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Re: $800

LudolfVieken — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:31:40 -0000

myself did not read so much about 911 - more about the surrounding circumstances and given Iraq war lies and the huge falsifications of history, especially in our local aspects, nothing makes me wonder in politics of today. Sort of nightmare. But sure it's worth it investigating the details.

Re: $800

LudolfVieken — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:25:22 -0000

thanks for explaining statistics, lobro. didn't know that with the multiplication (product) of the probabilities of the events (different points). And so the official story has too many holes- even the simple argument is good, with those 19 arab students from Hamburg, improbable story for normal thinking also.. that they could succeed highjacking and flying 4 Boings at the same time.

Re: Wednesday, December 3, 2009

LudolfVieken — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:11:07 -0000

typo: "wish" not whish
..but no wonder it is, when they abandon Christendom, those self righteousc progressives put Marx, Mao, Madoff, Trotzky (like Neocons), Lenin, Sharon, Einstein or I&I in place of God and swear on talmud or the Kapital.

Re: Wednesday, December 3, 2009

LudolfVieken — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:33:34 -0000

Xymphora: 4. # If all the old people were ice floed (probably a good idea anyway; btw, the Inuit don't do it), Americans would have legal gay marriage in all but the most hillbilly places (speaking of the geighs, I can see where this confusion could create a lot of problems).
5. # I thirst!

This can only be meant:

ice floe - n (Earth Sciences / Physical Geography) a sheet of ice, of variable size, floating in the sea See also ice field [1]
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged 6th Edition 2003. © William Collins Sons & Co. Ltd 1979,

So Xymphora, combined with your opinion in the previous article about:

"Pol Pot's apology
... talk about the self-renunciation of Charles Johnson... doesn't get excused for being a monster doesn't mean that his list of morons isn't a good one. It is important to note that the anti-science crowd is the same as the racist, homophobic, misogynist, fascist, conservative, Republican crowd. The Bloggers For Exxon can...."

YOU or has this Xymphora- blog been sold out - (he/she/it) express your whish to exterminate the old people, to get through with gay marriage ??
Just to ask why in our times now so many politicians in the West are gay and Zionist streamlined ? in addition is to suspect that "self acclaimed righteous progressives", (read again Xymphoric litany above) - that they have a hidden trend to cruelty and murderous thinking ? Does Xymphora enjoy the picture of the dead Palestinian child on his blog site, while indulging in "blood-dripping-fangs" ? ? Coming out as a full killer- Zionist ?
Thanks this is digusting and not worth reading anymore (haven't followed your links) and if this should be irony, it isn't right it isn't decent.

Re: Pol Pot's apology

LudolfVieken — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:26:12 -0000

Just noted the parallel themes, Charles Johnson uses in his "renunciation" and Xymphora's recent attacks on:
- fascists, both in America and EU - bigotry, hatred, and white supremacism
while they mostly call for national independence and selfdetermination of the indigenous people---
- anti-science bad craziness (see: creationism, climate change denialism - (=blogger for Exxon -)
( him/her/it =blogger for Shell and climate tax for Wallstreet?)
- anti-government lunacy -
(when politicians are robbing their countries for International finance' greed.)
- conspiracy theories and hate speech ..- A right-wing blogosphere that is almost universally dominated by raging hate speech .. - Hatred for President Obama

so Xymphora: - The fact he doesn't get excused for being a monster doesn't mean that his list of morons isn't a good one. It is important to note that the anti-science crowd is the same as the racist, homophobic, misogynist, fascist, conservative, Republican crowd. The Bloggers For Exxon can....

Maybe not on purpose but as self declared righteous progressives trained to think in these terms, - all those categories and dividing people, and keeping them busy to think about that, instead of being aware of the on going economic, human and social catastrophes and the background of it.

Re: The demon-haunted blogosphere

LudolfVieken — Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:03:25 -0000

another problem with "socialism" is the different definitions of the term. Marxists think they own it, as they think they can explain history purely materialistic. . followed by catastrophic failures with about 100 million dead.. and they ignore it. (only in South-America there may be other arguments at the time). But today the big corporations and bankers don't call their program with any of the old terms, but it has to be observed how they dissown the middle class, thereby destroy independent structures in societies (not only in the "West"). They dissown indigenous farmers even in India (Monsanto for example), South America, and bring the land in their possession.. and the markets.
That amounts to a bolshevic strategy under a different name "market liberalism" or something. But realy it's more a dictatorship of international finance and certain oligarchs.. just to compare with what happened in Russia at Yeltsin's time.

Re: The demon-haunted blogosphere

LudolfVieken — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:35:41 -0000

... how Xymphora's postings are becoming unintelligible: what is blogosphere? You meaning political and science information and argument? don't know how many sites of disinfo there are, but some at least provide investigation, documents, and reports, that are not represented by mainstream papers and media that are owned by Zionist oligarchs, ..
As Jade provided info on Shell's backing the climate-change clownerie (Al Gore) that is a new TAX and pushing energy prices high as they are. Also the big corporations and finance want to build new nuclear plants and again make profit on them. But NOT considering that saving energy, less cars, air traffic, war, consumption and less waste - ist the answer.. only that the mountains of debts the Wallstreet- and London finance have forced on Western countries - even Kuwait and Island - these debts cannot be payed at all and not even the interests can be satisfied, and not by a CO² tax, and a further growth of the economies is illusionary.

Re: $800

LudolfVieken — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:58:49 -0000

That is ridiculous, Xymphora. The evidence (screw loose c) against the nano thermite theory:
Professor Marie-Paule Pileni first heard about he article when videnskab.dk wrote to her to ask for her professional assessment of the article’s content....
“I resign as the editor in chief”, was the abrupt answer in an email... I have written to Bentham that I resign from all activities with them... Pileni, who is professor with a specialty in nanomaterials at the renowned Universite....
She feels not only stabbed in the back (!), but is puzzled that the article on dust analysis following the terror attack .. could at all have found its way to the Open Chemical Physics Journal. .. “I cannot accept that this topic is published in my journal. The article has nothing to do with physical chemistry or chemical physics, (!) and I could well believe that there is a political viewpoint behind its publication (!)...
The editor-in-chief’s dramatic departure gives critics additional reason to doubt the article’s conclusions, but Marie-Paule Pileni points out that because the topic lies outside her field of expertise, she cannot judge whether the article in itself is good or bad..(!)

that is such a distorted logic by itself, that one must have a political interest to believe it, and then to discuss Bentham's reputation instead of Thermite and why it can be concluded from the circumstances of the case, that explosives have to be investigated. That should be discussed.
Like others here said, the truthseeders as they are called, demand an investigation, as also often into the official theory about the reasons for the aggressions against Iraq, Lenanon, Afghanistan, Gaza,. into the official written history, gas ovens, finance.. the same as Ron Paul demands inquiry into the role of the FED.
And those who defend lies, be them the offial ones, try to avoid an open inquiry.. so their arguments are weak, they have to avoid facts and use defamation until they complain that open minded thinking was insurrection under the ziosnist tower of lies (it amounts to that conclusion if you read published opinion for a while).

Re: Looking for a real conspiracy?

LudolfVieken — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:49:21 -0000

na ja, suppose one can feel tired after years of reading- writing about aspects from every angle at WTC911 and with no success sofar. Though suppose that very many people everywhere don't believe the official conspiracy theory, that 19 Arab flight students of crop dusters ( like VW-beetle low above the ground) could have steered the airliners into towers and Pentagramm and send by the old man in the cave? who has dissapeared?
And early already some wrote about remote control of the planes. Could be that and in addition nano thermite placed inside the buildings.. that makes the demolition succeed..
like lobro pointed out that "expert" Leslie E. Robertson sounds like a post Elie Wieselian poetaster echoing the falsity of politics in our post modern time - like sort of peace maker Ol bama.. the remnants of culture are dragged to a Zionist neocon junkyard (the yew dominated media unreality). Ignorance it is, that makes tired! ignorance of the employed politicians, the media celebrities, the bankers.. that dont give a penny for what you think.

Re: Info wars

LudolfVieken — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:31:42 -0000

Just to relate the 911 event to the world -it isn't so that all can be blamed on Jews,. There are in those former countries of the West existing an establishment of employees and politicians for them honor is no value. They support (and are paid for that 30 silver-coins) for example - Iraq war, neocon- lies and occupation as well as the zionist cruelty in Palestine, the banker's global wars, while at the same time they lie about human rights, democracy and so on and on, and blame the Germans/ Nazis for all evil in their daily exculpatory ceremony. Destroying culture and human value in service of mammon. And that is not a computer action game. Our generation can watch human history being dragged to the junk yard.
regards fritz

Re: Tricksters

LudolfVieken — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:52:59 -0000

(aletho links to this chronology:)
http://projects.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/
False Pretenses
Following 9/11, President Bush and seven top officials of his administration waged a carefully orchestrated campaign of misinformation about the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
good, but thats the perps on the surface, "the spokesmen".. little doubt, that the neocons wrote the speeches & ideas and others more in power, real interests (money), gave the orders...

Re: Tricksters

LudolfVieken — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:59:36 -0000

--big picture, that September 11 was really a successful military coup d'etat...
and why, what would the military get by that? so colonel Xy is speaking: "From now on, fellow Amuricans the news will be red by speakers in uneform and daily-sopp supplied by the marines.. "
but that leaves out the neocon thinktank creatures and Silverstein and others and the continuously disappearing billions..
found this article now accidentally: - nothing new, but the results, if that had been a military coup, make no sense (cui bono)
The degradation of America's military is taking a toll on service members and their families. Despite claims about keeping America safe, a morally corrupted military also endangers America.
http://alethonews.blogspot....

Re: End gaming

LudolfVieken — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:41:06 -0000

you really have to wonder what the Jewish end game is planned to be...
they, - when most Jews support Neo- Zion it is justified to name them so, - are not able to think so far, - not? Behind their 6 or 8 meter height of concrete wall they are hidden with their greed, false claims, with their hate and revenge for invented things they think they had to suffer from outside, and that means humans. therefore all the gold of the world belongs to them.. And that idiocy is driving them to continue their war against humans.. that wall in Palestine is concrete ignorance.. and as sometimes can be heard, even the normal israelis and their children are exercising that ignorance all day. Palestinians for them are terrists and bad, don't exist as living beings.
This is the limit of "Jewish" intelligence. Not a little bit of fellow feeling. Of course generally speaking, with exceptions. but in israel this psychology seems to be total.
and clear enough " they" and the shabbat consumists are believing their own lies, think the media industry of western countries they have bought and paid for with paper bills from las vegas. make their arrogant selves believe, the advertisment tastes better than the junk-burger ?. while millions of humans are starving?
only that one day, God will put an end to it, as people with an inherited rest of human intelligence surely know...
regards, fritz.

Re: Glittering wastes of time

LudolfVieken — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:03:59 -0000

just found there at Xympho's links, new details
(myself don't know much about the persons there - how reliable, but it looks like the official version is bad)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/message...

9/11 Smoking Gun Proves Flight 93 radio transmissions were faked
and
Military excercises.
On 9-11-01 several war games were taking place
Operation Vigilant Guardian, began a week before September 11 and was a hijacking of a civilian airliner drill, not a cold war exercise

The US military conducts Amalgam Virgo 01, a multi-agency live-fly homeland security exercise sponsored by the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) and involving the hypothetical scenario of a cruise missile being launched by "a rogue [government] or somebody" from a barge off the East Coast.
.At least one exercise involved A REAL shoot-down of a simulated hijack that must have been remotely piloted.
Vigilant Warrior 9/11 happened in the middle of this exercise/war game The Joint Chiefs of Staff (Richard B. Myers) and NORAD were conducting a joint, live-fly, hijack exercise which involved at least one aircraft under US control that was posing as a hijacked airliner"

but not as Xymph is reasoning: that in case Norad was involved, then finance and Silverstein were excluded from the suspects !
The military could not be directed or tricked by other political or financial interests (e.g.Zionists/Neocon?)?
anyhow, t.e., I think looked at from any side, there is no official explanation of things, not only 911, that is realistic.. obvious that politics these days is revolving around finance, and not any other value that used to be, for them values are words, propaganda in the age of media and toys..
t.e. -changed my name to ludolf for a while, regards, fritz

Re: Glittering wastes of time

LudolfVieken — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:20:46 -0000

Yet, it seems, ironically, that it's the Zionist who never profess to forget!
this was a good one (reminder) , t.e. - (hope you do well) - and the Balfour declaration was an openly zionist thing already.. and the history of the 20 st century -wars, the interests behind their origins.. and another fact, I think Ken H. repeated, that Iraq had nothing to do with 911 and this war is a violation on of international laws.. So, for that they have some justification, I once read a bit, that no one can follow in its up and downturns of reasons and UN declarations.
And that aggression by the neocons, probably is out of discussion in the media. . still.

Re: The Jewish Final Solution

LudolfVieken — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:58:03 -0000

yes they protect a fiction of history, a tower of falsifications paid by taxpayer.
some good articles about expulsion of Germans (14/15Millions) in 1945 ff. in English and German in the archive of http://www.read-all-about-it.org/
usually all that is justified with the war-guilt of Hitler or the Germans often, that they had wanted the war, but researching the causes for WW-2, the war had many fathers, not the least the dictate of Versailles and the British guaranty to Poland, and definitely Stalin was about marched up in 1941 with 3-/5-/7- times military overpower to over-roll Europe. And all these facts have a connection with the fate of the Palestinians.

Re: The Jewish Final Solution

LudolfVieken — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:29:58 -0000

True what Xymph sums up - all these years ongoing imprisonment and murder of the people of Palestine - the Zionists justifications as "self-defense" e.g. against suicide bombers (remember) also as a model for the "war on terror" actually. And the question, why western "civilized" people tolerate this, it is schizophrenic.....
And to illustrate, what Xeno tells about those "centers for political education" (I didn't even know that, not into politics) but there are a mass of web-sites, celebrations, demonstrations, speeches by all leading politicians as mental slaves to the Zionist logic and lies...
Only that it is probably not so real on the street, not so big as the propaganda shows, - but if you wonder, why there is no critique in the media and politics or at least standing to the declaration of human rights of life, home, self-determination and truth.... -.. and the truth of the German History also?
And persons sign the pamphlets of the Deutsch-Israel Society, from the "Left" party, the Social Democrats (SPD), and CDU party, labor unions, the Young socialists, the Green party (that was not so 20 -30 years ago before Joschka Fisher's betrayal) and the infamous Anti-Fa(..scists), that are the hooligans for Zions by now. (how times have shifted and turned all that).
list of names (2003)
http://www.digberlin.de/SEITE/aufruf-al-quds.php
(2008)
http://www.digberlin.de/SEITE/alquds_2008.php
and that one: "Berlin congratulating Israel to 60. anniversary"
http://www.digberlin.de/SEITE/60jahre_gendarmen...
but everyone knows how they take photographs, making it appear a mass of people, when there are only a few. It nevertheless is the political establishment dancing to the tune of the Zionist shrill-pipers, and conservatives and patriots are defamed in a free society.
(in the US it is different, since misled patriots support NeoConWars).

Re: The Jewish Final Solution

LudolfVieken — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:07:50 -0000

and credit to the 5dancing shlomos (comments on "No freeze, Nov.3.), who actually found the reports guided by sympathy for the Pals.
The letters to the UN - by Dr. Riyad Mansour
Ambassador, Permanent Observer
of Palestine to the United Nations
Peter Eyre
Part 1: White Phosphorus and Flechettes
http://www.uruknet.info/index.php?p=m59548&hd=&...
Part 2 – DIME and Uranium Weapons
http://www.uruknet.info/index.php?p=m59551&hd=&...

It was a few years ago, a couple of times, professor Farhat-Naser told a group of protestants, based in Brandenburg, that organizes a school in Palestine and help to, but not exclusively, christian Pals, and visits to the holy land (quite moderate)- she explained the situation. the concrete wall. checkpoints, the Westbank cut into cages and inside of them more cages. And she mentioned that much weapons came into Gaza.
That was some foreboding.. and now it has become worse and worse and worse.
If the Zionists did not want Gaza, they could have excluded Gaza from their Israel, opened the border to Egypt and the sea-way.
But no, they closed the people of Gaza in, with the help of the boss of Egypt, forgot the name. That is insanity - the imprisonment of Palestinian people for to strangle them.

In the background there is a sympathy for the Pals, that comes from the fate of Germans that were expelled, with murder and rape, starvation and c.camps, from their homelands, in 1945, Eastern Prussia, Silesia and Sudetenland and others. And many, who were socialists in 68/70, and elders, had this sympathy, not only extremist Bader-Meinhof, Mahler group.

Re: Give that man a contract

LudolfVieken — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:02:50 -0000

Killing the Palestinian people - There's more than Goldstone says: In 2005, Sharon has ordered the Israeli settlements in Gaza to be evacuated -Arnon Scoffer, Geography department of the University of Haifa, reported that Arabs will outnumber Jews in Israel and the occupied territories from about 2010 onwards. He is a lecturer at Israeli army’s Staff and Command College and has influenced has influenced Benjamin Netanyahu, Ehud Barak and hundreds of other Israeli political, military and economic leaders in recent years. In February 2001, on the night of his election as prime minister, Ariel Sharon even sent an aide to ask Soffer for a copy of his original 1987 pamphlet about the demographic threats to Israel.
Israel has used Depleted Uranium munition on Gaza during it's recent operation, and in one year the number of birth deformities witnessed has already risen by 50%.
the Israel army fired no less than 75 ton on this tiny overpopulated strip of land according to a recent study. http://english.pnn.ps/index.php?option=com_cont...
and letters to the UN - by Dr. Riyad Mansour Ambassador, Permanent Observer of Palestine to the United Nations (what Goldstone doesn't mention) (Part 2 – DIME and Uranium Weapons) http://www.uruknet.info/index.php?p=m59551&hd=&...
and (toward the end of the article)
http://davidrothscum.blogspot.com/2009/10/ethni...
"In light of Israel's widespread use of Depleted Uranium in Gaza, the name that the Israeli military gave this operation, "Cast Lead" gains a whole new meaning. If the effects of this "cast lead" that Israel fired upon the Gaza strip turn out to as horrible as they are in Fallujah."

In 1982, Oded Yinon, an official from the Israeli Foreign Affairs office, wrote: "To dissolve Iraq is even more important for us than dissolving Syria. In the short term, it's Iraqi power that constitutes the greatest threat to Israel. The Iran-Iraq war tore Iraq apart and provoked its downfall. All manner of inter-Arab conflict help us and accelerate our goal of breaking up Iraq into small, diverse pieces."
then cancer, birth-deformities, dieing, - in Gaza, the Balkans, Afghanistan, Iraq (in the 1st Gulf war admittedly used 340 ton of Depleted Uranium).

Re: Flu

LudolfVieken — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:46:09 -0000

.. Moshe claimed that Baxter's laboratory in the Ukraine out of all places was creating this biological weapon. and this was in August, 2 month before the flu outbreak. Don't know the reason why he claimed this, but bio-war has a long history. (in case it is more serious, Cal Dalton, tell us).
The article at rense is a D.Rothscum report, another there lists more possibilities: profit on vaccines, vaccine researched to cause cancer and brain damage...
Has Baxter International released a biological weapon?
http://davidrothscum.blogsp...
History of vaccination as method of biological warfare
http://davidrothscum.blogsp...

transfer of comments:
Ukrainian girl said...
81 people died this far. (((
As for the "so different compared to the rest of the world" haha I don't think it's true. The situation is not THAT different... We're gonna have president election soon. And our goverment speculate this problem and exaggerate it as much as possible to cause panic - so people will not be able to THINK and will be easily manipulated

Re: Flu

LudolfVieken — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:04:02 -0000

President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko said that the problem around the so-called. "Swine" influenza emerged in connection with the panic created artificially, and including, provoked by the manufacturers of drugs http://www.realt5000.com.ua...
via: theflucase ... This is a rough translation:
Panic over swine flu created artificially --booga booga 2009-11-06 ---

"This flu, even pig - is not the plague and cholera, it is curable," - said Lukashenko, on 5 November in Kiev ... "I know what is happening in this superkorrumpirovannoy, gangster production environmentdrugs "- the Belarusian president said.

"More recently talked about the" bird "flu. Probably all already sold (drugs -" BUSINESS "). Today squeaked in pig. And tomorrow, probably, purr or zamychim?" -

He urged people not to succumb to panic "and paid tribute to the doctors. "Theydoubly fellows. Medics have to contend not only with the disease itself, but Christmas shopping,... "

In turn, the Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko assured: "We will cope with these problems." He noted a complete mutual understanding with the Belarusian side on all issues relating to counterepidemic.

only to add, as just someone told me in our town, far from Ukraine, in all schools were cases of pig-floo but nothing in the peppers. Don't know, but doesn't appear more than a flu season? with additional panic sales of vaccine.

Re: Flu

LudolfVieken — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:21:39 -0000

yes, probably swine flu fear is unlashed to sell the vaccines.
While vaccines usedto improve health of a society (though many don't think in terms of being responsible anymore, as Xymphora says it is so) there are doubts now more and more, - but in cases like polio (infantile paralysis) it was beneficial, no?

(Jane Burgermeisters' site) http://theflucase.com/
The World Health Organisation on Thursday urged people not to drop their guard over the swine flu pandemic and insisted on the value of vaccination despite the broadly mild symptoms of the virus
http://theflucase.com/index...

The vaccine by Baxter is suspicious stuff..

Has Baxter International released a biological weapon?
http://theflucase.com/index...

Joseph Moshe (MOSSAD Microbiologist): “Swine flu vaccine is bioweapon”
Friday, August 21, 2009
http://www.unfictional.com/...

He accused Baxter to have produced a bioweapon, was arrested and left to Israel. But it can be so, only that it was for the reason to sell the vaccine worldwide, and to instigate a panic to distract from the Wall-street and London gangsters' ongoing ripping off the taxpayers and economies.
...................

Now- "autism" isn't it a newly defined disorder? could come from the kids watching TV passively and tip tip on the button of E-games only. Some gymnastics and more moving around, nature can help, singing, playing music on an instrument.

Re: No freeze

LudolfVieken — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:54:57 -0000

there they are - links to the letters to the UN - by Dr. Riyad Mansour
Ambassador, Permanent Observer
of Palestine to the United Nations

http://www.uruknet.info/?qu...
Did Richard Goldstone hide more sinister crimes in Gaza? - Part 1: White Phosphorus and Flechettes
Peter Eyre
Part 2 – DIME and Uranium Weapons
Goldstone brushed aside the use of White Phosphorus and Flechette weapons and only touched briefly on DIME weapons. He totally ignored weapons containing Uranium components such as the four weapons shown in this photograph.

So let's look at DIME (Dense Inert Metal Explosive) and how it works:

DIME bombs produce an unusually powerful blast within a relatively small area, spraying a superheated "micro-shrapnel" of powdered Heavy Metal Tungsten Alloy (HMTA). Scientific studies have found that HMTA is chemically toxic, damages the immune system, rapidly causes cancer, and attacks DNA. It cuts through victims with ease and for those lucky enough to survive such an attack the outlook is fairly grim. The fragments from such a weapon once embedded in the flesh of its victim will lead to cancer and can result in death as early as three months.
I also advised them of the samples that had been recovered from Gaza for Prof Chris Busby and that had tested positive to both DU/EU with a clear indication of fourth generation dirty weapons.

We are already seeing the signs of such contamination in the birth defects of newly born babies in the Gaza Strip - Sound familiar? It is clear that Gaza will succumb to the same genetic damage as in the Balkans, Iraq and now Afghanistan. We can now expect significant changes in the health statistics in Gaza and when this occurs will anyone ask the question "What is causing this"?

contamiantion spreading

Israel presses campaign against UN Gaza report
AFP http://www.uruknet.info/ind...
"There is nothing more cynical than this report, which comes from countries known for their violations of human rights," Israel's Deputy Defence Minister Matan Vilnai told military radio.

"Our army is the most moral in the world," he said, adding that Israel's military "will continue to apply its own criteria, regardless of any report."

Re: Saving American secrets from the Jews

LudolfVieken — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:42:16 -0000

thanks, kei&yuri, to mention this book - haven't read it yet but loaded it (not so easy) down from Pogonowski's website. (Richard Pipes wrote the foreword but further it looks like good info on history)
http://www.pogonowski.com/m...
As I get it from other articles by him, he is a typical Polish nationalist, maybe objective telling Polish- Jewish history until 1916 (?). But then, he does ignore the cruelty and injustice the new Polish state after Versailles did to the new minorities, against Lithuanians, Ukrainians, Jews (hundreds of thousands fled) and Germans (1 million had to flee). . and the role of the Poles in driving to WW-2.. ignores completely. (But he may be good in telling Polish Jewish history until then).
example
http://www.pacwashmetrodiv....
Iwo Cyprian Pogonowski - Presented at the Panel “Jedwabne – A Scientific Analysis” Polish Institute of Arts and Sciences in America, Inc. Annual Meeting, June 8, 2002 - Georgetown University, Washington DC
The great heroic deeds of Poland of the 20th century benefited the entire world. Such was the derailing of Lenin's world revolution based on the Moscow- Berlin axis in 1920 as well as derailing of Hitler's strategy for domination of the entire world in 1939. Poland's heroism lived on in the wartime combat of Polish soldiers...
..........
In the 2001 investigation by the Polish government bodies of the victims of the July 10, 1941 massacre were found buried in the graves #1 and #2. Thorough search and drilling some 170 test cores in the vicinity found no other graves of the 1941 massacre of the Jews in Jedwabne; however, at the request of an Orthodox Rabbi who objected, rigorous forensic studies and full exhumation of all victims and the determination by autopsy of causes of death of every one of them was prematurely terminated. Thus, only an approximate number of victims could be estimated by the size of the two graves. Unfortunately these unanswered questions inevitably discredit the veracity of the final report of the official investigation by the Polish government's agency, the Institute of National Memory (IPN).

so this execution, a famous one, of 300 Jews is not proved, as he also deplores. And other massacres are blamed by the Bolshevics on the Germans, by Poles on (Jewish) Bolshevics... if you sscroogle "Pogonowski Jews in Poland", you arrive at a wasps' nest of conflicting views and accusing.
There is no objective view on history today. very difficult. But interesting, the history of Polish Jews, also here: -

Holocaust and Holodomor, by Nicholas Lysson - http://one-state.net/lysson... -
Chaim Bermant, The Jews, p. 26 (1977): . . . [I]f the nobility were. . . the ultimate exploiters, the Jews were the visible ones and aroused the most immediate hostility. Rabbis warned that Jews were sowing a terrible harvest of hatred, but while the revenues rolled in the warnings were ignored. Moreover, the rabbis themselves were beneficiaries of the system.
Indeed, according to Davies (p. 444) the oppressiveness of the Jews as arendars "provided the most important single cause of the terrible retribution that would descend on them on several occasions in the future."
.....Jewish tax-farming can be traced back to the earliest times, and has sometimes involved copious use of deadly force. See Flavius Josephus,....
Shahak, in Three Thousand Years, ch. 4, says Jewish "hatred and contempt" for peasants— "a hatred of which I know no parallel in other societies"—can be traced back to the great Ukrainian uprising of 1648-54, in which tens of thousands of "the accursed Jews" (to quote the Ukrainian leader Bohdan Khmelnytsky) were killed.
The Jews of that time served the Polish szlachta (nobility) and clergy on their Ukrainian latifundia as arendars—toll-, rent- and tax-farmers, enforcers of corvee obligations, licensees of feudal monopolies (e.g., on banking, milling, storekeeping, and distillation and sale of alcohol), and in general as anti-Christian scourges who even collected tithes at the doors of churches and exacted fees to open those doors for weddings, christenings and funerals. They had life and death powers over the local population, and no law above them to which that population had recourse. See, e.g., Norman Davies, God’s Playground: A History of Poland, v. 1, p. 444 (Oxford University Press, 1982); and Iwo Cyprian Pogonowski, Jews in Poland, pp. 68-79, 283 (1993).

Shahak (Three Thousand Years, ch. 4) says "the full weight of the Jewish religious laws against gentiles fell upon the peasants." As to the nature of those laws, see id., ch. 5, esp. under the heading "Abuse." Subtelny (pp. 123-38) says, like Davies and Pogonowski, that the arendars leased estates for terms of only two or three years and had every incentive to wring the peasantry without regard to long-term consequences. According to Chaim Bermant, The Jews, p. 26 (1977):
. . . [I]f the nobility were. . . the ultimate exploiters, the Jews were the visible ones and aroused the most immediate hostility. Rabbis warned that Jews were sowing a terrible harvest of hatred, but while the revenues rolled in the warnings were ignored. Moreover, the rabbis themselves were beneficiaries of the system. ...

and another blog of today

How to get Jewish Property back in Poland, for those who want it July 18, 2005
Posted by rabbiyonah http://rabbiyonah.wordpress...

so this and that - apology for long quotations.

Re: Saving American secrets from the Jews

LudolfVieken — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:44:38 -0000

More ugly secrets they share

Cluster Bomb Trade Founded By World's Biggest Banks - (from the guardian)
http://alethonews.blogspot....

The deadly trade in cluster bombs is funded by the world's biggest banks who have loaned or arranged finance worth $20bn (£12.5bn) to firms producing the controversial weapons, despite growing international efforts to ban them.

HSBC led by ordained Anglican priest Stephen Green, has profited more than any other institution from companies that manufacture cluster bombs. The British bank, based at Canary Wharf, has earned a total of £657.3m in fees arranging bonds and share offerings for Textron, which makes cluster munitions described by the US company as "leaving a clean battlefield".

Campaigners maintain the deadly weapons can explode years after combat, killing or maiming innocent people.

HSBC will face protests outside its London headquarters today. Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, JP Morgan and UK-based Barclays Bank are also named among the worst banks in a detailed 126-page report by Dutch and Belgian campaign groups IKV Pax Christi and Netwerk Vlaanderen.

Goldman Sachs, the US bank which made £3.19bn proft in just three months, earned $588.82m for bank services and lent $250m to Alliant Techsystems and Textron.