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Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

barrybonds — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 18:52:55 -0000

Oldpro, there is one undisputable fact that we are all aware of that sheds a very clear light on who is right and who is wrong in this case: THE CHARGES WERE DROPPED.

Previously you mentioned that saying a man cannot be arrested in his home is a simplistic argument. I agree. It is very simple and anyone who trys to muddy it up with other cases and generalizations is drastically missing the point.

Irrespective of any other case this case involved a man which should not have been arrested on his own property. And I base this strictly on the police report which is again why the argument was made and why the case was dropped. This argument was not made without knowledge of the fact that there are cases where people are a danger to themselves and others and are still within their home and should be arrested. This is not that case. And for you to try and equate the two in an effort to dimish the fact: Gates should have never been arrested, is a prime example of the uncontested b.s. this case generates.

I hope people on juries don't try to equivocate like you have, but I am sure they do. Blind justice is not so blind and not so just.

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

barrybonds — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 17:41:43 -0000

This debate is filled with so many inaccuracies, innuendo and out right lies. There is no wonder people resort to looking at this very unique case through sterotypical eyes. If I were on the other side I doubt I would pay as much attention. But since I am black, I have to look for a deeper truth - a deeper understanding. Without it I and my people will continue to lose. Rarely is a case so clear cut and yet still mischaracterized.

Republicans are ignoring their "core values" because their race trumps their political beliefs. Republicans say they are for freedom of speech (so Rush Limbaugh can say whatever he wants to), and less government intrusion (so corporations can do whatever they want to). That is theire mantra and they will ram it down your throat if you don't believe them. BUT in the case of Gates they are willing to throw that out the window in order to support their white freedom of speech squashing, government intruding police officer. Heck, they call the President of the United State racist because he called another man's ACTIONS "stupid". Bizzaro land is beautiful!

At the end of the day if a guy wants to be paid as a professional police officer he should act as such. Everyone here loves the idea of sympathizing with the cop but I am sure he isn't being forced to be a cop. I am sure it is based on his own decision. Do they do a great service to the community? Of course, so do a lot of other people, Professor Gates included.

Like Bill Maher said: "America is stupid" and we all know who he is talking about.

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

barrybonds — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 01:18:06 -0000

Sorry but this isn't a "code red" as in the fictional Marines - it isn't in the rule books but it is a part of common procedures. Crowley was wrong. Plain and simple. You can wax eloquent about why he might have done what he did but the fact still remains. He arrested an innocent man. And there is nothing in his report which stated that the officer was afraid that Gates would harm himself or anyone else.

And please present the evidence which states that "almost always" disorderly conduct charges are dropped.

Also, the officer reported that he warned gates twice. You typed that it was three times. That misrepresentation of the report leads me to believe that you haven't read the report. Not surprising.

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

barrybonds — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 00:13:44 -0000

It so surprising how so many people can simply see what they want to see in this situation.

Gates an innocent man in his own home is arrested and the CHARGES ARE DROPPED and still people are symapthizing with the guy who perpetrated the crime because he wears a badge (is white).

THE CHARGES WERE DROPPED. I don't think I can type that enough. THE CHARGES WERE DROPPED. Can ANYONE address that part of the issue? Please explain why the CHARGES WERE DROPPED and still Sgt Crowley is the salt of the earth?

I'll wait.

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

barrybonds — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 00:06:15 -0000

Again, more people assuming the police report is the gospel.

Did you hear the joke about the four cops who were caught on their own tape plotting a crime against an innocent citizen? Yeah, well it appears these four cops just couldn't let their buddy get in trouble so they cooked up the report to make it look like it was the innocent citizens fault for the accident which the cop caused.

I'm going to leave it out there again.

Sorry to tell you Carolyn but only criminals and people suspected of committing a crime should EVER be locked up. We don't use the law to teach innocent people manners.

Also, the President had all the pertinent facts because as you well know the charges were dropped so I also agree, it is stupid to arrest and innocent person. What other facts did the President need in order to make that comment?

Also Carolyn, tin hat much?

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

barrybonds — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:16:59 -0000

So let me get this straight: my argument is failed because YOU interjected your own assumptions into/regarding my inference?

Sorry, no rational THINKING person would make that leap.

"In fact, it is the very definition of racism...to prejudge someone based upon the actions of others within a group. That's what you did." Man, you're insane. Do you know that the group we're discussing is police officers right? Shouldn't I be considered a careerist? Jobist? Pigist? Based on your latest statement it has become abundantly clear to me that you are failed/flawed - egregiously.

Sgt Crowleys problem has less to do with his race and everything to do with his job. Him being a liar isn't a function of his race it is a simple function of his job. He has to lie in order to justify his actions as a police not as a white person. This issue isn't based on race. It's base on right and wrong. The officer was wrong and gates was well within his Rights. As you may or may not know there is no law against being rude, or disrespectful to police officers.

Also, in case you didn't know: THE CHARGES WERE DROPPED! Deal with that instead of trying to use....wait for it.... wait for it... the race card! Hahahahahhaha......hahahhaah.....bwahhhhhaahahahaha......

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

barrybonds — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:35:37 -0000

I don't understand how everyone can miss the fact that the President said he didn't have all the facts yet, he went on to recite all the pertinent information. And based on the information he had he was legitimately able to come up with his own conclusion which is Crowley was stupid in his actions.

In case no one else noticed the case has still been DROPPED! That means Crowley's arrest was thrown out, rendered null, IGNORED by the Boston legal system, etc. etc.

Sorry folks the only person who should apologize is the person who falsely arrested the other guy. I hope he gets sued.

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

barrybonds — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:57:50 -0000

Because I didn't neatly wrap it up for you and put a bow on it you as I previously stated LEAPED to your own conclusion. You didn't see "could" and you didn't see me say explicitly that Crowley was lying. I do believe he is a liar, but he isn't a liar because the Florida cops are liars. You are the one who came up with an explination as to why I included the Florida cops incident in my Crowley/Gates observations. So again, it's a flaw of your own making.

Sorry, you interjected your own reasoning. You didn't see "could" and you didn't see "is a liar".

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

barrybonds — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:40:22 -0000

Everyone is a racist if you take the Glenn Beck definition as purported by him on his radio show.

Sorry but the term racist use to be reserved for someone who actually thought that one race was INFERIOR to another simply because of their race. Now the word has been hijacked to mean a whole consortium of things from when you talk bad about someone or when you criticize the actions of someone. And it doesn't even have to do anything with race. Because Obama called a man stupid and of course is now a racist because of it.

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

barrybonds — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:11:26 -0000

Fine, I will use your example and i will show you where you were wrong, and after the point has been made i will ask you to apologize to all the community colleges out there for your grandstanding at their expense.

FIRST: My contention is that most of the posters here who are anti-Gates are doing so with the aid of solely the police report. My question is why are we taking it for the gospel?

SECOND: I presented a modern day case where police have lied for less "weighty" reasons.

SO: You should look at Crowley as someone who COULD be lying because there have been recorded instances of cops who HAVE lied in the exact same manner, by using reports - which is probably their second favorite weapon of choice.

So what you've have done is taken the leap to your own perceived advantage. So I will correct your statement: "Gates is black and other black men have lied, therefore Gates [COULD] also lying."

There all better!

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

barrybonds — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:41:06 -0000

Sorry but I am not going to be responsible for your lack of understanding. Where is the flaw in believing that a cops report should be questioned and adding support to that assertion? Do you think other cops don't know that reports should be questioned? What about defense attorneys? What about internal affairs? I guess their suspicion of cops reports is flawed too.

For you cops are perfect and infallible. And anyone doubting that is wrong. For me, not so much.

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

barrybonds — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:22:11 -0000

Sorry, but I never stated the reports facts were wrong. I'm just wondering why they are never questioned. Strike that last statement: I'm wondering why people in the anit-Gates camp aren't questioning the report. The story I mentioned was only an example of multiple cops being capable of a lie, not that this cop was lying (which I strongly believe he is).

So....flawed analysis on your part. Or reading... or comprehension. Which ever one you're willing to wear.

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

barrybonds — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:17:15 -0000

If Crowley's behavior in this case is such an example of the right thing to do then there would be NO ONE IN JAIL. Why because Crowley had his charges dropped. I'm sure he didn't like that.

What's crazy is that he had all this support from black cops. Didn't the person responsible for dropping the case know this? If not then they should be reminded. Crowley had support from the black officers which is ostensibly support from the black community. This is obviously a "cover-up" going all the way up to the White House!

Oh and I like the way everyone is ignoring the one KNOWN fact - the charges were dropped!

I think it bears repeating: THE CHARGES WERE DROPPED!

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

barrybonds — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:57:39 -0000

I wonder why so many people are so sure about the "facts" of the case? Oh, it's because they "read" the police report. If that is the case I surely don't want to shatter their world with a case coming out of Florida where 4 cops conspired against a lady because, get this - the cop ran into her rear end. Google it. Why? Because Google is your friend. What's even better... the cops taped themselves plotting the crime. Classic.

Re: The Harvard Crimson :: Opinion :: A Colleague's Concerns

barrybonds — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:49:29 -0000

I hope you people who are commenting aren't in any way affiliated with Harvard. Well, then again I hope you are.

Number one, why are we taking the police report as gospel? Does it seem logical that Professor Gates would say "Why because I am a black man in America," as a response to Sgt. Crowley saying he was investigating a break-in at his residence? Then when Sgt. Crowley asks if there is anyone else in the house Professor Gates calls the man a "racist". Does that make ANY sense? Does it sound normal for a harvard professor to say "ya, I'll speak with your mama outside" as reported by the cop? What about all the "yelling" the officer said Gates was doing. What would he be yelling about and why was none of this yelling articulated by the officer.

As someone who has been a victim of false police reports I know these guys lie and if you don't know these guys lie either you're lucky or naive. Either way, you shouldn't be judging the actions of someone else having to deal with cops its not a fun experience.

One difinitive way of knowing who was right and wrong in this case is to look at the fact that the CASE WAS DROPPED! And this happened BEFORE the President spoke about it. Also, Crowley worked for Harvard before so do you think this is his first time having a run in with a Harvard professor? Hey Crowley, payback much?