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Re: The Lewin Group’s State Analysis of the July 15 Draft of the American Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009

BruSays — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:35:13 -0000

Please, they are certainly close enough to arrive at the conclusions as stated. Statistical variation isn't going to move us from 37 to 7 any more likely than from 37 to 57. They've crucial value is comparative and your attempt to discredit them is a smoke-screen.

Re: The Lewin Group’s State Analysis of the July 15 Draft of the American Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009

BruSays — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:05:52 -0000

Voice of Reasoing...
Please don't attempt to clarify and enlighten some others on this blog with facts, statistics, real-case situations, and cite other nations' past successes. For one, they won't and can't counter those specific facts and statistics because they lose so completely with them. Instead, they have to throw in the typical scare tactics and make up the purported failures of anything tax payer supported.

(I'm still waiting to read of the horrors and complete failure of our police protection, fire protection, Interstate Highway program, street cleaning programs, traffic light operations, FAA, 90% of our airports, and other tax payer funded, obscenely broken systems.)

Re: The Lewin Group’s State Analysis of the July 15 Draft of the American Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009

BruSays — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:54:39 -0000

Markinboston...bobbyhawk is plant.

Re: The Lewin Group’s State Analysis of the July 15 Draft of the American Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009

BruSays — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:53:42 -0000

Nathan....bobbyhawk is a plant.

Re: The Lewin Group’s State Analysis of the July 15 Draft of the American Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009

BruSays — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:52:56 -0000

awunsch...please cut with the crap on "You may like that system (then go to those nations and live." That's Third Grade dialog. And if you've heard enough about other nations' successful Single Payer programs, then perhaps you've heard also about these STATISTICAL FACTS: They're infant mortality figures are lower than ours and their life expectancies are longer than ours. Those two factors alone would be enough to make a Third Grader pause and wonder, "Hey, maybe they're onto something." And in 2000, the World Health Organization (WHO) ranked the United States at 37 (after Costa Rica and before Slovenia) in health care. Pull this up: http://www.photius.com/rank...

So you're "if you get seriously ill...." is a load of crap. They're stories, not fact.

And finally, illegal immigrants ARE NOT covered in any of the proposed bills. Where do you guys get this stuff? You make it up? Oh, that's right, I forgot. You're buying the misinformation put out there by the private health care corporations and pharmaceuticals.

Re: The Lewin Group’s State Analysis of the July 15 Draft of the American Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009

BruSays — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:41:36 -0000

Bobbyhawk,

Please cite the exact text in any of the 5 versions of health care bills that states the commissioner can refuse to insure any individual it wants based solely on costs. And while you're working on that, please enlighten us all and list the private health care companies which accept everyone and anyone, regardless of pre-conditions, regardless of age or health, regardless of ability to pay. And let's end the myth that Medicare and Medicaid are doomed. They're not. You're uninformed and repeating back the BS the insurance companies (of which the Lewin Group is part of) are planting.

That we cannot adopt a universal, Single Payer health care system like virtually EVERY INDUSTRIALIZED NATION ON EARTH has is ludicrous. The reason we can't is the money being put out by the health care corporations and pharmaceutical companies who are deliberately ginning up the works and putting out absurd scare tactics - and you're swallowing it all, hook, line and sinker.

Re: The Lewin Group’s State Analysis of the July 15 Draft of the American Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009

BruSays — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:28:42 -0000

And another thing!! What's with this BS about "the government wants to centralize decisions in Washington." Again, a lie tactic pushed by the corporate health industry. Can anyone out there who's on Medicare describe their problems with "Washington" on receiving their heart operation or their meds or their walker? But you can be darn sure we ALL have our stories about our doctors having to argue with our insurance company or check first with our insurance company or having to finagle a way to get something covered by our insurance company, or something being denied coverage by our insurance company. Ask any doctor about their hellish stories on dealing with not one (centralized) but a dozen (still centralized) inusrance companies. And ask your doctor about how much fun it is for them to send paperwaork to all these different companies.

And here's some fun homework to do: investigate how much the CEOs, upper management, middle-level management, and the lower-level mangagement (the ones who deny coverage for this or for that) earn each year at your health insurance company.

Re: The Lewin Group’s State Analysis of the July 15 Draft of the American Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009

BruSays — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:17:57 -0000

And just what, what in the world is wrong with Single Payer? Drinking too much of the "socialized medicine" the corporate health care industry is feeding you? Were Americans provided the facts, were Americans shown the statistics, and were Americans not lied to by corporate health insurance scare tactics, we'd then join the rest of the industrialized world and provide better health care for less money. This isn't a matter of "what if"? The facts are there. Awunsch - you've been duped.

Re: The Lewin Group’s State Analysis of the July 15 Draft of the American Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009

BruSays — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:12:19 -0000

First - It's amazing that anyone would lend significant credance the Lewin Group....owners of health insurance companies themselves. It is much like asking ExxonMobil for their input on energy conservation. They certainly all have opinions let's not kid ourselves where their loyalties lie.

Second, let's look at VIRTUALLY EVERY INDUSTRIAL NATION IN THE WORLD and see what they have. Germany, Italy, France, Canada, Norway, Sweden, Japan, Spain, Portugal, Denmark....all have Single Payer programs and all have less expensive health care, universal heatlh care, and all have higher life expectancies and lower infant mortality rates.

Third, let's follow the money. Congressmen (on both sides of the aisle), so-called "grass-roots" groups, the Lewin Group, health insurance corporations, pharmaceutical corporations - ALL are in this for the money. Either their jobs depend on the status quo or their campaign financing depends on the status quo. When are we going to wake up and realize we are being DUPED by these heavily-funded corporations who are playing you like a fiddle! Everybody...please, dig a little deeper and learn for yourself that Single Payer will cost less. We don't have to guess about this; we just need to look around the world!