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Re: Penn & Teller claims organic food is “bullshit”, fails to mention that their expert is paid by Monsanto

DavidCOG — Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:22:16 -0000

Scott,

You need to try and separate GMO propaganda from reality. Here are a couple of starters for you:

- Genetically engineered corn and soybeans in the United States for more than a decade has had little impact on crop yields despite claims that they could ease looming food shortages. http://www.google.com/hoste...

- Failure to yield. The promise of higher yields from GM crops has proven to be empty. http://www.ucsusa.org/food_...

Your wide-eyed, ignorant gullibility is pitiable.

Re: Penn & Teller claims organic food is “bullshit”, fails to mention that their expert is paid by Monsanto

DavidCOG — Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:19:47 -0000

Hi Scott,

Thanks for your valuable contribution to this thread.

Did you read all of my earlier comments? In case you didn't, this one could've been written just for you:

> The other non-scientific indicator that organic = good and GMO = bad is the type of people on either side of the argument. The pro-GMO are very often ranting and abusive with no substantive arguments. They simply hate people who are against a product that might improve their country's GDP or take away their 49 cents burgers.

I see you're still at school. I suggest you spend a little more time reading and learning, and a little less time posting juvenile abuse on the internet. Good luck.

Re: The Swedish government completes its climate wrecking track record with a pro-nuclear vote

DavidCOG — Sun, 27 Jun 2010 15:52:12 -0000

Hey Simon.

Wow. That is certainly something we don't expect from our civilised Swedish neighbours! I guess there are greedy sociopaths everywhere. :(

I notice that your problems come from your conservative political group - it seems they are the same everywhere... which makes me concerned about what us Brits have in store for the next 4+ years with our new conservative government. :/

All the best,

David.

Re: The Swedish government completes its climate wrecking track record with a pro-nuclear vote

DavidCOG — Thu, 24 Jun 2010 15:15:47 -0000

Thanks for this analysis, Simon. I think it is almost as disappointing for those of us who point to Sweden as a model for environmental excellence as it is for you when you live there.

Hopefully your fellow countrymen and women see sense in September.

Re: Scientific Consensus on Global Warming

DavidCOG — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:09:57 -0000

Well said! More people need to speak out as strongly as this.

The Deniers had their time in the sun, it's time for the rational and scientifically literate to move on and start working towards solutions.

Re: Penn & Teller claims organic food is “bullshit”, fails to mention that their expert is paid by Monsanto

DavidCOG — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:31:06 -0000

Excellent points. "On-loan-from-nature prices" is particularly on target.

Also, as you say, soil depletion is a massive issue - http://www.tjclark.com.au/c... - once the oil runs out and we don't have tons of chemical fertiliser to dump on the fields, crop yield is going to plummet.

The other non-scientific indicator that organic = good and GMO = bad is the type of people on either side of the argument. The pro-GMO are very often ranting and abusive with no substantive arguments. They simply hate people who are against a product that might improve their country's GDP or take away their 49 cents burgers.

Re: Gore compares global warming skeptics to moon landing deniers

DavidCOG — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:50:52 -0000

What's naive - ignorant, in fact - is the belief that climate scientists are saying what you think they are.

It's called climate change *mitigation*. That means *not making it worse than it already is*.

It demonstrates how confidently ignorant so many people are about this. They're certain they understand the issues and then open their mouths to prove that they clearly do not.

To repeat: you Deniers have no credible scientific argument and no political representation anywhere on the planet. Nothing. No one is listening to you.

Done.

Re: Gore compares global warming skeptics to moon landing deniers

DavidCOG — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 10:34:55 -0000

The assertion that moving to clean, renewable energy sources will result in economic meltdown or mass job losses is as false as any of the other Denier talking points.

You just need to educate yourself about what is happening in other countries, e.g. http://www.businessweek.com...

You have a choice: move away from fossil fuels now and prosper or stick with it and decline. It seems many Americans are determined to become a dirty, third world country, driven by a fear of change and progress.

Good luck with that plan.

Re: Gore compares global warming skeptics to moon landing deniers

DavidCOG — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:23:08 -0000

This may come as a surprise: scientists do not need to convince every scientifically illiterate American before they confirm a scientific theory. That's not how it works.

Your personal incredulity and ignorance are of no interest to anyone but yourself.

P.S. Try to lose your unhealthy obsession with Al Gore - he's not responsible for the evidence and science.

Re: Gore compares global warming skeptics to moon landing deniers

DavidCOG — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 08:56:13 -0000

You Deniers deny different things - and some of you deny the planet is warming. They're here in these comments - "No warming since 1998!", which is factually wrong (2005 is highest with 2009 highest ever ocean temperature) as well as massively ignorant with regards trend analysis.

The rest of your comments are equally clueless.

Bottom line: you Deniers have no credible scientific argument and no political representation anywhere on the planet. Nothing. You are the equivalent of creationists - get used to be laughed at because it's only going to get worse.

Re: Gore compares global warming skeptics to moon landing deniers

DavidCOG — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 05:48:58 -0000

That's kind of funny - the entire point is that these people are not 'skeptics'. A skeptic is:

> Someone who habitually doubts beliefs and claims presented as accepted by others, requiring strong evidence before accepting any belief or claim.

The evidence for global warming is massive - just as it is for the moon landings and a non-flat earth. These people simply deny the evidence exists even when it is pushed under their noses. They continue to push long-debunked talking points. They are not 'skeptics', they are 'deniers' and the title for this piece should really read:

> Gore compares global warming deniers to moon landing deniers

Re: Penn & Teller claims organic food is “bullshit”, fails to mention that their expert is paid by Monsanto

DavidCOG — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:57:55 -0000

Good points.

I'm too busy with global warming deniers to really get stuck in to this GMO issue, but the little digging that I've done has produced a *lot* of dirt. E.g. http://www.google.co.uk/sea... This is a corporation that will do anything to increase profits.

Also, the environmental impact of GMO is very bad. There seems to be no benefits to GMO - other than massive profits to a few chemical corporations.

Re: Penn & Teller claims organic food is “bullshit”, fails to mention that their expert is paid by Monsanto

DavidCOG — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:32:15 -0000

Ah yes - 'common sense logic' in place of evidence and science. No, thanks.

> Many genetically engineered plants provide a higher yield...

Evidence? Monsanto sales literature does not count. Try this:

"The use of genetically engineered corn and soybeans in the United States for more than a decade has had little impact on crop yields despite claims that they could ease looming food shortages" - http://www.google.com/hoste...

More here: http://www.ucsusa.org/food_...

You've been fooled by the GM propaganda - or you're trying to sell it.

P.S. I notice you couldn't provide a single piece of evidence to back up your original claim. I know why that is.

Re: Penn & Teller claims organic food is “bullshit”, fails to mention that their expert is paid by Monsanto

DavidCOG — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:57:31 -0000

> First, I'm writing a comment, not a blog...

So, one rule for others and a different one for you. You insist other people should be "providing evidence to support your claim" - but you don't need to.

> ...I'm not going to provide pages of citations.

Just one would do. A single, credible citation that provides evidence for your claim - "if we switch to organic, we won't have enough food to feed the world."

Just one.

Re: Penn & Teller claims organic food is “bullshit”, fails to mention that their expert is paid by Monsanto

DavidCOG — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:17:20 -0000

> ...if we switch to organic, we won't have enough food to feed the world.

and then:

> ...instead of providing evidence to support your claim...

Spot the hypocrisy?

Re: Penn & Teller claims organic food is “bullshit”, fails to mention that their expert is paid by Monsanto

DavidCOG — Wed, 12 Aug 2009 06:58:01 -0000

One other thing: if the organic markets are growing, it's because that's what people want. The organic industry is up front and proud. The GMO industry hide themselves, lobbying against food being labelled as GMO. They hide their products through a network of seed companies that have no labelling that tells you they are GMO products.

Why do you think that is?

People do not want GMO.

Re: Penn & Teller claims organic food is “bullshit”, fails to mention that their expert is paid by Monsanto

DavidCOG — Wed, 12 Aug 2009 06:57:13 -0000

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Re: Penn & Teller claims organic food is “bullshit”, fails to mention that their expert is paid by Monsanto

DavidCOG — Wed, 12 Aug 2009 06:53:22 -0000

Let's remind you of what you said: "...Organic Foods is just another type of big business just like Exxon Mobil."

Your example of 'Organic Foods' is *tiny* in comparison to Exxon - which is a nonsense comparison anyway - they're different industries.

Whole Food Markets is *tiny* in comparison to any of the established names in grocery - so your comparison fails again. You've shown no evidence of corruption from the organic industry, whereas there is mountains of it for the GMO industry as they pollute, litigate and muscle their way around the world. Again you fail to demonstrate what you claim to be true.

It's not *my* logic, reasoning and evidence that is flawed.

P.S. Amongst other things you've failed to work out: there's a 'Reply' button under each comment so that you can respond directly - that way people will know that you've commented to them.

Re: Penn & Teller claims organic food is “bullshit”, fails to mention that their expert is paid by Monsanto

DavidCOG — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 17:06:40 -0000

As compared to Safeway at $10 billion for one *quarter*. Or Wal-Mart at $400 billion for 2008.

Regardless, there's no *evidence* of any unethical behaviour from anyone apart from Monsanto and the GMO industry.

Re: Penn & Teller claims organic food is “bullshit”, fails to mention that their expert is paid by Monsanto

DavidCOG — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 15:09:26 -0000

Nice try, but Exxon admitted they'd funded deniers and said they would stop.

Re: Penn & Teller claims organic food is “bullshit”, fails to mention that their expert is paid by Monsanto

DavidCOG — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 15:04:06 -0000

P.S. While we're waiting for my first reply to clear moderation (includes links): 'Denier' means more than just denying that global warming is real. It also means those who deny the consequences or the urgency with which we must act. Cato and the lying, astroturfing propagandists it employs are *Deniers*.

Re: Penn & Teller claims organic food is “bullshit”, fails to mention that their expert is paid by Monsanto

DavidCOG — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 15:00:24 -0000

Is that your evidence that "Organic Foods is just another type of big business just like Exxon Mobil."? A small organic grocer?! Are you serious? By that logic anyone that sells anything is evidence of a conspiracy.

No, the only multi-billion corporations involved in this game are the GMO companies - and they have a long and sordid history of doing whatever they can to protect their market and increase their profits. They sue farmers, bribe officials, run false advertising and pollute the environment - all in the name of the mighty dollar and the quest to control our food: http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Re: Penn & Teller claims organic food is “bullshit”, fails to mention that their expert is paid by Monsanto

DavidCOG — Sun, 09 Aug 2009 14:38:27 -0000

Michaels produces only a wealth of distortion and lies: http://scienceblogs.com/del...

Lindzen has no more credibility: http://www.logicalscience.c...

Yeah, I hear about these "thousands of scientists" a lot - both from global warming deniers and creationists. Never seen any evidence though.

I'll listen to the massively overwhelming scientific consensus and peer reviewed science before paying attention to a libertarian propaganda organisation. In fact, I can't imagine anything that I would listen to libertarian on: http://web.inter.nl.net/use...

It's absolutely clear what the issue and what we must do to solve it: stop pumping billions of tons of carbon pollution in to the atmosphere every year. And we need to do that *now*. Your Bjorn Lomborg-approved shtick about malaria is not persuasive.

Re: Penn & Teller claims organic food is “bullshit”, fails to mention that their expert is paid by Monsanto

DavidCOG — Sat, 08 Aug 2009 10:51:25 -0000

> ...Organic Foods is just another type of big business just like Exxon Mobil.

So who is going to benefit from organic farming - apart from individual farmers and the environment that we all need for a healthy life? Which mega-corporation is going to rake in millions of $$$s from organic produce? How does it compare to the profits of Monsanto and Dow Chemicals?

Re: Penn & Teller claims organic food is “bullshit”, fails to mention that their expert is paid by Monsanto

DavidCOG — Sat, 08 Aug 2009 10:47:51 -0000

thinkst:

> ...Cato Institute is funded almost entirely by individual donors. The amount of money ExxonMobile contributes is a very tiny fraction, by comparison.

True - but who are these individuals? ExxonMobil board members, perhaps?

Regardless, Cato's global warming denial agenda is blatant and undeniable. They (like most / all libertarians) are anti-science when it conflicts with their religious / political ideology. Getting climate science from Cato is like getting information on race relations from the KKK.