of my limited time—often having to say no to good things. I'm arguing that the same has to be true of our denomination. And I'm also arguing that I'm unsure specifically about the validity of this particular issue. But I was sincerely curious to see the responses above (despite the post written with a tongue-in-cheek slant). Maybe the AC/SP plans do need more discussion than I'd like to give them. I suppose I'll see whether I like it or not. Sorry for the long reply, and thanks again for the response.

Re: 10 Reasons I’m PCA and in the Acts 29 Network

Joe Holland — Fri, 07 Jan 2011 16:43:05 -0000

Thanks man. The network would be better with you in it.

Re: 10 Reasons I’m PCA and in the Acts 29 Network

Joe Holland — Sat, 08 Jan 2011 11:03:36 -0000

Thanks for the question.

I love MNA, have been through MNA church planter assessment, attended a GCA conference, and take advantage of their financial services. I also know folks outside of the PCA that use and appreciate the resources provided by MNA.

I participate in A29 for the same reasons that I use curriculum in addition to those produced by CE&P and GCP, encourage missionaries outside of MTW, went to a college other than Covenant College, went to a seminary other than Covenant, participated in youth conferences outside of Ridgehaven, have retirement accounts outside of PCARBI and so on. And at the same time I love and support those standing committees and ministries of PCA.

God is working in Reformed evangelicalism well beyond the borders of the PCA. To recognize that, encourage that, and participate in that is a crucial aspect of the doctrine of the communion of the saints. And in the end I believe it is more healthy for the PCA as a whole.

Re: 10 Reasons I’m PCA and in the Acts 29 Network

Joe Holland — Sat, 08 Jan 2011 11:19:34 -0000

A few lunches at Stub's and I might be able to convince him/you. ;-)

Re: The Music I Study To: Jazz

Joe Holland — Tue, 25 Jan 2011 08:11:13 -0000

Love the Jazz segment of your study-music series. I realized we have some overlap in the Jazz department. I listen to Coltrane (Favorite Things), Monk (The Composer), Davis (Kind of Blue), Brubeck (The Great Concerts), and one more you should check out—The Free Bridge Quintet (Spanning Time). If I've played out all those then I hit up the Jazz Essentials station on Pandora. Classical is always Schubert or Handel. But I can't study to anything with lyrics. It just gets too distracting.