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Re: Hillary-Hatred Revisited

db08 — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 12:03:59 -0000

Should we ask Bernie while he is campaigning for her? Did you ask him when he said look through anyone's emails and you will find the same including his? Where is the evidence of pay for play? Is accusation enough? What would you ask Lynch? It was the pressure of the media not the Clintons to stop down. There is absolutely no evidence that anything other than a chat from a bored Bill Clinton was going on. You have nothing...

Re: Confederate flag was the flag of traitors

db08 — Sat, 26 Oct 2013 16:52:09 -0000

Not unless you still think you are a citizen of England and pledge to the Queen.

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

db08 — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:21:50 -0000

carolyntroiano..db08 does not stand for debate...these are part of my initials

I am not sure how I spew hatred when I have been fair to Sgt. Crowley and only ask for the same fairness to Gates.

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

db08 — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 08:07:42 -0000

finally freestateyank
If you are so concerned about this issue of race, why have you not address some of the racist comments here...one that is a threat in fact..."Please Gates et al continue. Once the white guilt has expired, you'll get what you have coming"

I don't think this person means any good will.

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

db08 — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 08:03:07 -0000

quite interesting missym,
This forum is indeed a small world. The fact that I might be in the minority here does not make me wrong nor is the majority always right. History and life has taught us that. I have already explain my view but you are not really interested. You have already condemned me as you and even freestateyank who believes she has a silver tongue have prejudged. I have not called anyone here racist or prejudicial. Gates has not either nor has the President. In fact, he stated that he did not know if this was about race. It was the act of arresting this man in his home that troubled him and he called that act stupid.
freestateyank
I find it interesting that Gates' effort to be truthful is not being used against him without question. You nor I know if Gates prejudged based on race. We were not there. We do not know if Crowley prejudged (which I guess you are not willing to even consider). We were not there.

I am willing to give both men the benefit of the doubt. I think that Gates deserves that equal treatment. I am a little tired of a playbook that comes right of the the Jim Crow that says you black people just don't know how to act. "Any mistreatment perceived or real is your own fault. In fact, we believe that so much that we will set up laws that are tantamount to legalized racism."

I like every black parent I know have taught my sons to respect the police and to be very careful with them. I do not want them to come home dead as other innocent black men have. They from their own life experiences as adults have always done so. One works with a police department. They are also terrified of being stopped by the police. You have no idea nor are you willing to listen or consider.

If you are sincere freestateyank, you will go beyond the soundbites and not just pointing the finger at the flaws of blackfolks.

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

db08 — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 01:08:53 -0000

Well freestateyank, I will accept you at your word. Let's just agree to disagree about Gates interview. I will not try to convince you that you are wrong. I start this with comments to the author of this article but many people have taken offense to my views. It still has not been explained why he needed to "cool" off in jail and not in his own home. He was not hurting anyone. He gets to yell in his house.

BTW, I have listened to his interview. I also have read his books and articles and have watched his documentaries. I was born in the Jim Crow era of this country. I think I know a little bit. I am patient and I read and I listen. I have some experience with racism from whites and extreme kindness from whites. I know that people are complex as is life itself. So maybe you need to do a little more digging and reading and listening and not just for the answers you want.

I know that Dr. Wisse does not mean Dr. Gates any good will at all.

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

db08 — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 00:45:57 -0000

freestateyank,
I do not know how being assuming or being afraid of being arrested makes you biased. That is pretty poor logic. It makes you afraid. Gates did not confirm all of the statements in the report. If he did not CHOSE to go outside, you would now be saying that he was uncooperative...but that is what people are saying anyway. oldprofessor said it best...they agreed to disagree and neither apologized....interesting try to say that I am young scholar...Gates also said that he was trying to get his badge number and name and Crowley was refusing to give it. You have conveniently left out his denials of what he did not say.

I know you want me to be wrong freestateyank so you can be more comfortable with your view. You want Crowley on that white horse saving us from that 58 year old 5'5" well educated black man with a cane and hips that have been operated on who had the audacity to yell at a cop...which is still not a crime.

Well Crowley is off the horse, he has shaken hands with Gates and has called him a gentleman. They have agreed to meet again. Gates has bought Ms. Whalen flowers. Gates is continuing his documentary on China. Crowley is continuing his work. Maybe America will be a better place but not for those looking for the perfect hero on the white horse.

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

db08 — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 23:30:45 -0000

Okay gaitgirl, you are disgusted but your statement is still shallow and elitist.

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

db08 — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 23:02:20 -0000

gaitgirl,
Just because you do not understand something does not mean that the grammar is incorrect. The point about Harvard sounds a bit shallow and elitist and pretty angry.

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

db08 — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 22:53:39 -0000

gaitgirl, I never said anything about Dr. Wisse being Jewish or anti-black. I do not know anything about her. I raised questions about how well did she really know his work and that she simplified the issues he raises in his work. That does not make her anti-black. Perhaps you are projecting.

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

db08 — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 22:48:37 -0000

gaitgirl, you have made an accusation without clarification...

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

db08 — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 22:45:35 -0000

Bless you oldprofessor
you have tried to bring reason to this unreasonable discussion....

As for missym, you hardly sound like your are happy in this discussion and you are definitely not progressive or liberal...actually you sound very confused

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

db08 — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:26:30 -0000

missym
you stated that Crowley was not allowed to search Gates' home for other suspect by Gates...thus interference with an investigation

retire05
Yes, Gates may have said that after being arrested but why was he initially...because he was allegedly yelling in his own home (not against the law).

Frankly, his statement about "whitey" which was written when he was 18 years old may have been foreshadowing...is he not being judged by some whites who do not know him or his work, who were not there, and what has been said about him, as a racist. He has grown in that 40 years, I am not sure that others have kept up.

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

db08 — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 09:32:45 -0000

missym
if that were true, he would have been arrested for interfering with an investigation

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

db08 — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 08:49:27 -0000

I owe Dr. Wisse one apology for calling her Dr. Kisse. It was an error on my part.

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

db08 — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 08:36:27 -0000

Well said capedcrusader.

It also does not mean that one hates the police to suggest that one police officer made a mistake or acted rashly. It is also not a reflection on all police officers. It does not diminish the work the Sgt. Crowley has already done and will continue to do. He will be stronger for it.

IF Dr. Gates overreacted, it does not make him a bad person. It also does not make him a criminal. It does not diminish his work or future work. I am sure his current documentary on China will be outstanding as his other documentaries have been. He will also be stronger.

I wish both Dr. Gates and Sgt. Crowley and their families all the best.

Will we be stronger as a nation? Reading many of the comments here and Dr. Kisse letter makes me doubtful at times. I have to wonder what great documentaries has Dr. Kisse created. Whose lives has she touched in a positive way as Dr. Gates has and suspect Sgt. Crowley has as well?

Nonetheless, as a liberal and a Democrat, I have fought for the principles of this country, I have great hopes for America and I always will.

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

db08 — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 00:27:46 -0000

don't hold your breathe barrybonds,
Some people want to only to see evil in Dr. Gates and President Obama and Sgt. Crowley as the sainted knight on a white horse. They will not accept anything less.

They will say that the charges were dropped because Dr. Gates pulled strings, that the black people in power conspired to free him from a righteous arrest.

That is the problem isn't it though. Black people exercising their power as citizens and as human beings.

You can say again and again that Crowley made a mistake and they will fight until the end that he was on his white horse saving well who was he saving?

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

db08 — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:37:23 -0000

hughgknutts
You raise the issue of relations with other races when you pointed out Crowley's efforts in race relations as if to say that he is infallible and cannot make mistakes. So, what is good for Crowley is good for Gates. But, I know that you would probably die rather than acknowledge that Gates is a human being like Crowley.

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

db08 — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:31:54 -0000

sorry zdale
I happen to know that people from MIssouri are smarter than that but you individually are asking to scrap the bottom of the barrel and I cannot reach that far. In fact, you know that you are unreachable.

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

db08 — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:27:43 -0000

toddv
you are asking me to prove something that did not happened. show us the tape, the interview, the writing by Gates in which he called Crowley a racist.
Gates did not commit a crime and he should not have been arrested.
It is not a bold assumption.

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

db08 — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:23:04 -0000

you got the wrong person...that was someone who was addressing me. Try to keep it straight.

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

db08 — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:02:13 -0000

HughGKnutts
And Dr. Gates had a white wife and two biracial children if we want to play that game. He has tons of white friends and colleagues.

I know it is hard to accept that he, Sgt. Crowley made an error. I guess that somehow you think it reflects on you. It does not. We all make mistakes. I know that all of America loves Crowley. I am sure he is a nice guy. Of course, I am not looking to villify him. I have no stake in that. In this case, he was wrong.

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

db08 — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:54:13 -0000

zdale
do you know what racebaiting is? have you read any of his work? do you know or care that he was returning from working on a documentary in China. or is it that any investigation of the lives of other people is considered racebaiting? any examination on how race affects anyone's life considered racism? If so, we will never understand it and it will always be with us.

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

db08 — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:41:45 -0000

missym
Crowley did not report that. He already knew no one else was in the house. He knew that Gates was the owner. He did not go in and search after Gates came out.

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

db08 — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:31:02 -0000

cesium12
We can take more than you can dish any day. How do you know if what Dr. Kisse is true? I am not assuming an agenda. I based it on what she has written and her failure as a "colleague" to at least talk to Dr. Gates and listen to his version. She is assuming that he said those things. I have not seen the testimony that three officer heard what Dr. Gates said. Please send the link. Based on the report, I believe, Crowley arrived alone so how could they have heard the alleged racist statements. They are supporting him and that is their right. But the facts are, they were not in ther room according to Crowley.
Because Dr. Kisse and obviously you do not understand Dr. Gates work (have you read any? in depth not just looking for what you could call racist tidbit), does not mean it is nuttiness.
Last I checked Harvard is a private institution.
BTW, I do not think Crowley is a racist. I think he made a mistake. He used race to justify his mistake. Gates has never called him a racist that the other police officers heard or the witnesse or the tape. So, he made a mistake and used poor judgement. I know that is hard for some to believe.
I think we can all learn from this about human encounters and what can go wrong and what can go right. I believe what Crowley said after meeting Gates as I believe what Gates said.
But, I know, that is very "liberal" of me.